PeterD

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:02:09 -0800, witfal <nospam@all4.me> wrote:


>> If you have no proof against it, I suggest you STFU.
>
>In case you missed it, Peter, you just got schooled.

Uh, yea, right...

PeterD

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:41:11 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether this
>individual has some first-hand experience of his own.
>
>The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see no reason
>for him to lie about that.
>
>Natalie
>

I will agree it is possible for the body to explode under certain
curmstances where abdominal fluids boil creating steam that can't
escape, but it is rare.

PeterD

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:22:09 GMT, Socks <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote:

>My wife and I haven't eaten fast food(or even eaten in a proper sit
>down restaurant for that matter) in over 6 years.

Me neither! I can't believe that people will eat that stuff. And
worse, feed it to their children?

PeterD

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:58:56 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive
>> after many hours or a couple of days?
>
>They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors,
>like wires.


Now that is funny... No basis in medicine but if you would like to
quote a reference I'll be glad to read it, and appologize if
appropriate. Otherwise, complete bull-ticky.

J. Clarke

PeterD wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:41:11 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
> <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether
>> this individual has some first-hand experience of his own.
>>
>> The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see
>> no
>> reason for him to lie about that.
>>
>> Natalie
>>
>
> I will agree it is possible for the body to explode under certain
> curmstances where abdominal fluids boil creating steam that can't
> escape, but it is rare.

Specially considering that one of the first things an undertaker does
is punch a vent pipe into the midsection.

--
--
--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Wickeddoll

"PeterD"
"Wickeddoll"
wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether this
>>individual has some first-hand experience of his own.
>>
>>The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see no
>>reason
>>for him to lie about that.
>>
>>Natalie
>>
>
> I will agree it is possible for the body to explode under certain
> curmstances where abdominal fluids boil creating steam that can't
> escape, but it is rare.

You said in an earlier post you've seen public cremation. In the open air,
the body will burn considerably faster than in a crematorium. Have you seen
through a viewer into a crematorium? I still think it's possible to react
the way the doc described.

He could have been shining me on, but I doubt it.

Natalie

Wickeddoll

"PeterD"
"Wickeddoll"
wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive
>>> after many hours or a couple of days?
>>
>>They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors,
>>like wires.
>
>
> Now that is funny... No basis in medicine but if you would like to
> quote a reference I'll be glad to read it, and appologize if
> appropriate. Otherwise, complete bull-ticky.

I'm not a doctor, but I do have a medical background.

Admittedly, this is anecdotal, but you still show me no reason to take your
word over his.

Natalie

Wickeddoll

"Socks" ...
>
>>Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the
>>sounds.
>>
>>This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a
>>cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the
>>body
>>starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead)
>>movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. It's
>>a
>>horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it!
>>
>>*shudder*
>>
>>Natalie
>>
> AWESOME!
> Now that would be worth seeing!

You're scary.

A troll says it's not true, but he has yet to prove otherwise.

Natalie

Wickeddoll

"Jeff Strickland"...
>
> "Wickeddoll" ..
>>
>> "Dave L" <...
>>>> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they were
>>>> holding it longer in my area, I would go again.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/
>>>>
>>>> Way cool!
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove up
>>> there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had no
>>> desire to go with him!).
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>
>> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did that,
>> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen them
>> all. I bought some souvenir stuff there.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
>
> NOT being a medical person, I was also amazed at the "how". The cool stuff
> that the "how" exposed was interesting, but the HOW was very neat.
>
> PS
> I have a spinal injury at L3/L4 (I think) and have constant pain shooting
> down the outside of my left leg. The BODIES exhibition showed me precisely
> the nerve bundle that causes the pain. It still hurts, but now I know why.
> Very cool stuff.

They explain how it's done, but it's still amazing. Can you imagine the
*time* it takes to pull out even the cauda equina (bundle of nerves at the
base of the spine, which resembles a horse's tail, hence the name).

Had to take months!

