Chuck

I've done the "Nutter" - it is very sweet and easy. The power is seat of the
pants noticeable. You can hide the wires easy. Definitely 2 thumbs up.

We don't have to have things stuffed up our tail in Missouri (yet).
Chuck


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
> Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a Jeep
> with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
> emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I think to
> put the directions online:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
>
> It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy' 10
> mph extra per gear.
>
> The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
> have to be too far back to pass.
>
> The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the ASM
> 2525 test I was told.
>
> I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7 that
> I
> disabled the computer in.
>
> Specs.
>
> - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
> - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
> - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
> - No computer, 'Nuttered'
> - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the book
> says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting of
> full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg. BTDC
> base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
> there.)
> - 92 octane ESSO gas.
> - Ported on the timing advance
> - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
> rebuild kit for the test.
> - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
> - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
> - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
>
> On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
> And 16 ppm HC
>
> And 0.11% CO
>
> Photo of the papers here:
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
> And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> paperwork.
>
> Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just the
> only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to
> pass that.
>
> And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need! It
> becomes too old before the next one.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

I find it 'really easy to do and have successfully done a bunch of them
to pass here in Canada.

A carb kit is only $20.00 and does them wonders!.

Mike

u know who wrote:
>
> ya easy to pass when fuel injected.
> try to pass with a carb....near impossible or impossibile to drive to set
> the carb so out of limits then it isn't driveable.
>
> "Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xp6dnfvQ0INGVv3fRVn-1A@rogers.com...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>
> >> On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >>
> >> And 16 ppm HC
> >>
> >> And 0.11% CO
> >>
> >
> >
> > Extortion test... love that one Mike!
> >
> > My numbers ('92 XJ 4L)
> >
> > (Limit/Reading)
> > ASM252
> > HC ppm 55 / 11
> > CO% 0.31 / 0.17
> > NO ppm 780 / 55
> >
> > Curb Idle
> > HC ppm 200 / 7
> > CO% 1.00 / 0.33
> >
> > -Brian
> >

Mike Romain

I find it 'really easy to do and have successfully done a bunch of them
to pass here in Canada.

A carb kit is only $20.00 and does them wonders!.

Mike

u know who wrote:
>
> ya easy to pass when fuel injected.
> try to pass with a carb....near impossible or impossibile to drive to set
> the carb so out of limits then it isn't driveable.
>
> "Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xp6dnfvQ0INGVv3fRVn-1A@rogers.com...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>
> >> On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >>
> >> And 16 ppm HC
> >>
> >> And 0.11% CO
> >>
> >
> >
> > Extortion test... love that one Mike!
> >
> > My numbers ('92 XJ 4L)
> >
> > (Limit/Reading)
> > ASM252
> > HC ppm 55 / 11
> > CO% 0.31 / 0.17
> > NO ppm 780 / 55
> >
> > Curb Idle
> > HC ppm 200 / 7
> > CO% 1.00 / 0.33
> >
> > -Brian
> >

Mike Romain

I find it 'really easy to do and have successfully done a bunch of them
to pass here in Canada.

A carb kit is only $20.00 and does them wonders!.

Mike

u know who wrote:
>
> ya easy to pass when fuel injected.
> try to pass with a carb....near impossible or impossibile to drive to set
> the carb so out of limits then it isn't driveable.
>
> "Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xp6dnfvQ0INGVv3fRVn-1A@rogers.com...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>
> >> On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >>
> >> And 16 ppm HC
> >>
> >> And 0.11% CO
> >>
> >
> >
> > Extortion test... love that one Mike!
> >
> > My numbers ('92 XJ 4L)
> >
> > (Limit/Reading)
> > ASM252
> > HC ppm 55 / 11
> > CO% 0.31 / 0.17
> > NO ppm 780 / 55
> >
> > Curb Idle
> > HC ppm 200 / 7
> > CO% 1.00 / 0.33
> >
> > -Brian
> >

Mike Romain

I find it 'really easy to do and have successfully done a bunch of them
to pass here in Canada.

