Dave L

"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I characterize it as macabre. Sorry, but that's how I see it.
>>> >>
>>> >> I would *like* see it - on an interesting, intellectual plane. But
>>> >> don't
>>> >> think my involuntary reaction(s) - which reside on another plane -
>>> >> would
>>> >> allow me to.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cathy
>>> >
>>> > It's a sort of macabre form of entertainment for many. Not me.
>>>
>>> No, I don't think it's even supposed to be a form of entertainment.
>>> More
>>> like acquisition of knowledge; a better understanding of our own bodies.
>>> Granted, learning about a topic can be entertaining (as in interesting),
>>> but
>>> not in the same way you're using ther term, is my guess. We're not
>>> approaching this from the same angle, that's pretty obvious.
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>
>> Most who view this so called exhibit don't view it the same as you, from
>> a purely scientific state of mind I would guess. It is a Saturday
>> afternoon entertainment.
>
> Um, it's not "so-called" - it really is an exhibit. Not sure why you'd
> say it wasn't. I mean, a horrible car accident is on display as well, but
> that would draw curious, maybe even ghoulish spectators.
>
> Having said that, the folks I saw seemed to be in awe, rather than
> morbidly curious, but since I can't read minds, I can't be sure.
>
> :-)
>
> Natalie

Besides, this is something you have to voluntarily PAY to go see. Hopefully
you'd have an idea of what you were walking into!

-Dave

EdV

On Jan 6, 8:41 pm, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I re-read my original post, and realize I didn't mention that this
> description of cremation is *second-hand* A pathologist I knew in the 80s
> told me about it. If I had seen it myself, I would say so.
>
> I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether this
> individual has some first-hand experience of his own.
>
> The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see no reason
> for him to lie about that.
>
> Natalie

Was it possible he was just trying to get inside your

running and ducking

Socks

>Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the
>sounds.
>
>This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a
>cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the body
>starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead)
>movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. It's a
>horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it!
>
>*shudder*
>
>Natalie
>
AWESOME!
Now that would be worth seeing!

Socks

My wife and I haven't eaten fast food(or even eaten in a proper sit
down restaurant for that matter) in over 6 years.

Jeff Strickland

"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave L" <...
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" ...
>>> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they were
>>> holding it longer in my area, I would go again.
>>>
>>> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/
>>>
>>> Way cool!
>>>
>>> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ...
>>
>>
>> Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove up
>> there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had no
>> desire to go with him!).
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>
> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did that,
> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen them all.
> I bought some souvenir stuff there.
>
> :-)
>


NOT being a medical person, I was also amazed at the "how". The cool stuff
that the "how" exposed was interesting, but the HOW was very neat.

PS
I have a spinal injury at L3/L4 (I think) and have constant pain shooting
down the outside of my left leg. The BODIES exhibition showed me precisely
the nerve bundle that causes the pain. It still hurts, but now I know why.
Very cool stuff.

Jeff Strickland

"dbu'" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
news:nospam-43DDFD.15270705012008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <flo05t.218.1@news.evilcabal.org>,
> "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Dave L" <...
>> >
>> > "Jeff Strickland" ...
>> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they were
>> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/
>> >>
>> >> Way cool!
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ...
>> >
>> >
>> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove
>> > up
>> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had no
>> > desire to go with him!).
>> >
>> > -Dave
>> >
>>
>> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did that,
>> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen them
>> all.
>> I bought some souvenir stuff there.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Natalie
>
> I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people.
> --
>

I do not agree.

I think it gives lay-persons an excellent insight into the human body, and
the mechanics that lay beneath the skin. Sure, it takes dead people to show
us this stuff, but it is a program that is well worth the price of
admission. They didn't kill the cadavers in order to bring the show to us
common-folk, so I don't see anything wrong with the show, per se.

I went in with a substantial queasiness, but after I got in and experienced
the exhibition, I was fine. It was very cool.

=?iso-8859-1?q?Pink_Freud=A9=AE?=

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:58:56 -0500, Wickeddoll wrote:

>
> "dbu'" ...
>> "Wickeddoll" wrote:
>>
>>> "Dave L"
>>> > "Wickeddoll" ...
>>> >>
>>> >> "dbu'"
>>> >>>> >> "Dave L" <...
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > "Jeff Strickland" ...
>>> >>>> >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If
>>> >>>> >> >> they
>>> >>>> >> >> were
>>> >>>> >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again.
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >> Way cool!
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ...
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I
>>> >>>> >> > drove
>>> >>>> >> > up
>>> >>>> >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf
>>> >>>> >> > had
>>> >>>> >> > no
>>> >>>> >> > desire to go with him!).
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > -Dave
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they
>>> >>>> >> did
>>> >>>> >> that,
>>> >>>> >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen
>>> >>>> >> them
>>> >>>> >> all.
>>> >>>> >> I bought some souvenir stuff there.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> :-)
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> Natalie
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people.
>>> >>>> > --
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Dunno if you know this, but every cadaver in that exhibit was from
>>> >>>> *volunteer* subjects. If it were homeless people, or something like
>>> >>>> that, I
>>> >>>> would agree with you, but I think a person has a right to say what
>>> >>>> happens
>>> >>>> to their own remains.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Natalie
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Yes, I know that, but it, the exhibit, still seems very strange to
>>> >>> me.
>>> >>> --
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Fair enough, but I just didn't think it was fair to condemn the
>>> >> exhibit,
>>> >> when participation in it was purely voluntary, that's all.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's very effective, however. I think we tend to take our bodies for
>>> >> granted, and this exhibit shows the general public how truly amazing
>>> >> and
>>> >> practical our bodies are, though we abuse them.
>>> >>
>>> >> They had a section of infants/embryos, which bore a sign informing us
>>> >> that these were all spontaneous deaths, but that the more sensitive
>>> >> people should probably skip it. I thought everything they did was
>>> >> very
>>> >> respectful of the displays.
>>> >>
>>> >> In the part of the exhibit about the respiratory system, it shows
>>> >> healthy
>>> >> lungs, and smoker's lungs. Right next to that is a clear box, in
>>> >> which
>>> >> you can throw your smoking supplies. There were a lot of them there!
>>> >> LOL Who knows if the folks who ditched the stuff stayed smoke-free,
>>> >> but
>>> >> at least it got their attention.
>>> >>
>>> >> :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> Natalie
>>> >
>>> > Yeah, I thought the displays of a smoker's lungs vs. healthy lungs
>>> > would
>>> > have grabbed some attention. It was amazing on the "how" they did
>>> > that.
>>> > At least it didn't smell like formaldehyde (from what I remember). I
>>> > remember taking a look in one of my brother's college classes - a room
>>> > of
>>> > cadavers being examined and dissected. Came out of there still
>>> > smelling
>>> > the formaldehyde...
>>> >
>>> > -Dave
>>> >
>>>
>>> Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the
>>> sounds.
>>>
>>> This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a
>>> cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the
>>> body
>>> starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead)
>>> movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking.
>>> It's a
>>> horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it!
>>>
>>> *shudder*
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>
>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive
>> after many hours or a couple of days?
>
> They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors,
> like wires. I don't know if it's heat/friction that causes it, or what.
> Haven't you heard of postmortem movement in a corpse? Happens all the time.
>
> Natalie


It's referred to as 'animal electricity'.

Luigi Galvani and all that.....

Static electricity would be enough to trigger a reaction.



--
Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
on the unthinking.

-John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)

sharx35

"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave L"
>> "Wickeddoll" ...
>>>
>>> "dbu'"
>>>>> >> "Dave L" <...
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > "Jeff Strickland" ...
>>>>> >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If
>>>>> >> >> they were
>>>>> >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Way cool!
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ...
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I
>>>>> >> > drove
>>>>> >> > up
>>>>> >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had
>>>>> >> > no
>>>>> >> > desire to go with him!).
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > -Dave
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did
>>>>> >> that,
>>>>> >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen
>>>>> >> them
>>>>> >> all.
>>>>> >> I bought some souvenir stuff there.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> :-)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Natalie
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people.
>>>>> > --
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Dunno if you know this, but every cadaver in that exhibit was from
>>>>> *volunteer* subjects. If it were homeless people, or something like
>>>>> that, I
>>>>> would agree with you, but I think a person has a right to say what
>>>>> happens
>>>>> to their own remains.
>>>>>
>>>>> Natalie
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I know that, but it, the exhibit, still seems very strange to me.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fair enough, but I just didn't think it was fair to condemn the exhibit,
>>> when participation in it was purely voluntary, that's all.
>>>
>>> It's very effective, however. I think we tend to take our bodies for
>>> granted, and this exhibit shows the general public how truly amazing and
>>> practical our bodies are, though we abuse them.
>>>
>>> They had a section of infants/embryos, which bore a sign informing us
>>> that these were all spontaneous deaths, but that the more sensitive
>>> people should probably skip it. I thought everything they did was very
>>> respectful of the displays.
>>>
>>> In the part of the exhibit about the respiratory system, it shows
>>> healthy lungs, and smoker's lungs. Right next to that is a clear box,
>>> in which you can throw your smoking supplies. There were a lot of them
>>> there! LOL Who knows if the folks who ditched the stuff stayed
>>> smoke-free, but at least it got their attention.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>
>> Yeah, I thought the displays of a smoker's lungs vs. healthy lungs would
>> have grabbed some attention. It was amazing on the "how" they did that.
>> At least it didn't smell like formaldehyde (from what I remember). I
>> remember taking a look in one of my brother's college classes - a room of
>> cadavers being examined and dissected. Came out of there still smelling
>> the formaldehyde...
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>
> Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the
> sounds.
>
> This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a
> cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the
> body starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead)
> movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. It's
> a horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it!
>
> *shudder*
>
> Natalie

In Alberta, the law requires that the body be in a closed container when
inserted into the crematory.



>
>

sharx35

"witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
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> On 2008-01-06 17:02:46 -0800, dbu' <nospam@nospam.moc> said:
>
>>>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive
>>>> after many hours or a couple of days?
>>>
>>> They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors,
>>> like wires. I don't know if it's heat/friction that causes it, or what.
>>> Haven't you heard of postmortem movement in a corpse? Happens all the
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>
>> But no more than what it takes for rigor mortis to set in. A few hours
>> at most.
>
> Rigor is not permanent. It goes away after three or four days.
>

That is correct.

PeterD

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:13:19 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote:


>>
>> See, and this is all true, because it is on the Internet. Absolutely
>> true. Dear Allat, I swear it. True. Really. Honest.
>
>You have a differing view? Post your experience.
>
>If you have no proof against it, I suggest you STFU.
>
>Natalie
>

Bwa-ha-ha-ha...

Yes, I've seen many, lived for years in a culture where cremation was
both public and common place. Never, ever was that ever seen by me, or
anyone that I know of.

The poster wanted to create a troll, and she succeeded. Posted
complete -------- and that is a fact.