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Re: ZJ springs
Not as of yet. He's in a hurry to sell and I'm still cross country. I listed
it on the Richmond Jeepers board for him. If he's still got it whenever I get back over there, I'll probably buy it from him, but at that price, it'll be gone. No matter, I'm happy to build my XJ a little. I'm thinking a 3.5" RE lift, lunchbox locker in the rear, and some 31" M/T's. Eventually I'll boost it with a 3" coil spring spacer, 1.5" block and 1.5" shackle and a long arm kit. When the springs wear out, I'll replace them with 6 or 7" ones. The trick is to build what you can upgrade and re-use as much as you can. I know a lot of people who buy a small lift, then a big lift, and ect. It's called 'incrementalism' and it is a huge waste of money. Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ergk65$ik7$1@aioe.org... > There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links, there's > plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker guards, maybe a > cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know that much. It'll be > a while before I start trying to link anything. FWIW, my brother-in-law's > father is a master welder, so I'll have help learning. I also need to > look into a class around here. > > By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? > > Carl S wrote: >> If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of >> pictures and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an >> experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control >> arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be >> PERFECT. >> >> Let me know what you decide what to do. >> >> Carl >> >> >> >> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >>> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", >>> obviously depending on the wear. >>> >>> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only >>> thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know >>> how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >>> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >>> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, >>> etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my >>> own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's >>> why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something >>> on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a >>> challenge. >>> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank >>> account gains some weight. >>> >>> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I >>> figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >>> >>> Carl S wrote: >>>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were >>>> great. Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, >>>> everything must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have >>>> to ask, you shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding >>>> XJ leafs to your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one >>>> leaf and a 1.5" shackle. >>>> >>>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>>> >>>> Carl >> |
Re: ZJ springs
I'd offer to take delivery of it for you, but my house is already a used
car lot, I just don't know where I'd put it. I don't see any reason to incrementalize my builds because I don't have the cash for it and redundant building of any kind bothers me. I'm all about stuff that I can reuse and like most Jeepers, I have no problem hitting the junkyards. And I definitely want to utilize the sawzall where I can as opposed to trying to put 10" of lift on. I definitely like the way RE puts their kits together, it seems like you can buy one kit and then upgrade it as your truck progresses. In a way, it's incrementalism, but it seems like a more logical version. From what I've heard, they're pretty quality too. What size tires are you running on the XJ now? By the way, I think I'm going to Herculine the XJ, since I'm already gonna hit the two YJs. Should be sweet. Carl S wrote: > Not as of yet. He's in a hurry to sell and I'm still cross country. I listed > it on the Richmond Jeepers board for him. If he's still got it whenever I > get back over there, I'll probably buy it from him, but at that price, it'll > be gone. No matter, I'm happy to build my XJ a little. I'm thinking a 3.5" > RE lift, lunchbox locker in the rear, and some 31" M/T's. > > Eventually I'll boost it with a 3" coil spring spacer, 1.5" block and 1.5" > shackle and a long arm kit. When the springs wear out, I'll replace them > with 6 or 7" ones. > > The trick is to build what you can upgrade and re-use as much as you can. I > know a lot of people who buy a small lift, then a big lift, and ect. It's > called 'incrementalism' and it is a huge waste of money. > > Carl > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:ergk65$ik7$1@aioe.org... >> There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links, there's >> plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker guards, maybe a >> cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know that much. It'll be >> a while before I start trying to link anything. FWIW, my brother-in-law's >> father is a master welder, so I'll have help learning. I also need to >> look into a class around here. >> >> By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? >> >> Carl S wrote: >>> If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of >>> pictures and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an >>> experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control >>> arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be >>> PERFECT. >>> >>> Let me know what you decide what to do. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> >>> >>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >>>> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", >>>> obviously depending on the wear. >>>> >>>> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only >>>> thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know >>>> how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >>>> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >>>> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, >>>> etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my >>>> own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's >>>> why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something >>>> on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a >>>> challenge. >>>> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank >>>> account gains some weight. >>>> >>>> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I >>>> figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >>>> >>>> Carl S wrote: >>>>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were >>>>> great. Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, >>>>> everything must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have >>>>> to ask, you shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding >>>>> XJ leafs to your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one >>>>> leaf and a 1.5" shackle. >>>>> >>>>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>>>> >>>>> Carl > |
Re: ZJ springs
I'd offer to take delivery of it for you, but my house is already a used
car lot, I just don't know where I'd put it. I don't see any reason to incrementalize my builds because I don't have the cash for it and redundant building of any kind bothers me. I'm all about stuff that I can reuse and like most Jeepers, I have no problem hitting the junkyards. And I definitely want to utilize the sawzall where I can as opposed to trying to put 10" of lift on. I definitely like the way RE puts their kits together, it seems like you can buy one kit and then upgrade it as your truck progresses. In a way, it's incrementalism, but it seems like a more logical version. From what I've heard, they're pretty quality too. What size tires are you running on the XJ now? By the way, I think I'm going to Herculine the XJ, since I'm already gonna hit the two YJs. Should be sweet. Carl S wrote: > Not as of yet. He's in a hurry to sell and I'm still cross country. I listed > it on the Richmond Jeepers board for him. If he's still got it whenever I > get back over there, I'll probably buy it from him, but at that price, it'll > be gone. No matter, I'm happy to build my XJ a little. I'm thinking a 3.5" > RE lift, lunchbox locker in the rear, and some 31" M/T's. > > Eventually I'll boost it with a 3" coil spring spacer, 1.5" block and 1.5" > shackle and a long arm kit. When the springs wear out, I'll replace them > with 6 or 7" ones. > > The trick is to build what you can upgrade and re-use as much as you can. I > know a lot of people who buy a small lift, then a big lift, and ect. It's > called 'incrementalism' and it is a huge waste of money. > > Carl > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:ergk65$ik7$1@aioe.org... >> There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links, there's >> plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker guards, maybe a >> cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know that much. It'll be >> a while before I start trying to link anything. FWIW, my brother-in-law's >> father is a master welder, so I'll have help learning. I also need to >> look into a class around here. >> >> By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? >> >> Carl S wrote: >>> If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of >>> pictures and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an >>> experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control >>> arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be >>> PERFECT. >>> >>> Let me know what you decide what to do. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> >>> >>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >>>> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", >>>> obviously depending on the wear. >>>> >>>> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only >>>> thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know >>>> how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >>>> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >>>> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, >>>> etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my >>>> own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's >>>> why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something >>>> on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a >>>> challenge. >>>> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank >>>> account gains some weight. >>>> >>>> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I >>>> figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >>>> >>>> Carl S wrote: >>>>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were >>>>> great. Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, >>>>> everything must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have >>>>> to ask, you shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding >>>>> XJ leafs to your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one >>>>> leaf and a 1.5" shackle. >>>>> >>>>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>>>> >>>>> Carl > |
Re: ZJ springs
I'd offer to take delivery of it for you, but my house is already a used
