Lee Ayrton

Okay, so I included too many details last time. Lemme try again.

A paint shop has agreed to paint my off-frame CJ-5 tub (new steel, in
shipping primer), fenders (new, in e-coat), tailgate (new, in primer),
dash, grill, roll bar (old, in fair shape but will require hand-work) and
hood (badly chalked, will require work) and assorted hinges for $1238, out
the door, taxes included. The material will be duPont catalysed paint.

Is this a good price or a bad price?

Fletcher

Sounds a little high to me, how about going to a second shop for a second
estimate?


"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
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>
> Okay, so I included too many details last time. Lemme try again.
>
> A paint shop has agreed to paint my off-frame CJ-5 tub (new steel, in
> shipping primer), fenders (new, in e-coat), tailgate (new, in primer),
> dash, grill, roll bar (old, in fair shape but will require hand-work) and
> hood (badly chalked, will require work) and assorted hinges for $1238, out
> the door, taxes included. The material will be duPont catalysed paint.
>
> Is this a good price or a bad price?
>
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Lee,
I can tell you a friend of mine had his '69 Corvette repainted the
same stock color for six thousand dollars, about twenty years ago. When
you paint inside and out it's labor intensive, and you use a lot of
product, I used a gallon and a half for my CJ-2A. They may even be
cutting corners at your price. Don't expect perfection.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Okay, so I included too many details last time. Lemme try again.
>
> A paint shop has agreed to paint my off-frame CJ-5 tub (new steel, in
> shipping primer), fenders (new, in e-coat), tailgate (new, in primer),
> dash, grill, roll bar (old, in fair shape but will require hand-work) and
> hood (badly chalked, will require work) and assorted hinges for $1238, out
> the door, taxes included. The material will be duPont catalysed paint.
>
> Is this a good price or a bad price?

c

It's definitely worth shopping around, but remember this. Even though
everything is in primer, especially shipping primer, there is still a lot of
prep work before you paint. That whole tub, and the rest of the parts, need
to be sanded and reprimed, because very few paints will stick to that
shipping primer or e-coat. There is also the issue of tack ragging the whole
thing before you prime, fixing any imperfections in the panels (yes new
panels have imperfections). So lets say 6 to 8 hours @ $50 per hour to prep
everything. Now that it is primed, you can sand the whole thing again before
you paint it. Figure another 2-3 hours for that. Now that it is sanded, you
can tack rag the whole thing down to get rid of any dust particles, probably
another hour or so. Now a coat of sealer is applied, maybe two. Figure an
hour for that. Three coats of paint at 30 minutes per coat, at least. Two
coats of clear, another 90 minutes or so. Done, right? Nope. Now the whole
thing is wetsanded by hand. This is 2-3 hours easily if it is done properly.
Now it can be buffed out, figure another 1-2 hours for this. Fudging the
numbers a bit, this is 18.5 hours of labor @ $50 per hour or $925. We
haven't even figured in paint or materials yet. A gallon of paint will be
$150 at minimum, now add reducer, primer, clear, hardener for the clear,
sealer, sealer catalyst, sanding materials, tack rags, etc.

Can you get a cheaper paint job? Sure. The paint isn't the expense here as
you can see. The prep work is very labor intensive. IMHO, if this guy that
quoted $1238 is a reputable bodyman, and you've seen his work and it looks
good, that price is in line. Pay less and you probably get less. If you just
want a "paint job" I'm sure there are many places that would slap a coat of
paint on for you, but if you went thru the expense of all new body panels
and a tub, this would seem silly to me.

