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Spdloader 08-07-2007 07:24 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06...
>I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the mouse
>locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes at
>the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
>the computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
>computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
>mouse no longer responds.
>
> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
>
> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
>
> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
> I'm thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse,
> and the adaptor pushes it over the edge.
>
> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock speed
> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
>
> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
> installed the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband
> bandit for more than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic
> service for my internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new
> Core-2 Intel something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my
> brother in law. While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and
> I jumped through all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I
> finally bought another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
>
> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
> but I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
> wireless adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems
> began again within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the
> Desktop while booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while
> later. In any case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The
> PC is completely stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor
> only. No printer or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5"
> floppy. From the view of the power supply, there is only a motherboard,
> mouse, keyboard, and monitor.
>
> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
> computer locks up.
>
> Is this a power supply issue?
>
>
>
>
>

Jeff, is the fan on the power supply running? If the fan locks up, the power
supply will overheat causing the lock ups you describe, but there are other
things as well. I'd check the fan, easy stuff first.

Spdloader



witfal 08-07-2007 07:34 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:11:29 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:

>
> "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
> news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:
>>
>>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key
>>> code right before it crapped the first time after installing the
>>> wireless adaptor.
>>>
>>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power
>>> supply is an easy fix, and cheap too ...

>>
>> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an
>> active connection. Check it via
>> the Control Panel's icon.
>>

>
> I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...


Yeah, I caught that in a different post. Sorry.

At this point, my money is on your original guess: A dying PCI bus, on the MB.



witfal 08-07-2007 07:34 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:11:29 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:

>
> "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
> news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:
>>
>>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key
>>> code right before it crapped the first time after installing the
>>> wireless adaptor.
>>>
>>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power
>>> supply is an easy fix, and cheap too ...

>>
>> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an
>> active connection. Check it via
>> the Control Panel's icon.
>>

>
> I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...


Yeah, I caught that in a different post. Sorry.

At this point, my money is on your original guess: A dying PCI bus, on the MB.



witfal 08-07-2007 07:34 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:11:29 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:

>
> "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
> news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:
>>
>>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key
>>> code right before it crapped the first time after installing the
>>> wireless adaptor.
>>>
>>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power
>>> supply is an easy fix, and cheap too ...

>>
>> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an
>> active connection. Check it via
>> the Control Panel's icon.
>>

>
> I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...


Yeah, I caught that in a different post. Sorry.

At this point, my money is on your original guess: A dying PCI bus, on the MB.



witfal 08-07-2007 07:34 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:11:29 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:

>
> "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
> news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:
>>
>>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key
>>> code right before it crapped the first time after installing the
>>> wireless adaptor.
>>>
>>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power
>>> supply is an easy fix, and cheap too ...

>>
>> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an
>> active connection. Check it via
>> the Control Panel's icon.
>>

>
> I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...


Yeah, I caught that in a different post. Sorry.

At this point, my money is on your original guess: A dying PCI bus, on the MB.



L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 07:38 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Navarre, Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had
to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via
remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its
attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just
gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of
Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its
senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to
use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would,
totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from a Capricorn.
It's what you wrote, don't you want this group to see what an a**hole
you really are?????
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylum.org> wrote in message
news:8bshb3li89l6b6th70gkre8rov6csbqlc4@4ax.com...
>
> I told you he would be your Buddy, now send him a Goat, and explain
> how to incorporate those 5 firewall's on one machine.
> Even I would be interested in that Goatman!
><snip queer fantasies that others may need to know what your psychopath

traits are.>



--
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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 07:38 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Navarre, Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had
to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via
remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its
attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just
gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of
Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its
senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to
use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would,
totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from a Capricorn.
It's what you wrote, don't you want this group to see what an a**hole
you really are?????
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylum.org> wrote in message
news:8bshb3li89l6b6th70gkre8rov6csbqlc4@4ax.com...
>
> I told you he would be your Buddy, now send him a Goat, and explain
> how to incorporate those 5 firewall's on one machine.
> Even I would be interested in that Goatman!
><snip queer fantasies that others may need to know what your psychopath