car lot, I just don't know where I'd put it. I don't see any reason to incrementalize my builds because I don't have the cash for it and redundant building of any kind bothers me. I'm all about stuff that I can reuse and like most Jeepers, I have no problem hitting the junkyards. And I definitely want to utilize the sawzall where I can as opposed to trying to put 10" of lift on. I definitely like the way RE puts their kits together, it seems like you can buy one kit and then upgrade it as your truck progresses. In a way, it's incrementalism, but it seems like a more logical version. From what I've heard, they're pretty quality too. What size tires are you running on the XJ now? By the way, I think I'm going to Herculine the XJ, since I'm already gonna hit the two YJs. Should be sweet. Carl S wrote: > Not as of yet. He's in a hurry to sell and I'm still cross country. I listed > it on the Richmond Jeepers board for him. If he's still got it whenever I > get back over there, I'll probably buy it from him, but at that price, it'll > be gone. No matter, I'm happy to build my XJ a little. I'm thinking a 3.5" > RE lift, lunchbox locker in the rear, and some 31" M/T's. > > Eventually I'll boost it with a 3" coil spring spacer, 1.5" block and 1.5" > shackle and a long arm kit. When the springs wear out, I'll replace them > with 6 or 7" ones. > > The trick is to build what you can upgrade and re-use as much as you can. I > know a lot of people who buy a small lift, then a big lift, and ect. It's > called 'incrementalism' and it is a huge waste of money. > > Carl > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:ergk65$ik7$1@aioe.org... >> There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links, there's >> plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker guards, maybe a >> cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know that much. It'll be >> a while before I start trying to link anything. FWIW, my brother-in-law's >> father is a master welder, so I'll have help learning. I also need to >> look into a class around here. >> >> By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? >> >> Carl S wrote: >>> If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of >>> pictures and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an >>> experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control >>> arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be >>> PERFECT. >>> >>> Let me know what you decide what to do. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> >>> >>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >>>> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", >>>> obviously depending on the wear. >>>> >>>> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only >>>> thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know >>>> how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >>>> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >>>> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, >>>> etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my >>>> own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's >>>> why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something >>>> on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a >>>> challenge. >>>> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank >>>> account gains some weight. >>>> >>>> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I >>>> figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >>>> >>>> Carl S wrote: >>>>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were >>>>> great. Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, >>>>> everything must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have >>>>> to ask, you shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding >>>>> XJ leafs to your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one >>>>> leaf and a 1.5" shackle. >>>>> >>>>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>>>> >>>>> Carl > |
Re: ZJ springs
Always avoid incrementalism whenever possible. I suppose I will be going the
incremental route, but I will be able to sell the LCA's that come with the 3.5" lift kit, and I'll run the 3.5" springs till they are no good, or sell them when I get the taller springs. One good thing about the way I will be doing is it that I don't have to do it all at once. I can do the initial lift, then the Long arms with the budget boost, then the SYE, then the springs. Helps to break up the cost and time. Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ergljs$m2l$1@aioe.org... > I'd offer to take delivery of it for you, but my house is already a used > car lot, I just don't know where I'd put it. > > I don't see any reason to incrementalize my builds because I don't have > the cash for it and redundant building of any kind bothers me. I'm all > about stuff that I can reuse and like most Jeepers, I have no problem > hitting the junkyards. And I definitely want to utilize the sawzall where > I can as opposed to trying to put 10" of lift on. > > I definitely like the way RE puts their kits together, it seems like you > can buy one kit and then upgrade it as your truck progresses. In a way, > it's incrementalism, but it seems like a more logical version. From what > I've heard, they're pretty quality too. > > What size tires are you running on the XJ now? > > By the way, I think I'm going to Herculine the XJ, since I'm already gonna > hit the two YJs. Should be sweet. > > > Carl S wrote: >> Not as of yet. He's in a hurry to sell and I'm still cross country. I >> listed it on the Richmond Jeepers board for him. If he's still got it >> whenever I get back over there, I'll probably buy it from him, but at >> that price, it'll be gone. No matter, I'm happy to build my XJ a little. >> I'm thinking a 3.5" RE lift, lunchbox locker in the rear, and some 31" >> M/T's. >> >> Eventually I'll boost it with a 3" coil spring spacer, 1.5" block and >> 1.5" shackle and a long arm kit. When the springs wear out, I'll replace >> them with 6 or 7" ones. >> >> The trick is to build what you can upgrade and re-use as much as you can. >> I know a lot of people who buy a small lift, then