A carb kit is only $20.00 and does them wonders!.

Mike

u know who wrote:
>
> ya easy to pass when fuel injected.
> try to pass with a carb....near impossible or impossibile to drive to set
> the carb so out of limits then it isn't driveable.
>
> "Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xp6dnfvQ0INGVv3fRVn-1A@rogers.com...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>
> >> On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >>
> >> And 16 ppm HC
> >>
> >> And 0.11% CO
> >>
> >
> >
> > Extortion test... love that one Mike!
> >
> > My numbers ('92 XJ 4L)
> >
> > (Limit/Reading)
> > ASM252
> > HC ppm 55 / 11
> > CO% 0.31 / 0.17
> > NO ppm 780 / 55
> >
> > Curb Idle
> > HC ppm 200 / 7
> > CO% 1.00 / 0.33
> >
> > -Brian
> >

Mike Romain

You need to be really careful there.

That 'extortion' money is only valid if you pay it to the garage, doing
the work yourself doesn't/didn't count and even with receipts might not
work. It didn't work when I first tried it on my Cherokee that failed.
Turns out mine was under O2 recall, so once they did that the Cherokee
passed.

I would 'not' add any cleaner like acetone to the fuel system. That can
put tons of crud into the gas that can take weeks to get burned through
and will likely set the sniffer off.

Oh you also will get your next test for free!

Because they put the wrong engine down, the test was not valid and they
still owe you for the test you paid for. Really, this has happened to
friends before, just take back in the paperwork.

Mike

u know who wrote:
>
> ya extortion test that's a good name for it.
> it appears my egr is broken as the swivel vacuum nipple seems to be bent and
> the housing of where the vacuum nipple sits is cracked and broken.
>
> I'm going to pay for the diagnostics test then take the recommendations and
> do the work myself and keep a folder with receipts. then take it back for
> the retest once I hit my limit. and also at that point I will have my new
> egr and whatever else they recommend as well as my nutter bypass and 3
> ounces of acetone added to the fuel.
>
> On my e test they put that I have a 4.0L.
> On my asm2525 test my NO ppm was 3677 timing was way to advanced limit was
> 893. And curb idle test HC ppm was 325 limit was 200.reason idle to high and
> mixture screws set to rich. also CO% was 1.03 missed a pass by .04
>
> well at least I can assume that I should pass next time as the jeep was so
> out of tune. reason for being out of tune I found a bad vacuum leak and
> never adjusted the carb to reflect the stopped vacuum leak.
>
> been so long since I played with a carbed equipped veh. and the fact that it
> is also computer controlled sucks. which basically means that some of my
> adjustment can be over ruled by the computer.
>
> alwell
>
> keep fingers crossed for Tuesday. diagnostic day.
> the retest down the road.
> not so bad cause ministry issued me real plates even though it was a resale
> change of ownership. so theoretically I don't require a test till my plate
> renewal.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42607229.7E0A03D7@sympatico.ca...
> > Oh, you can usually clean the EGR's out. Carbon is an issue and for
> > sure you need one working to pass the sniffer.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > u know who wrote:
> >>
> >> hmmmmm
> >> I read the nutter instructions sounds like this will have to be something
> >> that I will have to do to my 89yj as it will not pass emissions
