Hawkman

I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L sport. I have 32" tires and no lift. I am
planning on towing a 4x6 or 5x8 uhaul trailer from Las Vegas to Iowa in a
few weeks. I know I need new rotors and am wondering which ones are the
best to buy. I have been looking around and have researched crossdrilled
and slotted rotors. What do you think is best? I have heard cross-drilled
eats up the pads and crack, but brake much better. Also, I have heard some
say cross-drilled will warp faster, and some say it warps slower than normal
rotors. Any ideas?
Another thing, I saw on ebay some rotors that are crossdrilled and slotted.
Are those any better?
Do you think I should just save and buy normal rotors from Autozone? ebay
item# 2424813314
My pads are around 60% remaining and I bought them from PepBoys. Should I
switch them out, or keep them for now?

Any ideas would be great. thanks

DougW

Hawkman wrote:
> I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L sport. I have 32" tires and no lift. I am
> planning on towing a 4x6 or 5x8 uhaul trailer from Las Vegas to Iowa in a
> few weeks. I know I need new rotors and am wondering which ones are the
> best to buy. I have been looking around and have researched crossdrilled
> and slotted rotors. What do you think is best? I have heard cross-drilled
> eats up the pads and crack, but brake much better. Also, I have heard some
> say cross-drilled will warp faster, and some say it warps slower than normal
> rotors. Any ideas?
> Another thing, I saw on ebay some rotors that are crossdrilled and slotted.
> Are those any better?
> Do you think I should just save and buy normal rotors from Autozone? ebay
> item# 2424813314
> My pads are around 60% remaining and I bought them from PepBoys. Should I
> switch them out, or keep them for now?

Cross drilled rotors can crack but only if the holes haven't been eased
or the rotor properly broken in. I have 16,000 miles on my stillen rotors
and they still look new. Probably should take a caliper to them and see
what the wear is.

The drilling allows more hot gas to get out and gives better braking
(providing the hydraulics and pads are up to it)
Slotting helps clear debris from the pad.
Not sure which is best, slotted or drilled. I'm happy with the stillen
discs though. :)

Rotors just don't up and warp unless they are crappy DC rotors. ;)
uneven torque, drenching and head-soaking are the prime cause.
Heat soaking is when you use the brakes a lot then sit with your
foot on the pedal. That holds the pad against the rotor and makes that
spot stay much hotter than the rest of the rotor. Not that you should
sit there with your foot off the brake or ride the clutch.. Just that
if you used the brakes a lot they should be given some time to cool down
when you can.

--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors

Earle Horton

Yeah, if you have money to throw at it get some bigger rotors and calipers,
like off a Dodge pickup or something. I don't know how big you can go with
the 15 inch wheels on there, but it's worth looking around to see what might
fit.

Earle

"Hawkman" <samj344@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Z_iUa.18794$Je.2966@fed1read04...
> So, I still can't make a decision.
> I know I need new rotors and I will be towing. In Iowa the weather is
going
> to be harsh in the winter, cold and freezing. And then for the summers
I'm
> going to back to the Vegas with extreme heat. I am still unsure about
cross
> drilled or slotted. Any other ideas anyone.
>
> Thanks
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:fPiUa.3833$p92.34820251@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > I don't think they make any difference. The increased braking is due
> mainly
> > to the harder pads you run and obviously the harder pads wear the discs
> out
> > faster as well). Cross drilling tends to allow gas to escape better
when
> > the pads get so hot the surface melts (are you going to do this in a
truck
> > on the street ?!? ), while slots are better at cleaning up the surface
of
> > the pad and reducing glazing. I run Tarox slotted discs on my Alfa if
you
> > want to know what choice I made, and the very hard pads give exceptional
> > braking when hot, and very poor braking until they have warmed up. If I
> were
> > you, I wouldn't bother, but then again you may find that the slots are
> > cheaper than the replacement jeep parts.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >
> > "Hawkman" <samj344@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:PChUa.18778$Je.8671@fed1read04...
> > : I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L sport. I have 32" tires and no lift.
> I
> > am
> > : planning on towing a 4x6 or 5x8 uhaul trailer from Las Vegas to Iowa
in
> a
> > : few weeks. I know I need new rotors and am wondering which ones are
the
> > : best to buy. I have been looking around and have researched
> crossdrilled
> > : and slotted rotors. What do you think is best? I have heard
> > cross-drilled
> > : eats up the pads and crack, but brake much better. Also, I have heard
> > some
> > : say cross-drilled will warp faster, and some say it warps slower than
> > normal
> > : rotors. Any ideas?
> > : Another thing, I saw on ebay some rotors that are crossdrilled and
> > slotted.
> > : Are those any better?
> > : Do you think I should just save and buy normal rotors from Autozone?
> ebay
> > : item# 2424813314
> > : My pads are around 60% remaining and I bought them from PepBoys.
Should
> I
> > : switch them out, or keep them for now?
> > :
> > : Any ideas would be great. thanks
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>

