Mike Romain

Most of those relays are just 'no-name' Bosch ones or I guess that is a
'Bosch style' relay.

If they have the same layout, they work the same.

I like the ground trigger for switching. That way I don't have power
lines running anywhere that could short, just a single tiny 18 or even
22 ga wire running through the firewall.

I run two Hella Black Magic lights each with their own relay with one
push button micro-mini switch on the dash with a button about 1/8" in
size. They are super bright.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Thanks for the link, I didn't know the same relay could be used for
> with a ground trigger, The Radio Shack relays and the relays that came
> with my Silvania fog lights use the same nomenclature.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > The toggle switch will wear out from the full power arc every time it
> > turns on and off. The cheaper the switch, the faster it will wear out.
> >
> > Using a relay means only really low amps pass through the switch greatly
> > extending its life.
> >
> > You also can just run one or two small wires to the switch with a
> > relay. I prefer to just run one wire to my switch and use the switch as
> > a ground signal for the relay trigger.
> >
> > Here is a good site on how to wire them:
> >
> > http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

Most of those relays are just 'no-name' Bosch ones or I guess that is a
'Bosch style' relay.

If they have the same layout, they work the same.

I like the ground trigger for switching. That way I don't have power
lines running anywhere that could short, just a single tiny 18 or even
22 ga wire running through the firewall.

I run two Hella Black Magic lights each with their own relay with one
push button micro-mini switch on the dash with a button about 1/8" in
size. They are super bright.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Thanks for the link, I didn't know the same relay could be used for
> with a ground trigger, The Radio Shack relays and the relays that came
> with my Silvania fog lights use the same nomenclature.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > The toggle switch will wear out from the full power arc every time it
> > turns on and off. The cheaper the switch, the faster it will wear out.
> >
> > Using a relay means only really low amps pass through the switch greatly
> > extending its life.
> >
> > You also can just run one or two small wires to the switch with a
> > relay. I prefer to just run one wire to my switch and use the switch as
> > a ground signal for the relay trigger.
> >
> > Here is a good site on how to wire them:
> >
> > http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

Most of those relays are just 'no-name' Bosch ones or I guess that is a
'Bosch style' relay.

If they have the same layout, they work the same.

I like the ground trigger for switching. That way I don't have power
lines running anywhere that could short, just a single tiny 18 or even
22 ga wire running through the firewall.

I run two Hella Black Magic lights each with their own relay with one
push button micro-mini switch on the dash with a button about 1/8" in
size. They are super bright.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Thanks for the link, I didn't know the same relay could be used for
> with a ground trigger, The Radio Shack relays and the relays that came
> with my Silvania fog lights use the same nomenclature.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > The toggle switch will wear out from the full power arc every time it
> > turns on and off. The cheaper the switch, the faster it will wear out.
> >
> > Using a relay means only really low amps pass through the switch greatly
> > extending its life.
> >
> > You also can just run one or two small wires to the switch with a
> > relay. I prefer to just run one wire to my switch and use the switch as
> > a ground signal for the relay trigger.
> >
> > Here is a good site on how to wire them:
> >
> > http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Kevin

Mike Romain wrote:
> Kevin wrote:
>
>>
>> What is the purpose of using relays for fog lights. A relay came with
>>my KC's but I did not use it. I went straight from the battery to the
>>lights, breaking the hot side with a toggle switch.
>
>
> The toggle switch will wear out from the full power arc every time it
> turns on and off. The cheaper the switch, the faster it will wear out.
>
> Using a relay means only really low amps pass through the switch greatly
> extending its life.
>
> You also can just run one or two small wires to the switch with a
> relay. I prefer to just run one wire to my switch and use the switch as
> a ground signal for the relay trigger.
>
> Here is a good site on how to wire them:
>
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Thanks for the link. In my 99 wrangler i have a MRE front roll bar
which is connected to the rear roll bar which has two overhead bars
comming from the front roll bar to the rear bar between the front seats.
I have a steel panel attached to these bars which has 15 toggle switches
and one push switch with a seperate pilot light for each switch. This
panel controls all electrical functions,accessories: ignition, starter,
headlights,tail lights, inst panel lights, driving lights, wipers, 2
meter ham radio, wig-wam lights, and switched 12 volt power circuts.