traits are.>



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 07:38 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Navarre, Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had
to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via
remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its
attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just
gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of
Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its
senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to
use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would,
totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from a Capricorn.
It's what you wrote, don't you want this group to see what an a**hole
you really are?????
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylum.org> wrote in message
news:8bshb3li89l6b6th70gkre8rov6csbqlc4@4ax.com...
>
> I told you he would be your Buddy, now send him a Goat, and explain
> how to incorporate those 5 firewall's on one machine.
> Even I would be interested in that Goatman!
><snip queer fantasies that others may need to know what your psychopath

traits are.>



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 07:38 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Navarre, Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had
to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via
remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its
attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just
gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of
Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its
senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to
use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would,
totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from a Capricorn.
It's what you wrote, don't you want this group to see what an a**hole
you really are?????
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylum.org> wrote in message
news:8bshb3li89l6b6th70gkre8rov6csbqlc4@4ax.com...
>
> I told you he would be your Buddy, now send him a Goat, and explain
> how to incorporate those 5 firewall's on one machine.
> Even I would be interested in that Goatman!
><snip queer fantasies that others may need to know what your psychopath

traits are.>



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Mike Romain 08-07-2007 07:50 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
> news:nps-DED5B9.16594007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <eD5ui.7625$dD3.2352@trnddc07>,
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nps-5E9355.16062407082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was
>>> working
>>> >> okay
>>> >> for a very long time.
>>> >>
>>> >> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the
>>> >> garage
>>> >> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
>>> >> unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned
>>> it >> off
>>> >> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and
>>> now >> it
>>> >> doesn't run.
>>> >
>>> > You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works fine?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>>
>>> Well, yeah. When the old heap is up on blocks, it runs fine. But when
>>> I put
>>> the tires on and take the jack stands out, it stalls again (to keep
>>> my bad
>>> analogy alive) ...

>>
>> I wonder if the old drivers are still in the computer or do the new ones
>> overwrite the old?
>>
>> I'm not so sure it's hardware. If it were me I'd be looking at
>> SW/driver before replacing an otherwise good running machine.
>>
>> Aren't computers fun...GL
>>

>
> It behaved the same way with two different wireless adaptors and two
> different installs of WinXP Pro, and the latest install of XP did a
> forced reformat of the hard drive. I'm confident the only wireless
> drivers I am dealing with now are for the D-Link adaptor. As an aside,
> the machine seems to not care about the USB 2.0 adaptor that also uses
> the PCI bus. Maybe my hints at a bad power supply are not accurate ...
>
> Somebody suggested a interupt conflict, but there was no change in the
> interupts between the time the machine worked okay and when it began
> working poorly. No software or hardware had been installed or modified,
> all we did was unplug the machine and set it up on another table to pull
> our private files -- pictures, Word Documents, that sort of stuff -- off
> of it.
>
> We've already replaced the machine, but I can find a new home for it if
> I can make it run. It works fine in a stand alone environment, but I
> really need it to be connected to the wireless network. I suppose I
> could drag it close to the router and plug in a CAT 5 cable, but that
> does not give me what I'm really looking for. And, that requires a NIC
> card and a CAT 5 cable.
>
>


I have had my BOIS reset to default from recent storm caused power
surges and had my scanner up and lock things. Could be worth a look to see.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 08-07-2007 07:50 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
> news:nps-DED5B9.16594007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <eD5ui.7625$dD3.2352@trnddc07>,
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nps-5E9355.16062407082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was
>>> working
>>> >> okay
>>> >> for a very long time.
>>> >>
>>> >> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the
>>> >> garage
>>> >> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
>>> >> unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned
>>> it >> off
>>> >> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and
>>> now >> it
>>> >> doesn't run.
>>> >
>>> > You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works fine?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>>
>>> Well, yeah. When the old heap is up on blocks, it runs fine. But when
>>> I put
>>> the tires on and take the jack stands out, it stalls again (to keep
>>> my bad
>>> analogy alive) ...