> >> the sad part is it was recommended that I may need a evap canister guess
> >> what no longer available anywhere.
> >> government sucks
> >>
> >> if I fail then 450$ conditional pass, then 650$ ever 2 years really sucks
> >> I know I still need an egr though.
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:42605772.F0571EA0@sympatico.ca...
> >> > All the junk can be left in place. It only requires 2 new wires from
> >> > the ignition module to the distributor that fit inside the loom.
> >> >
> >> > You then just set the carb mix and timing. That's it!
> >> >
> >> > If you have to put it back, it is only 2 wires to change.....
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> > Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a
> >> >> > Jeep
> >> >> > with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
> >> >> > emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I
> >> >> > think
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > put the directions online:
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem is, in Calif., the system has to physically be installed.
> >> >> I
> >> >> don't know what the bypass entails, but if stuff is removed, then the
> >> >> vehicle fails because of the visual inspection that comes before the
> >> >> sniff
> >> >> test.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is considerable irony here, the bypass can conceivably result in
> >> >> better performance with the sniffer, but because the system hasn't got
> >> >> all
> >> >> of the components, it automatically fails. The vehicle can spit out
> >> >> better
> >> >> numbers, but if the parts are missing, it will fail. Sad - even
> >> >> stupid -
> >> >> but
> >> >> true.
> >> >>
> >> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy'
> >> >> > 10
> >> >> > mph extra per gear.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
> >> >> > have to be too far back to pass.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the
> >> >> > ASM
> >> >> > 2525 test I was told.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > disabled the computer in.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Specs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
> >> >> > - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
> >> >> > - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
> >> >> > - No computer, 'Nuttered'
> >> >> > - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the
> >> >> > book
> >> >> > says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg.
> >> >> > BTDC
> >> >> > base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
> >> >> > there.)
> >> >> > - 92 octane ESSO gas.
> >> >> > - Ported on the timing advance
> >> >> > - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
> >> >> > rebuild kit for the test.
> >> >> > - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
> >> >> > - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
> >> >> > - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And 16 ppm HC
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And 0.11% CO
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Photo of the papers here:
> >> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > paperwork.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > pass that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need!
> >> >> > It
> >> >> > becomes too old before the next one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mike
> >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