a big lift, and ect. >> It's called 'incrementalism' and it is a huge waste of money. >> >> Carl >> >> >> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:ergk65$ik7$1@aioe.org... >>> There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links, >>> there's plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker >>> guards, maybe a cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know >>> that much. It'll be a while before I start trying to link anything. >>> FWIW, my brother-in-law's father is a master welder, so I'll have help >>> learning. I also need to look into a class around here. >>> >>> By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? >>> >>> Carl S wrote: >>>> If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of >>>> pictures and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't >>>> an experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. >>>> Control arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must >>>> be PERFECT. >>>> >>>> Let me know what you decide what to do. >>>> >>>> Carl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >>>>> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about >>>>> 1.5", obviously depending on the wear. >>>>> >>>>> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only >>>>> thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't >>>>> know how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >>>>> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >>>>> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering >>>>> setups, etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart >>>>> for my own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my >>>>> head. That's why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of >>>>> putting something on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, >>>>> mostly, I love a challenge. >>>>> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my >>>>> bank account gains some weight. >>>>> >>>>> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what >>>>> I figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >>>>> >>>>> Carl S wrote: >>>>>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were >>>>>> great. Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, >>>>>> everything must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you >>>>>> have to ask, you shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from >>>>>> adding XJ leafs to your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe >>>>>> add one leaf and a 1.5" shackle. >>>>>> >>>>>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>>>>> >>>>>> Carl >> |
Re: ZJ springs
Always avoid incrementalism whenever possible. I suppose I will be going the
incremental route, but I will be able to sell the LCA's that come with the 3.5" lift kit, and I'll run the 3.5" springs till they are no good, or sell them when I get the taller springs. One good thing about the way I will be doing is it that I don't have to do it all at once. I can do the initial lift, then the Long arms with the budget boost, then the SYE, then the springs. Helps to break up the cost and time. Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ergljs$m2l$1@aioe.org... > I'd offer to take delivery of it for you, but my house is already a used > car lot, I just don't know where I'd put it. > > I don't see any reason to incrementalize my builds because I don't have > the cash for it and redundant building of any kind bothers me. I'm all > about stuff that I can reuse and like most Jeepers, I have no problem > hitting the junkyards. And I definitely want to utilize the sawzall where > I can as opposed to trying to put 10" of lift on. > > I definitely like the way RE puts their kits together, it seems like you > can buy one kit and then upgrade it as your truck progresses. In a way, > it's incrementalism, but it seems like a more logical version. From what > I've heard, they're pretty quality too. > > What size tires are you running on the XJ now? > > By the way, I think I'm going to Herculine the XJ, since I'm already gonna > hit the two YJs. Should be sweet. > > > Carl S wrote: >> Not as of yet. He's in a hurry to sell and I'm still cross country. I >> listed it on the Richmond Jeepers board for him. If he's still got it >> whenever I get back over there, I'll probably buy it from him, but at >> that price, it'll be gone. No matter, I'm happy to build my XJ a little. >> I'm thinking a 3.5" RE lift, lunchbox locker in the rear, and some 31" >> M/T's. >> >> Eventually I'll boost it with a 3" coil spring spacer, 1.5" block and >> 1.5" shackle and a long arm kit. When the springs wear out, I'll replace >> them with 6 or 7" ones. >> >> The trick is to build what you can upgrade and re-use as much as you can. >> I know a lot of people who buy a small lift, then a big lift, and ect. >> It's called 'incrementalism' and it is a huge waste of money. >> >> Carl >> >> >> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:ergk65$ik7$1@aioe.org... >>> There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links, >>> there's plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker >>> guards, maybe a cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know >>> that much. It'll be a while before I start trying to link anything. >>> FWIW, my brother-in-law's father is a master welder, so I'll have help >>> learning. I also need to look into a class around here. >>> >>> By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? >>> >>> Carl S wrote: >>>> If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of >>>> pictures and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't >>>> an experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. >>>> Control arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must >>>> be PERFECT. >>>> >>>> Let me know what you decide what