>>
>> I wonder if the old drivers are still in the computer or do the new ones
>> overwrite the old?
>>
>> I'm not so sure it's hardware. If it were me I'd be looking at
>> SW/driver before replacing an otherwise good running machine.
>>
>> Aren't computers fun...GL
>>

>
> It behaved the same way with two different wireless adaptors and two
> different installs of WinXP Pro, and the latest install of XP did a
> forced reformat of the hard drive. I'm confident the only wireless
> drivers I am dealing with now are for the D-Link adaptor. As an aside,
> the machine seems to not care about the USB 2.0 adaptor that also uses
> the PCI bus. Maybe my hints at a bad power supply are not accurate ...
>
> Somebody suggested a interupt conflict, but there was no change in the
> interupts between the time the machine worked okay and when it began
> working poorly. No software or hardware had been installed or modified,
> all we did was unplug the machine and set it up on another table to pull
> our private files -- pictures, Word Documents, that sort of stuff -- off
> of it.
>
> We've already replaced the machine, but I can find a new home for it if
> I can make it run. It works fine in a stand alone environment, but I
> really need it to be connected to the wireless network. I suppose I
> could drag it close to the router and plug in a CAT 5 cable, but that
> does not give me what I'm really looking for. And, that requires a NIC
> card and a CAT 5 cable.
>
>


I have had my BOIS reset to default from recent storm caused power
surges and had my scanner up and lock things. Could be worth a look to see.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 08-07-2007 07:50 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
> news:nps-DED5B9.16594007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <eD5ui.7625$dD3.2352@trnddc07>,
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nps-5E9355.16062407082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was
>>> working
>>> >> okay
>>> >> for a very long time.
>>> >>
>>> >> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the
>>> >> garage
>>> >> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
>>> >> unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned
>>> it >> off
>>> >> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and
>>> now >> it
>>> >> doesn't run.
>>> >
>>> > You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works fine?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>>
>>> Well, yeah. When the old heap is up on blocks, it runs fine. But when
>>> I put
>>> the tires on and take the jack stands out, it stalls again (to keep
>>> my bad
>>> analogy alive) ...

>>
>> I wonder if the old drivers are still in the computer or do the new ones
>> overwrite the old?
>>
>> I'm not so sure it's hardware. If it were me I'd be looking at
>> SW/driver before replacing an otherwise good running machine.
>>
>> Aren't computers fun...GL
>>

>
> It behaved the same way with two different wireless adaptors and two
> different installs of WinXP Pro, and the latest install of XP did a
> forced reformat of the hard drive. I'm confident the only wireless
> drivers I am dealing with now are for the D-Link adaptor. As an aside,
> the machine seems to not care about the USB 2.0 adaptor that also uses
> the PCI bus. Maybe my hints at a bad power supply are not accurate ...
>
> Somebody suggested a interupt conflict, but there was no change in the
> interupts between the time the machine worked okay and when it began
> working poorly. No software or hardware had been installed or modified,
> all we did was unplug the machine and set it up on another table to pull
> our private files -- pictures, Word Documents, that sort of stuff -- off
> of it.
>
> We've already replaced the machine, but I can find a new home for it if
> I can make it run. It works fine in a stand alone environment, but I
> really need it to be connected to the wireless network. I suppose I
> could drag it close to the router and plug in a CAT 5 cable, but that
> does not give me what I'm really looking for. And, that requires a NIC
> card and a CAT 5 cable.
>
>


I have had my BOIS reset to default from recent storm caused power
surges and had my scanner up and lock things. Could be worth a look to see.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 08-07-2007 07:50 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
> news:nps-DED5B9.16594007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <eD5ui.7625$dD3.2352@trnddc07>,
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nps-5E9355.16062407082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was
>>> working
>>> >> okay
>>> >> for a very long time.
>>> >>
>>> >> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the
>>> >> garage
>>> >> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
>>> >> unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned
>>> it >> off
>>> >> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and
>>> now >> it
>>> >> doesn't run.
>>> >
>>> > You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works fine?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>>
>>> Well, yeah. When the old heap is up on blocks, it runs fine. But when
>>> I put
>>> the tires on and take the jack stands out, it stalls again (to keep
>>> my bad
>>> analogy alive) ...