You need to be really careful there.

That 'extortion' money is only valid if you pay it to the garage, doing
the work yourself doesn't/didn't count and even with receipts might not
work. It didn't work when I first tried it on my Cherokee that failed.
Turns out mine was under O2 recall, so once they did that the Cherokee
passed.

I would 'not' add any cleaner like acetone to the fuel system. That can
put tons of crud into the gas that can take weeks to get burned through
and will likely set the sniffer off.

Oh you also will get your next test for free!

Because they put the wrong engine down, the test was not valid and they
still owe you for the test you paid for. Really, this has happened to
friends before, just take back in the paperwork.

Mike

u know who wrote:
>
> ya extortion test that's a good name for it.
> it appears my egr is broken as the swivel vacuum nipple seems to be bent and
> the housing of where the vacuum nipple sits is cracked and broken.
>
> I'm going to pay for the diagnostics test then take the recommendations and
> do the work myself and keep a folder with receipts. then take it back for
> the retest once I hit my limit. and also at that point I will have my new
> egr and whatever else they recommend as well as my nutter bypass and 3
> ounces of acetone added to the fuel.
>
> On my e test they put that I have a 4.0L.
> On my asm2525 test my NO ppm was 3677 timing was way to advanced limit was
> 893. And curb idle test HC ppm was 325 limit was 200.reason idle to high and
> mixture screws set to rich. also CO% was 1.03 missed a pass by .04
>
> well at least I can assume that I should pass next time as the jeep was so
> out of tune. reason for being out of tune I found a bad vacuum leak and
> never adjusted the carb to reflect the stopped vacuum leak.
>
> been so long since I played with a carbed equipped veh. and the fact that it
> is also computer controlled sucks. which basically means that some of my
> adjustment can be over ruled by the computer.
>
> alwell
>
> keep fingers crossed for Tuesday. diagnostic day.
> the retest down the road.
> not so bad cause ministry issued me real plates even though it was a resale
> change of ownership. so theoretically I don't require a test till my plate
> renewal.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42607229.7E0A03D7@sympatico.ca...
> > Oh, you can usually clean the EGR's out. Carbon is an issue and for
> > sure you need one working to pass the sniffer.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > u know who wrote:
> >>
> >> hmmmmm
> >> I read the nutter instructions sounds like this will have to be something
> >> that I will have to do to my 89yj as it will not pass emissions
> >> the sad part is it was recommended that I may need a evap canister guess
> >> what no longer available anywhere.
> >> government sucks
> >>
> >> if I fail then 450$ conditional pass, then 650$ ever 2 years really sucks
> >> I know I still need an egr though.
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:42605772.F0571EA0@sympatico.ca...
> >> > All the junk can be left in place. It only requires 2 new wires from
> >> > the ignition module to the distributor that fit inside the loom.
> >> >
> >> > You then just set the carb mix and timing. That's it!
> >> >
> >> > If you have to put it back, it is only 2 wires to change.....
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> > Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a
> >> >> > Jeep
> >> >> > with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
> >> >> > emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I
> >> >> > think
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > put the directions online:
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem is, in Calif., the system has to physically be installed.
> >> >> I
> >> >> don't know what the bypass entails, but if stuff is removed, then the
> >> >> vehicle fails because of the visual inspection that comes before the
> >> >> sniff
> >> >> test.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is considerable irony here, the bypass can conceivably result in
> >> >> better performance with the sniffer, but because the system hasn't got
> >> >> all
> >> >> of the components, it automatically fails. The vehicle can spit out
> >> >> better
> >> >> numbers, but if the parts are missing, it will fail. Sad - even
> >> >> stupid -
> >> >> but
> >> >> true.
> >> >>
> >> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy'
> >> >> > 10
> >> >> > mph extra per gear.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
> >> >> > have to be too far back to pass.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the
> >> >> > ASM
> >> >> > 2525 test I was told.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > disabled the computer in.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Specs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
> >> >> > - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
> >> >> > - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
> >> >> > - No computer, 'Nuttered'
> >> >> > - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the
> >> >> > book
> >> >> > says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg.
> >> >> > BTDC
> >> >> > base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
> >> >> > there.)
> >> >> > - 92 octane ESSO gas.
> >> >> > - Ported on the timing advance
> >> >> > - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
> >> >> > rebuild kit for the test.
> >> >> > - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
> >> >> > - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
> >> >> > - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And 16 ppm HC
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And 0.11% CO
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Photo of the papers here:
> >> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > paperwork.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > pass that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need!
> >> >> > It
> >> >> > becomes too old before the next one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mike
> >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

You need to be really careful there.

That 'extortion' money is only valid if you pay it to the garage, doing
the work yourself doesn't/didn't count and even with receipts might not
work. It didn't work when I first tried it on my Cherokee that failed.
Turns out mine was under O2 recall, so once they did that the Cherokee
passed.

I would 'not' add any cleaner like acetone to the fuel system. That can
put tons of crud into the gas that can take weeks to get burned through
and will likely set the sniffer off.

Oh you also will get your next test for free!

Because they put the wrong engine down, the test was not valid and they
still owe you for the test you paid for. Really, this has happened to
friends before, just take back in the paperwork.

