next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?

all I know is if I run my jeep parked in the same spot there will appear a
black mark on the pavement where the exhaust is.

obviously to rich. lots of carbon.

well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work and
hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see how
that goes by with the shop owner.
that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it is
a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell them
this stuff.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
> Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a Jeep
> with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
> emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I think to
> put the directions online:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
>
> It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy' 10
> mph extra per gear.
>
> The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
> have to be too far back to pass.
>
> The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the ASM
> 2525 test I was told.
>
> I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7 that
> I
> disabled the computer in.
>
> Specs.
>
> - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
> - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
> - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
> - No computer, 'Nuttered'
> - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the book
> says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting of
> full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg. BTDC
> base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
> there.)
> - 92 octane ESSO gas.
> - Ported on the timing advance
> - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
> rebuild kit for the test.
> - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
> - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
> - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
>
> On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
> And 16 ppm HC
>
> And 0.11% CO
>
> Photo of the papers here:
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
> And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> paperwork.
>
> Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just the
> only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to
> pass that.
>
> And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need! It
> becomes too old before the next one.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?

all I know is if I run my jeep parked in the same spot there will appear a
black mark on the pavement where the exhaust is.

obviously to rich. lots of carbon.

well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work and
hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see how
that goes by with the shop owner.
that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it is
a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell them
this stuff.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
> Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a Jeep
> with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
> emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I think to
> put the directions online:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
>
> It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy' 10
> mph extra per gear.
>
> The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
> have to be too far back to pass.
>
> The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the ASM
> 2525 test I was told.
>
> I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7 that
> I
> disabled the computer in.
>
> Specs.
>
> - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
> - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
> - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
> - No computer, 'Nuttered'
> - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the book
> says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting of
> full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg. BTDC
> base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
> there.)
> - 92 octane ESSO gas.
> - Ported on the timing advance
> - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
> rebuild kit for the test.
> - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
> - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
> - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
>
> On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
> And 16 ppm HC
>
> And 0.11% CO
>
> Photo of the papers here:
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
> And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> paperwork.
>
> Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just the
> only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to
> pass that.
>
> And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need! It
> becomes too old before the next one.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?

all I know is if I run my jeep parked in the same spot there will appear a
black mark on the pavement where the exhaust is.

obviously to rich. lots of carbon.

well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work and
hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see how
that goes by with the shop owner.
that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it is
a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell them
this stuff.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:42604598.8FE80D28@sympatico.ca...
> Well after arguing myself blue with a 'mechanic' that says no way a Jeep
> with a carb can pass emissions in California if you disable the
> emissions computer or do a 'Nutter' on it after the first guy I think to
> put the directions online:
>
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/jnutter1.htm
>
> It gives a sweet 25% 'seat of the pants' power boost and an 'easy' 10
> mph extra per gear.
>
> The mechanic's reasoning is the NOx will blow out or the timing will
> have to be too far back to pass.
>
> The Jeep numbers for an 89 YJ 4.2 in California are 875 NOx on the ASM
> 2525 test I was told.
>
> I found my 2003 ASM 2525 emissions papers for my Canadian 1986 CJ7 that
> I
> disabled the computer in.
>
> Specs.
>
> - 1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, Likely 60,000 original miles on it.
> - 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada)
> - 2" straight pipe with a high flow Dynomax turbo muffler.
> - No computer, 'Nuttered'
> - Base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like the book
> says for a non computer engine. (If I go with the higher RPM setting of
> full advance the sticker on a YJ says, I end up with 6 or 7 deg. BTDC
> base and I find that too boggy for power so I even have room to play
> there.)
> - 92 octane ESSO gas.
> - Ported on the timing advance
> - Stock BBD carb set to 'best lean idle' and always a fresh $20.00
> rebuild kit for the test.
> - Accel Supercoil for hot spark with Champion plugs and OEM wires.
> - Strong pull up to 4400 rpm, then falls flat.
> - 11L/100km or something like 23 US mpg highway
>
> On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
> And 16 ppm HC
>
> And 0.11% CO
>
> Photo of the papers here:
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
> And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> paperwork.
>
> Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this 2003 one was just the
> only year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to
> pass that.
>
> And the best part is I have passed the last test it ever will need! It
> becomes too old before the next one.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?