>>
>> I wonder if the old drivers are still in the computer or do the new ones
>> overwrite the old?
>>
>> I'm not so sure it's hardware. If it were me I'd be looking at
>> SW/driver before replacing an otherwise good running machine.
>>
>> Aren't computers fun...GL
>>

>
> It behaved the same way with two different wireless adaptors and two
> different installs of WinXP Pro, and the latest install of XP did a
> forced reformat of the hard drive. I'm confident the only wireless
> drivers I am dealing with now are for the D-Link adaptor. As an aside,
> the machine seems to not care about the USB 2.0 adaptor that also uses
> the PCI bus. Maybe my hints at a bad power supply are not accurate ...
>
> Somebody suggested a interupt conflict, but there was no change in the
> interupts between the time the machine worked okay and when it began
> working poorly. No software or hardware had been installed or modified,
> all we did was unplug the machine and set it up on another table to pull
> our private files -- pictures, Word Documents, that sort of stuff -- off
> of it.
>
> We've already replaced the machine, but I can find a new home for it if
> I can make it run. It works fine in a stand alone environment, but I
> really need it to be connected to the wireless network. I suppose I
> could drag it close to the router and plug in a CAT 5 cable, but that
> does not give me what I'm really looking for. And, that requires a NIC
> card and a CAT 5 cable.
>
>


I have had my BOIS reset to default from recent storm caused power
surges and had my scanner up and lock things. Could be worth a look to see.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 07:51 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:23:57 -0500, Moe wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:52:41 -0500, Moe wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:nps-DED5B9.16594007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>> In article <eD5ui.7625$dD3.2352@trnddc07>, "Jeff Strickland"
>>>>> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:nps-5E9355.16062407082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>>>>> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was
>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>> for a very long time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of
>>>>>>>> the garage
>>>>>>>> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are
>>>>>>>> normally unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until
>>>>>>>> I turned
>>>>>> it >> off
>>>>>>>> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and
>>>>>> now >> it
>>>>>>>> doesn't run.
>>>>>>> You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works
>>>>>>> fine?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Well, yeah. When the old heap is up on blocks, it runs fine. But
>>>>>> when I put
>>>>>> the tires on and take the jack stands out, it stalls again (to keep
>>>>>> my bad
>>>>>> analogy alive) ...
>>>>> I wonder if the old drivers are still in the computer or do the new
>>>>> ones overwrite the old?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not so sure it's hardware. If it were me I'd be looking at
>>>>> SW/driver before replacing an otherwise good running machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't computers fun...GL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It behaved the same way with two different wireless adaptors and two
>>>> different installs of WinXP Pro, and the latest install of XP did a
>>>> forced reformat of the hard drive. I'm confident the only wireless
>>>> drivers I am dealing with now are for the D-Link adaptor. As an aside,
>>>> the machine seems to not care about the USB 2.0 adaptor that also uses
>>>> the PCI bus. Maybe my hints at a bad power supply are not accurate ...
>>>>
>>>> Somebody suggested a interupt conflict, but there was no change in the
>>>> interupts between the time the machine worked okay and when it began
>>>> working poorly. No software or hardware had been installed or
>>>> modified, all we did was unplug the machine and set it up on another
>>>> table to pull our private files -- pictures, Word Documents, that sort
>>>> of stuff -- off of it.
>>>>
>>>> We've already replaced the machine, but I can find a new home for it
>>>> if I can make it run. It works fine in a stand alone environment, but
>>>> I really need it to be connected to the wireless network. I suppose I
>>>> could drag it close to the router and plug in a CAT 5 cable, but that
>>>> does not give me what I'm really looking for. And, that requires a NIC
>>>> card and a CAT 5 cable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hillew, my name is Sam,
>>> I am sorri you sim to bi having problims,
>>> Plise go to sistims divice and till mi if you have an conflics,

>>
>>
>> Whatr u tring 2 sa, Mo?
>>
>>

> Et appirs thee rich americen can not propirlee fex he's cmputour. I weel
> be right back, I hav too goo feeeed eliphent.


jus don tri 2 giff him an enema...

Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
him.

"The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no one
there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour before
a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It seems to be
just one of those freak accidents that proves... "---- happens."