Natalie

Wickeddoll

"Pink Freud©®"
Wickeddoll wrote:
>
>>
>> "dbu'" ...
>>>> "Dave L"
>>>> >>>> >> > "Jeff Strickland" ...
>>>> >>>> >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If
>>>> >>>> >> >> they
>>>> >>>> >> >> were
>>>> >>>> >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again.
>>>> >>>> >> >>
>>>> >>>> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/
>>>> >>>> >> >>
>>>> >>>> >> >> Way cool!
>>>> >>>> >> >>
>>>> >>>> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ...
>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>> >>>> >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when
>>>> >>>> >> > I
>>>> >>>> >> > drove
>>>> >>>> >> > up
>>>> >>>> >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf
>>>> >>>> >> > had
>>>> >>>> >> > no
>>>> >>>> >> > desire to go with him!).
>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>> >>>> >> > -Dave
>>>> >>>> >> >
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they
>>>> >>>> >> did
>>>> >>>> >> that,
>>>> >>>> >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've
>>>> >>>> >> seen
>>>> >>>> >> them
>>>> >>>> >> all.
>>>> >>>> >> I bought some souvenir stuff there.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >> :-)
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >> Natalie
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people.
>>>> >>>> > --
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Dunno if you know this, but every cadaver in that exhibit was from
>>>> >>>> *volunteer* subjects. If it were homeless people, or something
>>>> >>>> like
>>>> >>>> that, I
>>>> >>>> would agree with you, but I think a person has a right to say what
>>>> >>>> happens
>>>> >>>> to their own remains.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Natalie
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Yes, I know that, but it, the exhibit, still seems very strange to
>>>> >>> me.
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Fair enough, but I just didn't think it was fair to condemn the
>>>> >> exhibit,
>>>> >> when participation in it was purely voluntary, that's all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's very effective, however. I think we tend to take our bodies
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> granted, and this exhibit shows the general public how truly amazing
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> practical our bodies are, though we abuse them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> They had a section of infants/embryos, which bore a sign informing
>>>> >> us
>>>> >> that these were all spontaneous deaths, but that the more sensitive
>>>> >> people should probably skip it. I thought everything they did was
>>>> >> very
>>>> >> respectful of the displays.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In the part of the exhibit about the respiratory system, it shows
>>>> >> healthy
>>>> >> lungs, and smoker's lungs. Right next to that is a clear box, in
>>>> >> which
>>>> >> you can throw your smoking supplies. There were a lot of them
>>>> >> there!
>>>> >> LOL Who knows if the folks who ditched the stuff stayed smoke-free,
>>>> >> but
>>>> >> at least it got their attention.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> :-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Natalie
>>>> >
>>>> > Yeah, I thought the displays of a smoker's lungs vs. healthy lungs
>>>> > would
>>>> > have grabbed some attention. It was amazing on the "how" they did
>>>> > that.
>>>> > At least it didn't smell like formaldehyde (from what I remember). I
>>>> > remember taking a look in one of my brother's college classes - a
>>>> > room
>>>> > of
>>>> > cadavers being examined and dissected. Came out of there still
>>>> > smelling
>>>> > the formaldehyde...
>>>> >
>>>> > -Dave
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but
>>>> the
>>>> sounds.
>>>>
>>>> This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a
>>>> cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the
>>>> body
>>>> starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead)
>>>> movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking.
>>>> It's a
>>>> horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it!
>>>>
>>>> *shudder*
>>>>
>>>> Natalie
>>>
>>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive
>>> after many hours or a couple of days?
>>
>> They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors,
>> like wires. I don't know if it's heat/friction that causes it, or what.
>> Haven't you heard of postmortem movement in a corpse? Happens all the
>> time.
>>
>> Natalie
>
>
> It's referred to as 'animal electricity'.
>
> Luigi Galvani and all that.....
>
> Static electricity would be enough to trigger a reaction.
>
>
>
> --
>
Thanks for your input! There's a troll who's disputing this, but hasn't
offered any proof to prove the doc was lying to me.

Until then, I believe him.

Natalie