Hawkman

So, I still can't make a decision.
I know I need new rotors and I will be towing. In Iowa the weather is going
to be harsh in the winter, cold and freezing. And then for the summers I'm
going to back to the Vegas with extreme heat. I am still unsure about cross
drilled or slotted. Any other ideas anyone.

Thanks

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:fPiUa.3833$p92.34820251@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I don't think they make any difference. The increased braking is due
mainly
> to the harder pads you run and obviously the harder pads wear the discs
out
> faster as well). Cross drilling tends to allow gas to escape better when
> the pads get so hot the surface melts (are you going to do this in a truck
> on the street ?!? ), while slots are better at cleaning up the surface of
> the pad and reducing glazing. I run Tarox slotted discs on my Alfa if you
> want to know what choice I made, and the very hard pads give exceptional
> braking when hot, and very poor braking until they have warmed up. If I
were
> you, I wouldn't bother, but then again you may find that the slots are
> cheaper than the replacement jeep parts.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Hawkman" <samj344@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:PChUa.18778$Je.8671@fed1read04...
> : I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L sport. I have 32" tires and no lift.
I
> am
> : planning on towing a 4x6 or 5x8 uhaul trailer from Las Vegas to Iowa in
a
> : few weeks. I know I need new rotors and am wondering which ones are the
> : best to buy. I have been looking around and have researched
crossdrilled
> : and slotted rotors. What do you think is best? I have heard
> cross-drilled
> : eats up the pads and crack, but brake much better. Also, I have heard
> some
> : say cross-drilled will warp faster, and some say it warps slower than
> normal
> : rotors. Any ideas?
> : Another thing, I saw on ebay some rotors that are crossdrilled and
> slotted.
> : Are those any better?
> : Do you think I should just save and buy normal rotors from Autozone?
ebay
> : item# 2424813314
> : My pads are around 60% remaining and I bought them from PepBoys. Should
I
> : switch them out, or keep them for now?
> :
> : Any ideas would be great. thanks
> :
> :
>
>