=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 07:51 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:23:57 -0500, Moe wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:52:41 -0500, Moe wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:nps-DED5B9.16594007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>> In article <eD5ui.7625$dD3.2352@trnddc07>, "Jeff Strickland"
>>>>> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:nps-5E9355.16062407082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>>>>> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was
>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>> for a very long time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of
>>>>>>>> the garage
>>>>>>>> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are
>>>>>>>> normally unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until
>>>>>>>> I turned
>>>>>> it >> off
>>>>>>>> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and
>>>>>> now >> it
>>>>>>>> doesn't run.
>>>>>>> You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works
>>>>>>> fine?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Well, yeah. When the old heap is up on blocks, it runs fine. But
>>>>>> when I put
>>>>>> the tires on and take the jack stands out, it stalls again (to keep
>>>>>> my bad
>>>>>> analogy alive) ...
>>>>> I wonder if the old drivers are still in the computer or do the new
>>>>> ones overwrite the old?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not so sure it's hardware. If it were me I'd be looking at
>>>>> SW/driver before replacing an otherwise good running machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't computers fun...GL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It behaved the same way with two different wireless adaptors and two
>>>> different installs of WinXP Pro, and the latest install of XP did a
>>>> forced reformat of the hard drive. I'm confident the only wireless
>>>> drivers I am dealing with now are for the D-Link adaptor. As an aside,
>>>> the machine seems to not care about the USB 2.0 adaptor that also uses
>>>> the PCI bus. Maybe my hints at a bad power supply are not accurate ...
>>>>
>>>> Somebody suggested a interupt conflict, but there was no change in the
>>>> interupts between the time the machine worked okay and when it began
>>>> working poorly. No software or hardware had been installed or
>>>> modified, all we did was unplug the machine and set it up on another
>>>> table to pull our private files -- pictures, Word Documents, that sort
>>>> of stuff -- off of it.
>>>>
>>>> We've already replaced the machine, but I can find a new home for it
>>>> if I can make it run. It works fine in a stand alone environment, but
>>>> I really need it to be connected to the wireless network. I suppose I
>>>> could drag it close to the router and plug in a CAT 5 cable, but that
>>>> does not give me what I'm really looking for. And, that requires a NIC
>>>> card and a CAT 5 cable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hillew, my name is Sam,
>>> I am sorri you sim to bi having problims,
>>> Plise go to sistims divice and till mi if you have an conflics,

>>
>>
>> Whatr u tring 2 sa, Mo?
>>
>>

> Et appirs thee rich americen can not propirlee fex he's cmputour. I weel
> be right back, I hav too goo feeeed eliphent.


jus don tri 2 giff him an enema...

Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
him.

"The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no one
there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour before
a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It seems to be
just one of those freak accidents that proves... "---- happens."




=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 07:51 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:23:57 -0500, Moe wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:52:41 -0500, Moe wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:nps-DED5B9.16594007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>> In article <eD5ui.7625$dD3.2352@trnddc07>, "Jeff Strickland"
>>>>> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:nps-5E9355.16062407082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>>>>> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was
>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>> for a very long time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of
>>>>>>>> the garage
>>>>>>>> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are
>>>>>>>> normally unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until
>>>>>>>> I turned
>>>>>> it >> off
>>>>>>>> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and
>>>>>> now >> it
>>>>>>>> doesn't run.
>>>>>>> You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works
>>>>>>> fine?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Well, yeah. When the old heap is up on blocks, it runs fine. But
>>>>>> when I put
>>>>>> the tires on and take the jack stands out, it stalls again (to keep
>>>>>> my bad
>>>>>> analogy alive) ...
>>>>> I wonder if the old drivers are still in the computer or do the new
>>>>> ones overwrite the old?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not so sure it's hardware. If it were me I'd be looking at
>>>>> SW/driver before replacing an otherwise good running machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't computers fun...GL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It behaved the same way with two different wireless adaptors and two
>>>> different installs of WinXP Pro, and the latest install of XP did a
>>>> forced reformat of the hard drive. I'm confident the only wireless
>>>> drivers I am dealing with now are for the D-Link adaptor. As an aside,
>>>> the machine seems to not care about the USB 2.0 adaptor that also uses
>>>> the PCI bus. Maybe my hints at a bad power supply are not accurate ...
>>>>
>>>> Somebody suggested a interupt conflict, but there was no change in the
>>>> interupts between the time the machine worked okay and when it began
>>>> working poorly. No software or hardware had been installed or
>>>> modified, all we did was unplug the machine and set it up on another
>>>> table to pull our private files -- pictures, Word Documents, that sort
>>>> of stuff -- off of it.
>>>>
>>>> We've already replaced the machine, but I can find a new home for it
>>>> if I can make it run. It works fine in a stand alone environment, but
>>>> I really need it to be connected to the wireless network. I suppose I
>>>> could drag it close to the router and plug in a CAT 5 cable, but that
>>>> does not give me what I'm really looking for. And, that requires a NIC
>>>> card and a CAT 5 cable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hillew, my name is Sam,
>>> I am sorri you sim to bi having problims,
>>> Plise go to sistims divice and till mi if you have an conflics,

