L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I feel like Superman, fighting for the American way! But if you'd
looked at what they were going to try, and had any American Hot Rodder
in you at all you'd know their combination wouldn't work anyway.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Joe wrote:
>
> And yet again you continue to be an idiot.

Dave Milne

great idea !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Dave Hildebrand" <dave@cahuenga.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.58.0405281650250.27239@torquay.cah uenga.com...
> A project is currently under way to facilitate the conversions of the CJ
> (and YJ, et al) to diesel power, utilizing various suitable retrofits. If
> you have any interest in diesel conversions, you are invited to join our
> non-commercial development group:
>
> http://www.jeep2diesel.org
>
> and our open web BBS:
>
> http://messages.jeep2diesel.org
>
> We are all putting our heads together.
>
> David Hildebrand
> Jeep2Diesel.org

Dave Milne

great idea !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Dave Hildebrand" <dave@cahuenga.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.58.0405281650250.27239@torquay.cah uenga.com...
> A project is currently under way to facilitate the conversions of the CJ
> (and YJ, et al) to diesel power, utilizing various suitable retrofits. If
> you have any interest in diesel conversions, you are invited to join our
> non-commercial development group:
>
> http://www.jeep2diesel.org
>
> and our open web BBS:
>
> http://messages.jeep2diesel.org
>
> We are all putting our heads together.
>
> David Hildebrand
> Jeep2Diesel.org

Dave Milne

great idea !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Dave Hildebrand" <dave@cahuenga.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.58.0405281650250.27239@torquay.cah uenga.com...
> A project is currently under way to facilitate the conversions of the CJ
> (and YJ, et al) to diesel power, utilizing various suitable retrofits. If
> you have any interest in diesel conversions, you are invited to join our
> non-commercial development group:
>
> http://www.jeep2diesel.org
>
> and our open web BBS:
>
> http://messages.jeep2diesel.org
>
> We are all putting our heads together.
>
> David Hildebrand
> Jeep2Diesel.org

Dave Milne

great idea !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Dave Hildebrand" <dave@cahuenga.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.58.0405281650250.27239@torquay.cah uenga.com...
> A project is currently under way to facilitate the conversions of the CJ
> (and YJ, et al) to diesel power, utilizing various suitable retrofits. If
> you have any interest in diesel conversions, you are invited to join our
> non-commercial development group:
>
> http://www.jeep2diesel.org
>
> and our open web BBS:
>
> http://messages.jeep2diesel.org
>
> We are all putting our heads together.
>
> David Hildebrand
> Jeep2Diesel.org

Dave Milne

All fair enough points for diesels 25 years ago (although my dad's diesel
did 550,000 miles and was still going strong before the car it was in gave
up). Modern diesels are completely different ! They are quiet and not smelly
(we do have considerably cleaner diesel than you though). I went in my
friend's Renault estate diesel last weekend - its a 16' car with a fairly
normal 2.2 litre diesel, but it would (and did that weekend !) do in excess
of 130mph.
The BMW ones are even better ; the BMW 330cd 3 litre has 200bhp, a top
speed of 149 with a fuel consumption of 43.5 mpg.

And as for your TDI ...regarding EU 2010 emission legislation:

Cars like the VW Golf TDI will most likely have to be discontinued without
expensive upgrades using soot particle filter and NOx catalyst, which may
cost more than the engine itself and also penalise the fuel economy. "The
diesel will not be abolished", predicts VW boss Bernd Pischetsrieder

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ


"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:c98ui5010ce@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> "Joe" <spam@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:fmtfb09rf375pnd9j3rrqedo5nnd88c5a6@4ax.com...
> > > Good, one or two less diesels on the road.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >
> > And yet again you continue to be an idiot.
>
> Bravo, Bill, any foe of diesel's is a friend of mine!
>
> When I was a VW tech back in the late 70's & early 80's I cursed Dr.
> Diesel's name every day. Then I became a field rep for VW and went looking
> for the bastards grave so I could defile his corpse!
>
> My tools are still black from replacing countless cracked blocks, worn
> cranks, warped heads, fouled injectors, bad injection pumps, sheesh! With
> the stench of diesel fuel stuck in my nose for years I applauded loudly
when
> GMs junk diesels bit the dust so bad it was all but certain the
clattering
> demons from Hell would never rise again to plague the public..... BUT
NO!!!
> Now someone wants to bring the stinking POS's back from the depths of the
> infernal regions where they belong. NEVER!!
>
>

Dave Milne

All fair enough points for diesels 25 years ago (although my dad's diesel
did 550,000 miles and was still going strong before the car it was in gave
up). Modern diesels are completely different ! They are quiet and not smelly
(we do have considerably cleaner diesel than you though). I went in my
friend's Renault estate diesel last weekend - its a 16' car with a fairly
normal 2.2 litre diesel, but it would (and did that weekend !) do in excess
of 130mph.
The BMW ones are even better ; the BMW 330cd 3 litre has 200bhp, a top
speed of 149 with a fuel consumption of 43.5 mpg.

