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Re: ZJ springs
From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5",
obviously depending on the wear. I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a challenge. However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank account gains some weight. I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. Carl S wrote: > I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great. > Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything must > be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you shouldn't > do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to your pack, the > ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" shackle. > > Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. > > Carl |
Re: ZJ springs
From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5",
obviously depending on the wear. I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a challenge. However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank account gains some weight. I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. Carl S wrote: > I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great. > Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything must > be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you shouldn't > do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to your pack, the > ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" shackle. > > Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. > > Carl |
Re: ZJ springs
If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of pictures
and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be PERFECT. Let me know what you decide what to do. Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... > From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", > obviously depending on the wear. > > I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only thing > holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know how to > weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. > There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of > building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, > etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my own > good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's why > I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something on my > Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a challenge. > However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank > account gains some weight. > > I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I > figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. > > Carl S wrote: >> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great. >> Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything >> must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you >> shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to >> your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" >> shackle. >> >> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >> >> Carl |
Re: ZJ springs
If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of pictures
and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be PERFECT. Let me know what you decide what to do. Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... > From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", > obviously depending on the wear. > > I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only thing > holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know how to > weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. > There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of > building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, > etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my own > good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's why > I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something on my > Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a challenge. > However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank > account gains some weight. > > I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I > figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. > > Carl S wrote: >> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great. >> Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything >> must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you >> shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to >> your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" >> shackle. >> >> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >> >> Carl |
Re: ZJ springs
If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of pictures
and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be PERFECT. Let me know what you decide what to do. Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... > From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", > obviously depending on the wear. > > I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only thing > holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know how to > weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. > There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of > building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, > etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my own > good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's why > I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something on my > Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a challenge. > However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank > account gains some weight. > > I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I > figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. > > Carl S wrote: >> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great. >> Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything >> must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you >> shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to >> your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" >> shackle. >> >> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >> >> Carl |
Re: ZJ springs
There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links,
there's plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker guards, maybe a cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know that much. It'll be a while before I start trying to link anything. FWIW, my brother-in-law's father is a master welder, so I'll have help learning. I also need to look into a class around here. By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? Carl S wrote: > If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of pictures > and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an experianced > welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control arms aren't the > best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be PERFECT. > > Let me know what you decide what to do. > > Carl > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", >> obviously depending on the wear. >> >> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only thing >> holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know how to >> weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, >> etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my own >> good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's why >> I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something on my >> Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a challenge. >> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank >> account gains some weight. >> >> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I >> figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >> >> Carl S wrote: >>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great. >>> Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything >>> must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you >>> shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to >>> your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" >>> shackle. >>> >>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>> >>> Carl > > |
Re: ZJ springs
There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links,
there's plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker guards, maybe a cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know that much. It'll be a while before I start trying to link anything. FWIW, my brother-in-law's father is a master welder, so I'll have help learning. I also need to look into a class around here. By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? Carl S wrote: > If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of pictures > and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an experianced > welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control arms aren't the > best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be PERFECT. > > Let me know what you decide what to do. > > Carl > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", >> obviously depending on the wear. >> >> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only thing >> holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know how to >> weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, >> etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my own >> good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's why >> I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something on my >> Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a challenge. >> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank >> account gains some weight. >> >> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I >> figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >> >> Carl S wrote: >>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great. >>> Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything >>> must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you >>> shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to >>> your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" >>> shackle. >>> >>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>> >>> Carl > > |