>>
>>
>> Whatr u tring 2 sa, Mo?
>>
>>

> Et appirs thee rich americen can not propirlee fex he's cmputour. I weel
> be right back, I hav too goo feeeed eliphent.


jus don tri 2 giff him an enema...

Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
him.

"The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no one
there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour before
a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It seems to be
just one of those freak accidents that proves... "---- happens."




=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 07:51 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:23:57 -0500, Moe wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:52:41 -0500, Moe wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:nps-DED5B9.16594007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>> In article <eD5ui.7625$dD3.2352@trnddc07>, "Jeff Strickland"
>>>>> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:nps-5E9355.16062407082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>>>>> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was
>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>> for a very long time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of
>>>>>>>> the garage
>>>>>>>> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are
>>>>>>>> normally unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until
>>>>>>>> I turned
>>>>>> it >> off
>>>>>>>> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and
>>>>>> now >> it
>>>>>>>> doesn't run.
>>>>>>> You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works
>>>>>>> fine?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Well, yeah. When the old heap is up on blocks, it runs fine. But
>>>>>> when I put
>>>>>> the tires on and take the jack stands out, it stalls again (to keep
>>>>>> my bad
>>>>>> analogy alive) ...
>>>>> I wonder if the old drivers are still in the computer or do the new
>>>>> ones overwrite the old?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not so sure it's hardware. If it were me I'd be looking at
>>>>> SW/driver before replacing an otherwise good running machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't computers fun...GL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It behaved the same way with two different wireless adaptors and two
>>>> different installs of WinXP Pro, and the latest install of XP did a
>>>> forced reformat of the hard drive. I'm confident the only wireless
>>>> drivers I am dealing with now are for the D-Link adaptor. As an aside,
>>>> the machine seems to not care about the USB 2.0 adaptor that also uses
>>>> the PCI bus. Maybe my hints at a bad power supply are not accurate ...
>>>>
>>>> Somebody suggested a interupt conflict, but there was no change in the
>>>> interupts between the time the machine worked okay and when it began
>>>> working poorly. No software or hardware had been installed or
>>>> modified, all we did was unplug the machine and set it up on another
>>>> table to pull our private files -- pictures, Word Documents, that sort
>>>> of stuff -- off of it.
>>>>
>>>> We've already replaced the machine, but I can find a new home for it
>>>> if I can make it run. It works fine in a stand alone environment, but
>>>> I really need it to be connected to the wireless network. I suppose I
>>>> could drag it close to the router and plug in a CAT 5 cable, but that
>>>> does not give me what I'm really looking for. And, that requires a NIC
>>>> card and a CAT 5 cable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hillew, my name is Sam,
>>> I am sorri you sim to bi having problims,
>>> Plise go to sistims divice and till mi if you have an conflics,

>>
>>
>> Whatr u tring 2 sa, Mo?
>>
>>

> Et appirs thee rich americen can not propirlee fex he's cmputour. I weel
> be right back, I hav too goo feeeed eliphent.


jus don tri 2 giff him an enema...

Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
him.

"The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no one
there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour before
a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It seems to be
just one of those freak accidents that proves... "---- happens."




=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 07:53 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:11:29 +0000, Jeff Strickland wrote:

>
> "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
> news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net>
>> said:
>>
>>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key
>>> code right before it crapped the first time after installing the
>>> wireless adaptor.
>>>
>>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power
>>> supply is an easy fix, and cheap too ...