I use GB toggles rated @ 20 amps. I have had two toggle failures over a
period of about 2 years. I wish I had seen that link before I wired
this panel. On the next jeep I will use this method on some of the hook ups.
Thanks

Kevin

Mike Romain wrote:
> Kevin wrote:
>
>>
>> What is the purpose of using relays for fog lights. A relay came with
>>my KC's but I did not use it. I went straight from the battery to the
>>lights, breaking the hot side with a toggle switch.
>
>
> The toggle switch will wear out from the full power arc every time it
> turns on and off. The cheaper the switch, the faster it will wear out.
>
> Using a relay means only really low amps pass through the switch greatly
> extending its life.
>
> You also can just run one or two small wires to the switch with a
> relay. I prefer to just run one wire to my switch and use the switch as
> a ground signal for the relay trigger.
>
> Here is a good site on how to wire them:
>
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Thanks for the link. In my 99 wrangler i have a MRE front roll bar
which is connected to the rear roll bar which has two overhead bars
comming from the front roll bar to the rear bar between the front seats.
I have a steel panel attached to these bars which has 15 toggle switches
and one push switch with a seperate pilot light for each switch. This
panel controls all electrical functions,accessories: ignition, starter,
headlights,tail lights, inst panel lights, driving lights, wipers, 2
meter ham radio, wig-wam lights, and switched 12 volt power circuts.

I use GB toggles rated @ 20 amps. I have had two toggle failures over a
period of about 2 years. I wish I had seen that link before I wired
this panel. On the next jeep I will use this method on some of the hook ups.
Thanks

Kevin

Mike Romain wrote:
> Kevin wrote:
>
>>
>> What is the purpose of using relays for fog lights. A relay came with
>>my KC's but I did not use it. I went straight from the battery to the
>>lights, breaking the hot side with a toggle switch.
>
>
> The toggle switch will wear out from the full power arc every time it
> turns on and off. The cheaper the switch, the faster it will wear out.
>
> Using a relay means only really low amps pass through the switch greatly
> extending its life.
>
> You also can just run one or two small wires to the switch with a
> relay. I prefer to just run one wire to my switch and use the switch as
> a ground signal for the relay trigger.
>
> Here is a good site on how to wire them:
>
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Thanks for the link. In my 99 wrangler i have a MRE front roll bar
which is connected to the rear roll bar which has two overhead bars
comming from the front roll bar to the rear bar between the front seats.
I have a steel panel attached to these bars which has 15 toggle switches
and one push switch with a seperate pilot light for each switch. This
panel controls all electrical functions,accessories: ignition, starter,
headlights,tail lights, inst panel lights, driving lights, wipers, 2
meter ham radio, wig-wam lights, and switched 12 volt power circuts.

I use GB toggles rated @ 20 amps. I have had two toggle failures over a
period of about 2 years. I wish I had seen that link before I wired
this panel. On the next jeep I will use this method on some of the hook ups.
Thanks

Mike Romain

Kevin wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Kevin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What is the purpose of using relays for fog lights. A relay came with
> >>my KC's but I did not use it. I went straight from the battery to the
> >>lights, breaking the hot side with a toggle switch.
> >
> >
> > The toggle switch will wear out from the full power arc every time it
> > turns on and off. The cheaper the switch, the faster it will wear out.
> >
> > Using a relay means only really low amps pass through the switch greatly
> > extending its life.
> >
> > You also can just run one or two small wires to the switch with a
> > relay. I prefer to just run one wire to my switch and use the switch as
> > a ground signal for the relay trigger.
> >
> > Here is a good site on how to wire them:
> >
> > http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Thanks for the link. In my 99 wrangler i have a MRE front roll bar
> which is connected to the rear roll bar which has two overhead bars
> comming from the front roll bar to the rear bar between the front seats.
> I have a steel panel attached to these bars which has 15 toggle switches
> and one push switch with a seperate pilot light for each switch. This
> panel controls all electrical functions,accessories: ignition, starter,
> headlights,tail lights, inst panel lights, driving lights, wipers, 2
> meter ham radio, wig-wam lights, and switched 12 volt power circuts.
>
> I use GB toggles rated @ 20 amps. I have had two toggle failures over a
> period of about 2 years. I wish I had seen that link before I wired
> this panel. On the next jeep I will use this method on some of the hook ups.
> Thanks

You are welcome.