Dave Milne

Ok, put it like this. Slots and Cross drilled pads are meant for running
hard racing pads. If you aren't going to be racing your truck, then don't
get the hard pads which suck when cold and work amazingly when very hot. If
you are towing, I would still stick with standard pads. If you are going to
by the discs anyway, then I would get slots which will at least clean up
your standard pad.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Hawkman" <samj344@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Z_iUa.18794$Je.2966@fed1read04...
: So, I still can't make a decision.
: I know I need new rotors and I will be towing. In Iowa the weather is
going
: to be harsh in the winter, cold and freezing. And then for the summers
I'm
: going to back to the Vegas with extreme heat. I am still unsure about
cross
: drilled or slotted. Any other ideas anyone.
:
: Thanks
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:fPiUa.3833$p92.34820251@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I don't think they make any difference. The increased braking is due
: mainly
: > to the harder pads you run and obviously the harder pads wear the discs
: out
: > faster as well). Cross drilling tends to allow gas to escape better
when
: > the pads get so hot the surface melts (are you going to do this in a
truck
: > on the street ?!? ), while slots are better at cleaning up the surface
of
: > the pad and reducing glazing. I run Tarox slotted discs on my Alfa if
you
: > want to know what choice I made, and the very hard pads give exceptional
: > braking when hot, and very poor braking until they have warmed up. If I
: were
: > you, I wouldn't bother, but then again you may find that the slots are
: > cheaper than the replacement jeep parts.
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Hawkman" <samj344@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > news:PChUa.18778$Je.8671@fed1read04...
: > : I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L sport. I have 32" tires and no lift.
: I
: > am
: > : planning on towing a 4x6 or 5x8 uhaul trailer from Las Vegas to Iowa
in
: a
: > : few weeks. I know I need new rotors and am wondering which ones are
the
: > : best to buy. I have been looking around and have researched
: crossdrilled
: > : and slotted rotors. What do you think is best? I have heard
: > cross-drilled
: > : eats up the pads and crack, but brake much better. Also, I have heard
: > some
: > : say cross-drilled will warp faster, and some say it warps slower than
: > normal
: > : rotors. Any ideas?
: > : Another thing, I saw on ebay some rotors that are crossdrilled and
: > slotted.
: > : Are those any better?
: > : Do you think I should just save and buy normal rotors from Autozone?
: ebay
: > : item# 2424813314
: > : My pads are around 60% remaining and I bought them from PepBoys.
Should
: I
: > : switch them out, or keep them for now?
: > :
: > : Any ideas would be great. thanks
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Dave Milne

typo - meant "slots and cross drilled discs"

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:cmjUa.3865$Kl2.34970782@news-text.cableinet.net...
: Ok, put it like this. Slots and Cross drilled pads are meant for running
: hard racing pads. If you aren't going to be racing your truck, then don't
: get the hard pads which suck when cold and work amazingly when very hot.
If
: you are towing, I would still stick with standard pads. If you are going
to
: by the discs anyway, then I would get slots which will at least clean up
: your standard pad.
:
: Dave Milne, Scotland
: '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
:
: "Hawkman" <samj344@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:Z_iUa.18794$Je.2966@fed1read04...
: : So, I still can't make a decision.
: : I know I need new rotors and I will be towing. In Iowa the weather is
: going
: : to be harsh in the winter, cold and freezing. And then for the summers
: I'm
: : going to back to the Vegas with extreme heat. I am still unsure about
: cross
: : drilled or slotted. Any other ideas anyone.
: :
: : Thanks
: :
: : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: : news:fPiUa.3833$p92.34820251@news-text.cableinet.net...
: : > I don't think they make any difference. The increased braking is due
: : mainly
: : > to the harder pads you run and obviously the harder pads wear the
discs
: : out
: : > faster as well). Cross drilling tends to allow gas to escape better
: when
: : > the pads get so hot the surface melts (are you going to do this in a
: truck
: : > on the street ?!? ), while slots are better at cleaning up the surface
: of
: : > the pad and reducing glazing. I run Tarox slotted discs on my Alfa if
: you
: : > want to know what choice I made, and the very hard pads give
exceptional
: : > braking when hot, and very poor braking until they have warmed up. If
I
: : were
: : > you, I wouldn't bother, but then again you may find that the slots are
: : > cheaper than the replacement jeep parts.
: : >
: : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: : >
: : > "Hawkman" <samj344@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: : > news:PChUa.18778$Je.8671@fed1read04...
: : > : I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L sport. I have 32" tires and no
lift.
: : I
: : > am
: : > : planning on towing a 4x6 or 5x8 uhaul trailer from Las Vegas to Iowa
: in
: : a
: : > : few weeks. I know I need new rotors and am wondering which ones are
: the
: : > : best to buy. I have been looking around and have researched
: : crossdrilled
: : > : and slotted rotors. What do you think is best? I have heard
: : > cross-drilled
: : > : eats up the pads and crack, but brake much better. Also, I have
heard
: : > some
: : > : say cross-drilled will warp faster, and some say it warps slower
than
: : > normal
: : > : rotors. Any ideas?
: : > : Another thing, I saw on ebay some rotors that are crossdrilled and
: : > slotted.
: : > : Are those any better?
: : > : Do you think I should just save and buy normal rotors from Autozone?
: : ebay
: : > : item# 2424813314
: : > : My pads are around 60% remaining and I bought them from PepBoys.
: Should
: : I
: : > : switch them out, or keep them for now?
: : > :
: : > : Any ideas would be great. thanks
: : > :
: : > :
: : >
: : >
: :
: :
:
:

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I really believe if you just replace with any replacement disk from
any parts store, you'll solve your problem. It just seems to be a
problem with all Chrysler case iron parts, dating way back to the
sixties. We can climb all over a Ford or GM disks and never have a
wrapped disk.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Hawkman wrote:
>
> I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L sport. I have 32" tires and no lift. I am
> planning on towing a 4x6 or 5x8 uhaul trailer from Las Vegas to Iowa in a
> few weeks. I know I need new rotors and am wondering which ones are the
> best to buy. I have been looking around and have researched crossdrilled
> and slotted rotors. What do you think is best? I have heard cross-drilled
> eats up the pads and crack, but brake much better. Also, I have heard some
> say cross-drilled will warp faster, and some say it warps slower than normal
> rotors. Any ideas?
> Another thing, I saw on ebay some rotors that are crossdrilled and slotted.
> Are those any better?
> Do you think I should just save and buy normal rotors from Autozone? ebay
> item# 2424813314
> My pads are around 60% remaining and I bought them from PepBoys. Should I
> switch them out, or keep them for now?
>
> Any ideas would be great. thanks

Just Taylor

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:50:38 -0700, "Hawkman" <samj344@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L sport. I have 32" tires and no lift. I am
>planning on towing a 4x6 or 5x8 uhaul trailer from Las Vegas to Iowa in a
>few weeks. I know I need new rotors and am wondering which ones are the
>best to buy. I have been looking around and have researched crossdrilled
>and slotted rotors. What do you think is best? I have heard cross-drilled
>eats up the pads and crack, but brake much better. Also, I have heard some
>say cross-drilled will warp faster, and some say it warps slower than normal
>rotors. Any ideas?

I went to cross-drilled rotors because the price for the cross-drilled
rotors were damn close to what I would have paid for say Raybestos
rotors....

>Another thing, I saw on ebay some rotors that are crossdrilled and slotted.
>Are those any better?

From what I have read cross-drilled rotors are better than slotted
rotors, slotted rotors "cut" the brake pads. Like Ford & Chevy, Great
Taste-Less Filling everybody has their own opinions on the cross-drilled
and slotted rotors.

>Do you think I should just save and buy normal rotors from Autozone? ebay
>item# 2424813314

That is a Long Beach, CA based reseller and that is not his first user
name. Last I saw of him he has *many* negative feedback ratings. I'll
look up the old name ASAP if you want.

My good friend did buy cross-drilled rotors for his '99 XJ from this guy
on eBay,

http://cgi2.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-c...ack&userid=935

And he has a set of rotors for your TJ,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2424992293

The guy is in Canada but packed the rotors great and was a class act all
the way... There are other makes and I used Stillen myself, they are
pricey but I got in on a group buy.


--
Taylor

'89 Audi 200
'01 Audi A6 2.7T
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport

DougW

Just Taylor wrote:

> The guy is in Canada but packed the rotors great and was a class act all
> the way... There are other makes and I used Stillen myself, they are
> pricey but I got in on a group buy.

Got mine from Nick, you can email him at
kolak
at
aol dot
com

Good price and the rotors were drop-shipped from Stillen.
Pads (raybestos) were just boxed and fedexed.

--
DougW