>>
>> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an active
>> connection. Check it via
>> the Control Panel's icon.
>>
>>

> I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...



It doesn't have a built-in NIC? Most new MoBos and machines have a NIC
already installed, and the connection is near the USB ports as a rule.

I never liked them either, and the first MoBo I bought that had one
confirmed my suspicions...



=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 07:53 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:11:29 +0000, Jeff Strickland wrote:

>
> "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
> news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net>
>> said:
>>
>>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key
>>> code right before it crapped the first time after installing the
>>> wireless adaptor.
>>>
>>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power
>>> supply is an easy fix, and cheap too ...

>>
>> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an active
>> connection. Check it via
>> the Control Panel's icon.
>>
>>

> I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...



It doesn't have a built-in NIC? Most new MoBos and machines have a NIC
already installed, and the connection is near the USB ports as a rule.

I never liked them either, and the first MoBo I bought that had one
confirmed my suspicions...



=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 07:53 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:11:29 +0000, Jeff Strickland wrote:

>
> "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
> news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net>
>> said:
>>
>>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key
>>> code right before it crapped the first time after installing the
>>> wireless adaptor.
>>>
>>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power
>>> supply is an easy fix, and cheap too ...

>>
>> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an active
>> connection. Check it via
>> the Control Panel's icon.
>>
>>

> I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...



It doesn't have a built-in NIC? Most new MoBos and machines have a NIC
already installed, and the connection is near the USB ports as a rule.

I never liked them either, and the first MoBo I bought that had one
confirmed my suspicions...



=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 07:53 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:11:29 +0000, Jeff Strickland wrote:

>
> "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
> news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net>
>> said:
>>
>>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key
>>> code right before it crapped the first time after installing the
>>> wireless adaptor.
>>>
>>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power
>>> supply is an easy fix, and cheap too ...

>>
>> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an active
>> connection. Check it via
>> the Control Panel's icon.
>>
>>

> I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...



It doesn't have a built-in NIC? Most new MoBos and machines have a NIC
already installed, and the connection is near the USB ports as a rule.

I never liked them either, and the first MoBo I bought that had one
confirmed my suspicions...



Scott in Baltimore 08-07-2007 07:53 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the positions of all
the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve your problem.

Scott in Baltimore 08-07-2007 07:53 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the positions of all
the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve your problem.

Scott in Baltimore 08-07-2007 07:53 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the positions of all
the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve your problem.

Scott in Baltimore 08-07-2007 07:53 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the positions of all
the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve your problem.

witfal 08-07-2007 08:07 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:53:57 -0700, Scott in Baltimore
<sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> said:

> Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the
> positions of all
> the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve
> your problem.


He tried the wireless card in all slots with the same results.


witfal 08-07-2007 08:07 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:53:57 -0700, Scott in Baltimore
<sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> said:

> Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the
> positions of all
> the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve
> your problem.


He tried the wireless card in all slots with the same results.


witfal 08-07-2007 08:07 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:53:57 -0700, Scott in Baltimore
<sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> said:

> Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the
> positions of all
> the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve
> your problem.


He tried the wireless card in all slots with the same results.


witfal 08-07-2007 08:07 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:53:57 -0700, Scott in Baltimore
<sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> said:

> Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the
> positions of all
> the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve
> your problem.


He tried the wireless card in all slots with the same results.


witfal 08-07-2007 08:09 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:51:29 -0700, Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク <Trueno@AE86.gts> said:
> Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
> constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
> bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
> finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
> Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
> ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
> him.
>
> "The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
> Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
> unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
> him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no one
> there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour before
> a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It seems to be
> just one of those freak accidents that proves... "---- happens."


False:

http://www.snopes.com/critters/malice/feces.asp


witfal 08-07-2007 08:09 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:51:29 -0700, Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク <Trueno@AE86.gts> said:
> Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
> constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
> bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
> finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
> Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
> ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
> him.
>
> "The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
> Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
> unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
> him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no one
> there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour before
> a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It seems to be
> just one of those freak accidents that proves... "---- happens."