Mike

u know who wrote:
>
> ya extortion test that's a good name for it.
> it appears my egr is broken as the swivel vacuum nipple seems to be bent and
> the housing of where the vacuum nipple sits is cracked and broken.
>
> I'm going to pay for the diagnostics test then take the recommendations and
> do the work myself and keep a folder with receipts. then take it back for
> the retest once I hit my limit. and also at that point I will have my new
> egr and whatever else they recommend as well as my nutter bypass and 3
> ounces of acetone added to the fuel.
>
> On my e test they put that I have a 4.0L.
> On my asm2525 test my NO ppm was 3677 timing was way to advanced limit was
> 893. And curb idle test HC ppm was 325 limit was 200.reason idle to high and
> mixture screws set to rich. also CO% was 1.03 missed a pass by .04
>
> well at least I can assume that I should pass next time as the jeep was so
> out of tune. reason for being out of tune I found a bad vacuum leak and
> never adjusted the carb to reflect the stopped vacuum leak.
>
> been so long since I played with a carbed equipped veh. and the fact that it
> is also computer controlled sucks. which basically means that some of my
> adjustment can be over ruled by the computer.
>
> alwell
>
> keep fingers crossed for Tuesday. diagnostic day.
> the retest down the road.
> not so bad cause ministry issued me real plates even though it was a resale
> change of ownership. so theoretically I don't require a test till my plate
> renewal.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42607229.7E0A03D7@sympatico.ca...
> > Oh, you can usually clean the EGR's out. Carbon is an issue and for
> > sure you need one working to pass the sniffer.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > u know who wrote:
> >>
> >> hmmmmm
> >> I read the nutter instructions sounds like this will have to be something
> >> that I will have to do to my 89yj as it will not pass emissions
> >> the sad part is it was recommended that I may need a evap canister guess
> >> what no longer available anywhere.
> >> government sucks
> >>
> >> if I fail then 450$ conditional pass, then 650$ ever 2 years really sucks
> >> I know I still need an egr though.
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:42605772.F0571EA0@sympatico.ca...
> >> > All the junk can be left in place. It only requires 2 new wires from
> >> > the ignition module to the distributor that fit inside the loom.
> >> >
> >> > You then just set the carb mix and timing. That's it!
> >> >
> >> > If you have to put it back, it is only 2 wires to change.....
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> > Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a
> >> >> > Jeep
> >> >> > with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
> >> >> > emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I
> >> >> > think
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > put the directions online:
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem is, in Calif., the system has to physically be installed.
> >> >> I
> >> >> don't know what the bypass entails, but if stuff is removed, then the
> >> >> vehicle fails because of the visual inspection that comes before the
> >> >> sniff
> >> >> test.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is considerable irony here, the bypass can conceivably result in
> >> >> better performance with the sniffer, but because the system hasn't got
> >> >> all
> >> >> of the components, it automatically fails. The vehicle can spit out
> >> >> better
> >> >> numbers, but if the parts are missing, it will fail. Sad - even
> >> >> stupid -
> >> >> but
> >> >> true.
> >> >>
> >> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy'
> >> >> > 10
> >> >> > mph extra per gear.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
> >> >> > have to be too far back to pass.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the
> >> >> > ASM
> >> >> > 2525 test I was told.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > disabled the computer in.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Specs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
> >> >> > - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
> >> >> > - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
> >> >> > - No computer, 'Nuttered'
> >> >> > - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the
> >> >> > book
> >> >> > says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg.
> >> >> > BTDC
> >> >> > base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
> >> >> > there.)
> >> >> > - 92 octane ESSO gas.
> >> >> > - Ported on the timing advance
> >> >> > - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
> >> >> > rebuild kit for the test.
> >> >> > - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
> >> >> > - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
> >> >> > - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And 16 ppm HC
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And 0.11% CO
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Photo of the papers here:
> >> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > paperwork.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > pass that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need!
> >> >> > It
> >> >> > becomes too old before the next one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mike
> >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

You need to be really careful there.

That 'extortion' money is only valid if you pay it to the garage, doing
the work yourself doesn't/didn't count and even with receipts might not
work. It didn't work when I first tried it on my Cherokee that failed.
Turns out mine was under O2 recall, so once they did that the Cherokee
passed.

I would 'not' add any cleaner like acetone to the fuel system. That can
put tons of crud into the gas that can take weeks to get burned through
and will likely set the sniffer off.

Oh you also will get your next test for free!

Because they put the wrong engine down, the test was not valid and they
still owe you for the test you paid for. Really, this has happened to
friends before, just take back in the paperwork.