Re: ZJ springs
There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links,
there's plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker guards, maybe a cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know that much. It'll be a while before I start trying to link anything. FWIW, my brother-in-law's father is a master welder, so I'll have help learning. I also need to look into a class around here. By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? Carl S wrote: > If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of pictures > and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an experianced > welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control arms aren't the > best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be PERFECT. > > Let me know what you decide what to do. > > Carl > > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", >> obviously depending on the wear. >> >> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only thing >> holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know how to >> weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, >> etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my own >> good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's why >> I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something on my >> Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a challenge. >> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank >> account gains some weight. >> >> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I >> figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >> >> Carl S wrote: >>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great. >>> Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything >>> must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you >>> shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to >>> your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" >>> shackle. >>> >>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>> >>> Carl > > |
Re: ZJ springs
Not as of yet. He's in a hurry to sell and I'm still cross country. I listed
it on the Richmond Jeepers board for him. If he's still got it whenever I get back over there, I'll probably buy it from him, but at that price, it'll be gone. No matter, I'm happy to build my XJ a little. I'm thinking a 3.5" RE lift, lunchbox locker in the rear, and some 31" M/T's. Eventually I'll boost it with a 3" coil spring spacer, 1.5" block and 1.5" shackle and a long arm kit. When the springs wear out, I'll replace them with 6 or 7" ones. The trick is to build what you can upgrade and re-use as much as you can. I know a lot of people who buy a small lift, then a big lift, and ect. It's called 'incrementalism' and it is a huge waste of money. Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ergk65$ik7$1@aioe.org... > There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links, there's > plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker guards, maybe a > cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know that much. It'll be > a while before I start trying to link anything. FWIW, my brother-in-law's > father is a master welder, so I'll have help learning. I also need to > look into a class around here. > > By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? > > Carl S wrote: >> If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of >> pictures and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an >> experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control >> arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be >> PERFECT. >> >> Let me know what you decide what to do. >> >> Carl >> >> >> >> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >>> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", >>> obviously depending on the wear. >>> >>> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only >>> thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know >>> how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >>> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >>> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, >>> etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my >>> own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's >>> why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something >>> on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a >>> challenge. >>> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank >>> account gains some weight. >>> >>> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I >>> figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >>> >>> Carl S wrote: >>>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were >>>> great. Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, >>>> everything must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have >>>> to ask, you shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding >>>> XJ leafs to your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one >>>> leaf and a 1.5" shackle. >>>> >>>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>>> >>>> Carl >> |
Re: ZJ springs
Not as of yet. He's in a hurry to sell and I'm still cross country. I listed
it on the Richmond Jeepers board for him. If he's still got it whenever I get back over there, I'll probably buy it from him, but at that price, it'll be gone. No matter, I'm happy to build my XJ a little. I'm thinking a 3.5" RE lift, lunchbox locker in the rear, and some 31" M/T's. Eventually I'll boost it with a 3" coil spring spacer, 1.5" block and 1.5" shackle and a long arm kit. When the springs wear out, I'll replace them with 6 or 7" ones. The trick is to build what you can upgrade and re-use as much as you can. I know a lot of people who buy a small lift, then a big lift, and ect. It's called 'incrementalism' and it is a huge waste of money. Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ergk65$ik7$1@aioe.org... > There's no way I'll teach myself to weld on the suspension links, there's > plenty more I plan on doing before then - bumpers, rocker guards, maybe a > cage. Who knows? My plans are way too grand, I know that much. It'll be > a while before I start trying to link anything. FWIW, my brother-in-law's > father is a master welder, so I'll have help learning. I also need to > look into a class around here. > > By the way, did you buy that YJ from Norfolk? > > Carl S wrote: >> If you decide to build your own crossmember and arms, take a lot of >> pictures and notes and do a write up so we can do it to. If you aren't an >> experianced welder, start soon. Make lots and lots of quarters. Control >> arms aren't the best things to learn on. Suspension welds must be >> PERFECT. >> >> Let me know what you decide what to do. >> >> Carl >> >> >> >> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:ergdqf$6s3$1@aioe.org... >>> From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5", >>> obviously depending on the wear. >>> >>> I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only >>> thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know >>> how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix. >>> There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of >>> building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups, >>> etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my >>> own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head. That's >>> why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting something >>> on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a >>> challenge. >>> However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank >>> account gains some weight. >>> >>> I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I >>> figure out about the ZJ V8 springs. >>> >>> Carl S wrote: >>>> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were >>>> great. Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, >>>> everything must be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have >>>> to ask, you shouldn't do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding >>>> XJ leafs to your pack, the ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one >>>> leaf and a 1.5" shackle. >>>> >>>> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap. >>>> >>>> Carl >> |
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