If you have some high draw switches, you can add a relay right behind
the switch and just use the switch to turn on the relay pretty easily.
This will save the switches. It only takes a couple wires and if you
used spade connectors, they fit right on the relay for the main power
pins.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

Kevin wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Kevin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What is the purpose of using relays for fog lights. A relay came with
> >>my KC's but I did not use it. I went straight from the battery to the
> >>lights, breaking the hot side with a toggle switch.
> >
> >
> > The toggle switch will wear out from the full power arc every time it
> > turns on and off. The cheaper the switch, the faster it will wear out.
> >
> > Using a relay means only really low amps pass through the switch greatly
> > extending its life.
> >
> > You also can just run one or two small wires to the switch with a
> > relay. I prefer to just run one wire to my switch and use the switch as
> > a ground signal for the relay trigger.
> >
> > Here is a good site on how to wire them:
> >
> > http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Thanks for the link. In my 99 wrangler i have a MRE front roll bar
> which is connected to the rear roll bar which has two overhead bars
> comming from the front roll bar to the rear bar between the front seats.
> I have a steel panel attached to these bars which has 15 toggle switches
> and one push switch with a seperate pilot light for each switch. This
> panel controls all electrical functions,accessories: ignition, starter,
> headlights,tail lights, inst panel lights, driving lights, wipers, 2
> meter ham radio, wig-wam lights, and switched 12 volt power circuts.
>
> I use GB toggles rated @ 20 amps. I have had two toggle failures over a
> period of about 2 years. I wish I had seen that link before I wired
> this panel. On the next jeep I will use this method on some of the hook ups.
> Thanks

You are welcome.

If you have some high draw switches, you can add a relay right behind
the switch and just use the switch to turn on the relay pretty easily.
This will save the switches. It only takes a couple wires and if you
used spade connectors, they fit right on the relay for the main power
pins.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

Kevin wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Kevin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What is the purpose of using relays for fog lights. A relay came with
> >>my KC's but I did not use it. I went straight from the battery to the
> >>lights, breaking the hot side with a toggle switch.
> >
> >
> > The toggle switch will wear out from the full power arc every time it
> > turns on and off. The cheaper the switch, the faster it will wear out.
> >
> > Using a relay means only really low amps pass through the switch greatly
> > extending its life.
> >
> > You also can just run one or two small wires to the switch with a
> > relay. I prefer to just run one wire to my switch and use the switch as
> > a ground signal for the relay trigger.
> >
> > Here is a good site on how to wire them:
> >
> > http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Thanks for the link. In my 99 wrangler i have a MRE front roll bar
> which is connected to the rear roll bar which has two overhead bars
> comming from the front roll bar to the rear bar between the front seats.
> I have a steel panel attached to these bars which has 15 toggle switches
> and one push switch with a seperate pilot light for each switch. This
> panel controls all electrical functions,accessories: ignition, starter,
> headlights,tail lights, inst panel lights, driving lights, wipers, 2
> meter ham radio, wig-wam lights, and switched 12 volt power circuts.
>
> I use GB toggles rated @ 20 amps. I have had two toggle failures over a
> period of about 2 years. I wish I had seen that link before I wired
> this panel. On the next jeep I will use this method on some of the hook ups.
> Thanks

You are welcome.

If you have some high draw switches, you can add a relay right behind
the switch and just use the switch to turn on the relay pretty easily.
This will save the switches. It only takes a couple wires and if you
used spade connectors, they fit right on the relay for the main power
pins.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Bob Casanova

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:34:53 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com>:

Check Newark Electronics (http://www.newark.com/). When I
needed a new starter relay for the bike I got one rated for
60A for less than five bucks (as compared to the $40 or so
Yamaha wanted). Standard spade terminals.

>im looking for heavy duty 12v relays. the ones at my local autoparts store
>are dinky and they only have solder connections. id like to find one with
>either screw terminals or spades for slide-on crimp fittings.
>thanks,

--

Bob C.

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