Chris



"Tom Eller" <tom@remedypro.com> wrote in message
news:26oUa.199379$BA.56039794@twister.columbus.rr. com...
> Completely different quote but to repaint my 97 TJ from purple to
something
> more normal I was quoted 7,000 +.
> But 1238 seems like alot if the tub is off and in primer. I'd check
around
> some more.
>
>
> Tom
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F219BE5.3CEC8876@***.net...
> > Hi Lee,
> > I can tell you a friend of mine had his '69 Corvette repainted the
> > same stock color for six thousand dollars, about twenty years ago. When
> > you paint inside and out it's labor intensive, and you use a lot of
> > product, I used a gallon and a half for my CJ-2A. They may even be
> > cutting corners at your price. Don't expect perfection.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > Okay, so I included too many details last time. Lemme try again.
> > >
> > > A paint shop has agreed to paint my off-frame CJ-5 tub (new steel, in
> > > shipping primer), fenders (new, in e-coat), tailgate (new, in primer),
> > > dash, grill, roll bar (old, in fair shape but will require hand-work)
> and
> > > hood (badly chalked, will require work) and assorted hinges for $1238,
> out
> > > the door, taxes included. The material will be duPont catalysed paint.
> > >
> > > Is this a good price or a bad price?
>
>

Lee Ayrton

On or about Sat, 26 Jul 2003, c of c@me.org wrote:

> panels have imperfections). So lets say 6 to 8 hours @ $50 per hour to
> prep everything. Now that it is primed, you can sand the whole thing
> again before you paint it. Figure another 2-3 hours for that. Now that
> it is sanded, you can tack rag the whole thing down to get rid of any
> dust particles, probably another hour or so. Now a coat of sealer is
> applied, maybe two. Figure an hour for that. Three coats of paint at 30
> minutes per coat, at least. Two coats of clear, another 90 minutes or
> so. Done, right? Nope. Now the whole thing is wetsanded by hand. This is
> 2-3 hours easily if it is done properly. Now it can be buffed out,
> figure another 1-2 hours for this. Fudging the numbers a bit, this is
> 18.5 hours of labor @ $50 per hour or $925. We haven't even figured in
> paint or materials yet. A gallon of paint will be $150 at minimum, now
> add reducer, primer, clear, hardener for the clear, sealer, sealer
> catalyst, sanding materials, tack rags, etc.

Okay, thanks. I'm not happy about the price but I'd already burped the
parts off the rental truck -- so it was going to cost me money either way
(to truck it home and later to another shop) so he had hold of a few short
hairs. Spend it here, or spend it elsewhere? Oh hell, here.

Anyway, when I thought about it later I guessed about 2 man/days for them
to sand, hang (small parts) and paint. Add a round $400 for him to retail
the materials to me and that's the $1200 he quoted. He's certainly not
losing money on the deal, but with truck rentals and time spent shopping
it around I guess I wasn't going to save much by taking it elsewhere.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Joe

let us know how it turns out!

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0307271300230.8624-100000@sea.ntplx.net...
> On or about Sat, 26 Jul 2003, c of c@me.org wrote:
>
> > panels have imperfections). So lets say 6 to 8 hours @ $50 per hour to
> > prep everything. Now that it is primed, you can sand the whole thing
> > again before you paint it. Figure another 2-3 hours for that. Now that
> > it is sanded, you can tack rag the whole thing down to get rid of any
> > dust particles, probably another hour or so. Now a coat of sealer is
> > applied, maybe two. Figure an hour for that. Three coats of paint at 30
> > minutes per coat, at least. Two coats of clear, another 90 minutes or
> > so. Done, right? Nope. Now the whole thing is wetsanded by hand. This is
> > 2-3 hours easily if it is done properly. Now it can be buffed out,
> > figure another 1-2 hours for this. Fudging the numbers a bit, this is
> > 18.5 hours of labor @ $50 per hour or $925. We haven't even figured in
> > paint or materials yet. A gallon of paint will be $150 at minimum, now
> > add reducer, primer, clear, hardener for the clear, sealer, sealer
> > catalyst, sanding materials, tack rags, etc.
>
> Okay, thanks. I'm not happy about the price but I'd already burped the
> parts off the rental truck -- so it was going to cost me money either way
> (to truck it home and later to another shop) so he had hold of a few short
> hairs. Spend it here, or spend it elsewhere? Oh hell, here.
>
> Anyway, when I thought about it later I guessed about 2 man/days for them
> to sand, hang (small parts) and paint. Add a round $400 for him to retail
> the materials to me and that's the $1200 he quoted. He's certainly not
> losing money on the deal, but with truck rentals and time spent shopping
> it around I guess I wasn't going to save much by taking it elsewhere.
>
> Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
>
>
>
>
>