to do. >>>> >>>> Carl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >>>>> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about >>>>> 1.5", obviously depending on the wear. >>>>> >>>>> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only >>>>> thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't >>>>> know how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >>>>> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >>>>> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering >>>>> setups, etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart >>>>> for my own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my >>>>> head. That's why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of >>>>> putting something on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, >>>>> mostly, I love a challenge. >>>>> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my >>>>> bank account gains some weight. >>>>> >>>>> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what >>>>> I figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >>>>> >>>>> Carl S wrote: >>>>>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were >>>>>> great. Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, >>>>>> everything must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you >>>>>> have to ask, you shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from >>>>>> adding XJ leafs to your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe >>>>>> add one leaf and a 1.5" shackle. >>>>>> >>>>>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>>>>> >>>>>> Carl >> |
Re: ZJ springs
Always avoid incrementalism whenever possible. I suppose I will be going the
incremental route, but I will be able to sell the LCA's that come with the 3.5" lift kit, and I'll run the 3.5" springs till they are no good, or sell them when I get the taller springs. One good thing about the way I will be doing is it that I don't have to do it all at once. I can do the initial lift, then the Long arms with the budget boost, then the SYE, then the springs. Helps to break up the cost and time. Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ergljs$m2l$1@aioe.org... > I'd offer to take delivery of it for you, but my house is already a used > car lot, I just don't know where I'd put it. > > I don't see any reason to incrementalize my builds because I don't have > the cash for it and redundant building of any kind bothers me. I'm all > about stuff that I can reuse and like most Jeepers, I have no problem > hitting the junkyards. And I definitely want to utilize the sawzall where > I can as opposed to trying to put 10" of lift on. > > I definitely like the way RE puts their kits together, it seems like you > can buy one kit and then upgrade it as your truck progresses. In a way, > it's incrementalism, but it seems like a more logical version. From what > I've heard, they're pretty quality too. > > What size tires are you running on the XJ now? > > By the way, I think I'm going to Herculine the XJ, since I'm already gonna > hit the two YJs. Should be sweet. > > > Carl S wrote: >> Not as of yet. He's in a hurry to sell and I'm still cross country. I >> listed it on the Richmond Jeepers board for him. If he's still got it >> whenever I get back over there, I'll probably buy it from him, but at >> that price, it'll be gone. No matter, I'm happy to build my XJ a little. >> I'm thinking a 3.5" RE lift, lunchbox locker in the rear, and some 31" >> M/T's. >> >> Eventually I'll boost it with a 3" coil spring spacer, 1.5" block and >> 1.5" shackle and a long arm kit. When the springs wear out, I'll replace >> them with 6 or 7" ones. >> >> The trick is to build what you can upgrade and re-use as much as you can. >> I know a lot of people who buy a small lift, then a big lift, and ect. >> It's called 'incrementalism' and it is a huge waste of money. >> >> Carl >> >> >> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:ergk65$ik7$1@aioe.org... >>> There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links, >>> there's plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker >>> guards, maybe a cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know >>> that much. It'll be a while before I start trying to link anything. >>> FWIW, my brother-in-law's father is a master welder, so I'll have help >>> learning. I also need to look into a class around here. >>> >>> By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? >>> >>> Carl S wrote: >>>> If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of >>>> pictures and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't >>>> an experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. >>>> Control arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must >>>> be PERFECT. >>>> >>>> Let me know what you decide what to do. >>>> >>>> Carl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >>>>> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about >>>>> 1.5", obviously depending on the wear. >>>>> >>>>> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only >>>>> thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't >>>>> know how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >>>>> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >>>>> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering >>>>> setups, etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart >>>>> for my own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my >>>>> head. That's why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of >>>>> putting something on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, >>>>> mostly, I love a challenge. >>>>> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my >>>>> bank account gains some weight. >>>>> >>>>> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what >>>>> I figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >>>>> >>>>> Carl S wrote: >>>>>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were >>>>>> great. Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, >>>>>> everything must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you >>>>>> have to ask, you shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from >>>>>> adding XJ leafs to your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe >>>>>> add one leaf and a 1.5" shackle. >>>>>> >>>>>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>>>>> >>>>>> Carl >> |