False:

http://www.snopes.com/critters/malice/feces.asp


witfal 08-07-2007 08:09 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:51:29 -0700, Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク <Trueno@AE86.gts> said:
> Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
> constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
> bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
> finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
> Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
> ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
> him.
>
> "The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
> Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
> unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
> him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no one
> there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour before
> a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It seems to be
> just one of those freak accidents that proves... "---- happens."


False:

http://www.snopes.com/critters/malice/feces.asp


witfal 08-07-2007 08:09 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On 2007-08-07 16:51:29 -0700, Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク <Trueno@AE86.gts> said:
> Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
> constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
> bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
> finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
> Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
> ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
> him.
>
> "The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
> Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
> unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
> him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no one
> there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour before
> a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It seems to be
> just one of those freak accidents that proves... "---- happens."


False:

http://www.snopes.com/critters/malice/feces.asp


Jeff Strickland 08-07-2007 08:16 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Swapped the PCI port for the wireless adaptor, no help. I've removed all PCI
cards, and swapped the wireless adaptor into the empty slots one at a time.
The problem persists.





"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:auWdnW5_CcxmmCTbnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the
> positions of all
> the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve your
> problem.



Jeff Strickland 08-07-2007 08:16 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Swapped the PCI port for the wireless adaptor, no help. I've removed all PCI
cards, and swapped the wireless adaptor into the empty slots one at a time.
The problem persists.





"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:auWdnW5_CcxmmCTbnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the
> positions of all
> the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve your
> problem.



Jeff Strickland 08-07-2007 08:16 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Swapped the PCI port for the wireless adaptor, no help. I've removed all PCI
cards, and swapped the wireless adaptor into the empty slots one at a time.
The problem persists.





"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:auWdnW5_CcxmmCTbnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the
> positions of all
> the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve your
> problem.



Jeff Strickland 08-07-2007 08:16 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
Swapped the PCI port for the wireless adaptor, no help. I've removed all PCI
cards, and swapped the wireless adaptor into the empty slots one at a time.
The problem persists.





"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:auWdnW5_CcxmmCTbnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Have all your drivers ready. Power down the system and switch the
> positions of all
> the PCI cards. This will case a driver/IRQ shuffle and _might_ solve your
> problem.



=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 08:22 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:09:00 -0700, witfal wrote:

> On 2007-08-07 16:51:29 -0700, Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク <Trueno@AE86.gts>
> said:
>> Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
>> constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
>> bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
>> finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
>> Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
>> ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
>> him.
>>
>> "The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
>> Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
>> unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
>> him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no
>> one there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour
>> before a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It
>> seems to be just one of those freak accidents that proves... "----
>> happens."

>
> False:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/critters/malice/feces.asp



(yeah, I know. I referenced the same Snopes article in the NG I found to
original post. Just want to make sure Moe doesn't get too overzealous with
that there elly-fant...)



=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 08:22 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:09:00 -0700, witfal wrote:

> On 2007-08-07 16:51:29 -0700, Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク <Trueno@AE86.gts>
> said:
>> Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
>> constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
>> bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
>> finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
>> Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
>> ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
>> him.
>>
>> "The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
>> Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
>> unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
>> him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no
>> one there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour
>> before a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It
>> seems to be just one of those freak accidents that proves... "----
>> happens."

>
> False:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/critters/malice/feces.asp



(yeah, I know. I referenced the same Snopes article in the NG I found to
original post. Just want to make sure Moe doesn't get too overzealous with
that there elly-fant...)



=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= 08-07-2007 08:22 PM

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:09:00 -0700, witfal wrote:

> On 2007-08-07 16:51:29 -0700, Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ-ク <Trueno@AE86.gts>
> said:
>> Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt (Paderborn, Germany) fed his
>> constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
>> bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged- up pachyderm
>> finally let it fly, and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!
>> Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the
>> ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
>> him.
>>
>> "The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr.
>> Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock and lay
>> unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
>> him" said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. With no
>> one there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour
>> before a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It
>> seems to be just one of those freak accidents that proves... "----
>> happens."

>
> False:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/critters/malice/feces.asp



(yeah, I know. I referenced the same Snopes article in the NG I found to
original post. Just want to make sure Moe doesn't get too overzealous with
that there elly-fant...)




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