Mike

u know who wrote:
>
> ya extortion test that's a good name for it.
> it appears my egr is broken as the swivel vacuum nipple seems to be bent and
> the housing of where the vacuum nipple sits is cracked and broken.
>
> I'm going to pay for the diagnostics test then take the recommendations and
> do the work myself and keep a folder with receipts. then take it back for
> the retest once I hit my limit. and also at that point I will have my new
> egr and whatever else they recommend as well as my nutter bypass and 3
> ounces of acetone added to the fuel.
>
> On my e test they put that I have a 4.0L.
> On my asm2525 test my NO ppm was 3677 timing was way to advanced limit was
> 893. And curb idle test HC ppm was 325 limit was 200.reason idle to high and
> mixture screws set to rich. also CO% was 1.03 missed a pass by .04
>
> well at least I can assume that I should pass next time as the jeep was so
> out of tune. reason for being out of tune I found a bad vacuum leak and
> never adjusted the carb to reflect the stopped vacuum leak.
>
> been so long since I played with a carbed equipped veh. and the fact that it
> is also computer controlled sucks. which basically means that some of my
> adjustment can be over ruled by the computer.
>
> alwell
>
> keep fingers crossed for Tuesday. diagnostic day.
> the retest down the road.
> not so bad cause ministry issued me real plates even though it was a resale
> change of ownership. so theoretically I don't require a test till my plate
> renewal.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42607229.7E0A03D7@sympatico.ca...
> > Oh, you can usually clean the EGR's out. Carbon is an issue and for
> > sure you need one working to pass the sniffer.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > u know who wrote:
> >>
> >> hmmmmm
> >> I read the nutter instructions sounds like this will have to be something
> >> that I will have to do to my 89yj as it will not pass emissions
> >> the sad part is it was recommended that I may need a evap canister guess
> >> what no longer available anywhere.
> >> government sucks
> >>
> >> if I fail then 450$ conditional pass, then 650$ ever 2 years really sucks
> >> I know I still need an egr though.
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:42605772.F0571EA0@sympatico.ca...
> >> > All the junk can be left in place. It only requires 2 new wires from
> >> > the ignition module to the distributor that fit inside the loom.
> >> >
> >> > You then just set the carb mix and timing. That's it!
> >> >
> >> > If you have to put it back, it is only 2 wires to change.....
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> > Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a
> >> >> > Jeep
> >> >> > with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
> >> >> > emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I
> >> >> > think
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > put the directions online:
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem is, in Calif., the system has to physically be installed.
> >> >> I
> >> >> don't know what the bypass entails, but if stuff is removed, then the
> >> >> vehicle fails because of the visual inspection that comes before the
> >> >> sniff
> >> >> test.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is considerable irony here, the bypass can conceivably result in
> >> >> better performance with the sniffer, but because the system hasn't got
> >> >> all
> >> >> of the components, it automatically fails. The vehicle can spit out
> >> >> better
> >> >> numbers, but if the parts are missing, it will fail. Sad - even
> >> >> stupid -
> >> >> but
> >> >> true.
> >> >>
> >> >> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy'
> >> >> > 10
> >> >> > mph extra per gear.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
> >> >> > have to be too far back to pass.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the
> >> >> > ASM
> >> >> > 2525 test I was told.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > disabled the computer in.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Specs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
> >> >> > - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
> >> >> > - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
> >> >> > - No computer, 'Nuttered'
> >> >> > - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the
> >> >> > book
> >> >> > says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg.
> >> >> > BTDC
> >> >> > base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
> >> >> > there.)
> >> >> > - 92 octane ESSO gas.
> >> >> > - Ported on the timing advance
> >> >> > - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
> >> >> > rebuild kit for the test.
> >> >> > - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
> >> >> > - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
> >> >> > - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And 16 ppm HC
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And 0.11% CO
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Photo of the papers here:
> >> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > paperwork.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > pass that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need!
> >> >> > It
> >> >> > becomes too old before the next one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mike
> >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

I don't know what else to call it......

If I flunk emissions, I can give the garage $450.00 for 'repairs' and I
get a pass no matter what the tail pipe says..... The amount is written
right on the test.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >
> > On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >
> > And 16 ppm HC
> >
> > And 0.11% CO
> >
>
> Extortion test... love that one Mike!
>
> My numbers ('92 XJ 4L)
>
> (Limit/Reading)
> ASM252
> HC ppm 55 / 11
> CO% 0.31 / 0.17
> NO ppm 780 / 55
>
> Curb Idle
> HC ppm 200 / 7
> CO% 1.00 / 0.33
>
> -Brian