Yep test covers cars 20 yrs to 3 yrs old. so by right this should be the
last test your Jeep will need as it will be 21 yrs old next time the test is
required.


> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work and
> hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
> how that goes by with the shop owner.
> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
> is a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell
> them this stuff.

That's the problem, they have a computer that tells them, too bad the person
who programmed the computer didn't know there might be a difference.

Snow...

 

> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?

Yep test covers cars 20 yrs to 3 yrs old. so by right this should be the
last test your Jeep will need as it will be 21 yrs old next time the test is
required.


> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work and
> hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
> how that goes by with the shop owner.
> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
> is a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell
> them this stuff.

That's the problem, they have a computer that tells them, too bad the person
who programmed the computer didn't know there might be a difference.

Snow...

 

> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?

Yep test covers cars 20 yrs to 3 yrs old. so by right this should be the
last test your Jeep will need as it will be 21 yrs old next time the test is
required.


> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work and
> hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
> how that goes by with the shop owner.
> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
> is a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell
> them this stuff.

That's the problem, they have a computer that tells them, too bad the person
who programmed the computer didn't know there might be a difference.

Snow...

 

> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?

Yep test covers cars 20 yrs to 3 yrs old. so by right this should be the
last test your Jeep will need as it will be 21 yrs old next time the test is
required.


> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work and
> hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
> how that goes by with the shop owner.
> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
> is a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell
> them this stuff.

That's the problem, they have a computer that tells them, too bad the person
who programmed the computer didn't know there might be a difference.

Snow...

 

I think I will have to do one more
in 08
as this test will cover my renewal for 2006 then skips 2007 then 2008
another test.
somehow I got away with not having to have the test done when it transfer
owners they are letting me ride till 2006 plate renewal but I want to get it
done while I have the money....
well time for me to drive it to the garage now

"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:PX59e.5302$Jg5.446005@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
>> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?
>
> Yep test covers cars 20 yrs to 3 yrs old. so by right this should be the
> last test your Jeep will need as it will be 21 yrs old next time the test
> is required.
>
>
>> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work
>> and hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
>> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
>> how that goes by with the shop owner.
>> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
>> is a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell
>> them this stuff.
>
> That's the problem, they have a computer that tells them, too bad the
> person who programmed the computer didn't know there might be a
> difference.
>
> Snow...
>
>

 

I think I will have to do one more
in 08
as this test will cover my renewal for 2006 then skips 2007 then 2008
another test.
somehow I got away with not having to have the test done when it transfer
owners they are letting me ride till 2006 plate renewal but I want to get it
done while I have the money....
well time for me to drive it to the garage now

"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:PX59e.5302$Jg5.446005@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
>> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?
>
> Yep test covers cars 20 yrs to 3 yrs old. so by right this should be the
> last test your Jeep will need as it will be 21 yrs old next time the test
> is required.
>
>
>> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work
>> and hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
>> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
>> how that goes by with the shop owner.
>> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
>> is a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell
>> them this stuff.
>
> That's the problem, they have a computer that tells them, too bad the
> person who programmed the computer didn't know there might be a
> difference.
>
> Snow...
>
>

 

I think I will have to do one more
in 08
as this test will cover my renewal for 2006 then skips 2007 then 2008
another test.
somehow I got away with not having to have the test done when it transfer
owners they are letting me ride till 2006 plate renewal but I want to get it
done while I have the money....
well time for me to drive it to the garage now

"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:PX59e.5302$Jg5.446005@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>> next question it the test start for 86 and on vehicles or does it rotate
>> with time. as in 19 yrs back from the current year?
>
> Yep test covers cars 20 yrs to 3 yrs old. so by right this should be the
> last test your Jeep will need as it will be 21 yrs old next time the test
> is required.
>
>
>> well tomorrow Tuesday is the day.... guess I will let them do the work
>> and hit the cap. sounds like the best idea.
>> but first that free redo on the test as they have my motor as a 4.0L see
>> how that goes by with the shop owner.
>> that is the third mechanic that I have had to fight with when stating it
>> is a 4.2L gesh what is up with mechanics they have computers that tell
>> them this stuff.
>
> That's the problem, they have a computer that tells them, too bad the
> person who programmed the computer didn't know there might be a
> difference.
>
> Snow...
>
>