And as for your TDI ...regarding EU 2010 emission legislation:

Cars like the VW Golf TDI will most likely have to be discontinued without
expensive upgrades using soot particle filter and NOx catalyst, which may
cost more than the engine itself and also penalise the fuel economy. "The
diesel will not be abolished", predicts VW boss Bernd Pischetsrieder

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ


"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:c98ui5010ce@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> "Joe" <spam@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:fmtfb09rf375pnd9j3rrqedo5nnd88c5a6@4ax.com...
> > > Good, one or two less diesels on the road.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >
> > And yet again you continue to be an idiot.
>
> Bravo, Bill, any foe of diesel's is a friend of mine!
>
> When I was a VW tech back in the late 70's & early 80's I cursed Dr.
> Diesel's name every day. Then I became a field rep for VW and went looking
> for the bastards grave so I could defile his corpse!
>
> My tools are still black from replacing countless cracked blocks, worn
> cranks, warped heads, fouled injectors, bad injection pumps, sheesh! With
> the stench of diesel fuel stuck in my nose for years I applauded loudly
when
> GMs junk diesels bit the dust so bad it was all but certain the
clattering
> demons from Hell would never rise again to plague the public..... BUT
NO!!!
> Now someone wants to bring the stinking POS's back from the depths of the
> infernal regions where they belong. NEVER!!
>
>

Dave Milne

All fair enough points for diesels 25 years ago (although my dad's diesel
did 550,000 miles and was still going strong before the car it was in gave
up). Modern diesels are completely different ! They are quiet and not smelly
(we do have considerably cleaner diesel than you though). I went in my
friend's Renault estate diesel last weekend - its a 16' car with a fairly
normal 2.2 litre diesel, but it would (and did that weekend !) do in excess
of 130mph.
The BMW ones are even better ; the BMW 330cd 3 litre has 200bhp, a top
speed of 149 with a fuel consumption of 43.5 mpg.

And as for your TDI ...regarding EU 2010 emission legislation:

Cars like the VW Golf TDI will most likely have to be discontinued without
expensive upgrades using soot particle filter and NOx catalyst, which may
cost more than the engine itself and also penalise the fuel economy. "The
diesel will not be abolished", predicts VW boss Bernd Pischetsrieder

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ


"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:c98ui5010ce@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> "Joe" <spam@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:fmtfb09rf375pnd9j3rrqedo5nnd88c5a6@4ax.com...
> > > Good, one or two less diesels on the road.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >
> > And yet again you continue to be an idiot.
>
> Bravo, Bill, any foe of diesel's is a friend of mine!
>
> When I was a VW tech back in the late 70's & early 80's I cursed Dr.
> Diesel's name every day. Then I became a field rep for VW and went looking
> for the bastards grave so I could defile his corpse!
>
> My tools are still black from replacing countless cracked blocks, worn
> cranks, warped heads, fouled injectors, bad injection pumps, sheesh! With
> the stench of diesel fuel stuck in my nose for years I applauded loudly
when
> GMs junk diesels bit the dust so bad it was all but certain the
clattering
> demons from Hell would never rise again to plague the public..... BUT
NO!!!
> Now someone wants to bring the stinking POS's back from the depths of the
> infernal regions where they belong. NEVER!!
>
>

Dave Milne

All fair enough points for diesels 25 years ago (although my dad's diesel
did 550,000 miles and was still going strong before the car it was in gave
up). Modern diesels are completely different ! They are quiet and not smelly
(we do have considerably cleaner diesel than you though). I went in my
friend's Renault estate diesel last weekend - its a 16' car with a fairly
normal 2.2 litre diesel, but it would (and did that weekend !) do in excess
of 130mph.
The BMW ones are even better ; the BMW 330cd 3 litre has 200bhp, a top
speed of 149 with a fuel consumption of 43.5 mpg.

And as for your TDI ...regarding EU 2010 emission legislation:

Cars like the VW Golf TDI will most likely have to be discontinued without
expensive upgrades using soot particle filter and NOx catalyst, which may
cost more than the engine itself and also penalise the fuel economy. "The
diesel will not be abolished", predicts VW boss Bernd Pischetsrieder

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ


"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:c98ui5010ce@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> "Joe" <spam@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:fmtfb09rf375pnd9j3rrqedo5nnd88c5a6@4ax.com...
> > > Good, one or two less diesels on the road.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >
> > And yet again you continue to be an idiot.
>
> Bravo, Bill, any foe of diesel's is a friend of mine!
>
> When I was a VW tech back in the late 70's & early 80's I cursed Dr.
> Diesel's name every day. Then I became a field rep for VW and went looking
> for the bastards grave so I could defile his corpse!
>
> My tools are still black from replacing countless cracked blocks, worn
> cranks, warped heads, fouled injectors, bad injection pumps, sheesh! With
> the stench of diesel fuel stuck in my nose for years I applauded loudly
when
> GMs junk diesels bit the dust so bad it was all but certain the
clattering
> demons from Hell would never rise again to plague the public..... BUT
NO!!!
> Now someone wants to bring the stinking POS's back from the depths of the
> infernal regions where they belong. NEVER!!
>
>

F. Robert Falbo

On Fri, 28 May 2004 17:04:02 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:

> Good, one or two less diesels on the road.

Try reading Road & Track, June'04, pg43 - Test of the Benz E320 CDI.
(Unless you prefer to remain a Luddite)

-bob- (13 years of turboDiesel ownership)