Re: ZJ springs
Quick update, I found some info on the ZJ/XJ coil debate at
jeepsunlimited: http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...spring+lift+xj Thanks to Billy Ray for the heads up. Carl S wrote: > Always avoid incrementalism whenever possible. I suppose I will be going the > incremental route, but I will be able to sell the LCA's that come with the > 3.5" lift kit, and I'll run the 3.5" springs till they are no good, or sell > them when I get the taller springs. > > One good thing about the way I will be doing is it that I don't have to do > it all at once. I can do the initial lift, then the Long arms with the > budget boost, then the SYE, then the springs. Helps to break up the cost and > time. > > Carl > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:ergljs$m2l$1@aioe.org... >> I'd offer to take delivery of it for you, but my house is already a used >> car lot, I just don't know where I'd put it. >> >> I don't see any reason to incrementalize my builds because I don't have >> the cash for it and redundant building of any kind bothers me. I'm all >> about stuff that I can reuse and like most Jeepers, I have no problem >> hitting the junkyards. And I definitely want to utilize the sawzall where >> I can as opposed to trying to put 10" of lift on. >> >> I definitely like the way RE puts their kits together, it seems like you >> can buy one kit and then upgrade it as your truck progresses. In a way, >> it's incrementalism, but it seems like a more logical version. From what >> I've heard, they're pretty quality too. >> >> What size tires are you running on the XJ now? >> >> By the way, I think I'm going to Herculine the XJ, since I'm already gonna >> hit the two YJs. Should be sweet. >> >> |
Re: ZJ springs
Quick update, I found some info on the ZJ/XJ coil debate at
jeepsunlimited: http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...spring+lift+xj Thanks to Billy Ray for the heads up. Carl S wrote: > Always avoid incrementalism whenever possible. I suppose I will be going the > incremental route, but I will be able to sell the LCA's that come with the > 3.5" lift kit, and I'll run the 3.5" springs till they are no good, or sell > them when I get the taller springs. > > One good thing about the way I will be doing is it that I don't have to do > it all at once. I can do the initial lift, then the Long arms with the > budget boost, then the SYE, then the springs. Helps to break up the cost and > time. > > Carl > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:ergljs$m2l$1@aioe.org... >> I'd offer to take delivery of it for you, but my house is already a used >> car lot, I just don't know where I'd put it. >> >> I don't see any reason to incrementalize my builds because I don't have >> the cash for it and redundant building of any kind bothers me. I'm all >> about stuff that I can reuse and like most Jeepers, I have no problem >> hitting the junkyards. And I definitely want to utilize the sawzall where >> I can as opposed to trying to put 10" of lift on. >> >> I definitely like the way RE puts their kits together, it seems like you >> can buy one kit and then upgrade it as your truck progresses. In a way, >> it's incrementalism, but it seems like a more logical version. From what >> I've heard, they're pretty quality too. >> >> What size tires are you running on the XJ now? >> >> By the way, I think I'm going to Herculine the XJ, since I'm already gonna >> hit the two YJs. Should be sweet. >> >> |
Re: ZJ springs
Quick update, I found some info on the ZJ/XJ coil debate at
jeepsunlimited: http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...spring+lift+xj Thanks to Billy Ray for the heads up. Carl S wrote: > Always avoid incrementalism whenever possible. I suppose I will be going the > incremental route, but I will be able to sell the LCA's that come with the > 3.5" lift kit, and I'll run the 3.5" springs till they are no good, or sell > them when I get the taller springs. > > One good thing about the way I will be doing is it that I don't have to do > it all at once. I can do the initial lift, then the Long arms with the > budget boost, then the SYE, then the springs. Helps to break up the cost and > time. > > Carl > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:ergljs$m2l$1@aioe.org... >> I'd offer to take delivery of it for you, but my house is already a used >> car lot, I just don't know where I'd put it. >> >> I don't see any reason to incrementalize my builds because I don't have >> the cash for it and redundant building of any kind bothers me. I'm all >> about stuff that I can reuse and like most Jeepers, I have no problem >> hitting the junkyards. And I definitely want to utilize the sawzall where >> I can as opposed to trying to put 10" of lift on. >> >> I definitely like the way RE puts their kits together, it seems like you >> can buy one kit and then upgrade it as your truck progresses. In a way, >> it's incrementalism, but it seems like a more logical version. From what >> I've heard, they're pretty quality too. >> >> What size tires are you running on the XJ now? >> >> By the way, I think I'm going to Herculine the XJ, since I'm already gonna >> hit the two YJs. Should be sweet. >> >> |
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