Carl S

I forgot to mention that the 3.5" usually gives about 4". You will not need
a SYE at 4". A degree shim or a 1" t-case drop will take away the vibes. I
have installed that lift on an 91 XJ I used to have and it was great. Ride,
flex, and stance were excellent. It's the red XJ at my photobucket. 31"
tires fit perfectly, 32's will fit with a sawzall or bushwackers.

Once the rear springs were broken in, the ride was as good as or better than
stock.

Carl


"Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:AIednQy3FpObNkbYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I ran my 89 XJ with a 2" coil spacer up front and a 2" AAL in the rear. I
>don't reccomend the AAL. I would get the 2" spacers for the front, a 1.5"
>lift shackle and a .75" lift block and be done with it. You don't even have
>to replace the shocks right away if you get bar pin eliminators.
>
> Coil spacers at 2" work fine, and the flex is still pretty good. IDK if I
> would buy the OME kit. I've 'heard' its is good, but you still use stock
> arms and ect. The aftermarket arms clear tires better, and despite what
> RRO says, they are stronger.
>
> If I was going to do a spring lift on my XJ, I would get the 3.5" Rubicon
> Express lift. Super-ride version with full rear springs. $650 plus around
> $50 for shipping from www.offroadtoystore.com free DT3 shocks with the
> lift. That's where and what I plan to buy for my XJ.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:erg8c6$r6s$1@aioe.org...
>> If it's true, I'd love to do it, but looking around at various venders,
>> they all seem to offer the same spring for both ZJ applications and XJs
>> as well.
>> Instead, I'm thinking about 2" lift ZJ springs from OME. It would
>> definitely be more expensive, but at least I know I'd get the lift,
>> hopefully more than 2" even. I wouldn't have to use coil spacers,
>> either, which I'd rather not do if I can help it. Regardless of what I
>> do, I don't really want more than maybe 4" of lift. If I need to fit
>> tires past that, I'll just go to town with the sawzall.
>> I don't know, I'll figure it out.
>>
>> I might as well ask what you other guys with XJs have done for lift -
>> lift kits, homebrew hodgepodge, or massive fender trimming, or some
>> combination of the three?
>>
>> Carl S wrote:
>>> I have heard of using the ZJ v8 springs for around 1" of lift, though I
>>> have never personally verified this is possible. You can get 'em dirt
>>> cheap used. It might be easier to just throw a 3" coil spacer in there,
>>> unless you are planning on using the 3" spacer and the 1" ZJ coils. Let
>>> us know what you decide and if you get any lift (and how much!) from the
>>> ZJ coils.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:erfm95$drl$1@aioe.org...
>>>> For the XJ, I'm planning on following the budget boost writeup at:
>>>> http://www.rocklizardfabrications.co...dget_boost.htm
>>>> It says to use ZJ V8 springs. I've been looking at them, and it seems
>>>> that they used the same springs for both the 4.0L and the V8 -
>>>> Partsamerica.com says that these same springs work for XJs too.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what the deal is? Am I looking at the wrong years?
>>>
>

Carl S

I forgot to mention that the 3.5" usually gives about 4". You will not need
a SYE at 4". A degree shim or a 1" t-case drop will take away the vibes. I
have installed that lift on an 91 XJ I used to have and it was great. Ride,
flex, and stance were excellent. It's the red XJ at my photobucket. 31"
tires fit perfectly, 32's will fit with a sawzall or bushwackers.

Once the rear springs were broken in, the ride was as good as or better than
stock.

Carl


"Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:AIednQy3FpObNkbYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I ran my 89 XJ with a 2" coil spacer up front and a 2" AAL in the rear. I
>don't reccomend the AAL. I would get the 2" spacers for the front, a 1.5"
>lift shackle and a .75" lift block and be done with it. You don't even have
>to replace the shocks right away if you get bar pin eliminators.
>
> Coil spacers at 2" work fine, and the flex is still pretty good. IDK if I
> would buy the OME kit. I've 'heard' its is good, but you still use stock
> arms and ect. The aftermarket arms clear tires better, and despite what
> RRO says, they are stronger.
>
> If I was going to do a spring lift on my XJ, I would get the 3.5" Rubicon
> Express lift. Super-ride version with full rear springs. $650 plus around
> $50 for shipping from www.offroadtoystore.com free DT3 shocks with the
> lift. That's where and what I plan to buy for my XJ.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:erg8c6$r6s$1@aioe.org...
>> If it's true, I'd love to do it, but looking around at various venders,
>> they all seem to offer the same spring for both ZJ applications and XJs
>> as well.
>> Instead, I'm thinking about 2" lift ZJ springs from OME. It would
>> definitely be more expensive, but at least I know I'd get the lift,
>> hopefully more than 2" even. I wouldn't have to use coil spacers,
>> either, which I'd rather not do if I can help it. Regardless of what I
>> do, I don't really want more than maybe 4" of lift. If I need to fit
>> tires past that, I'll just go to town with the sawzall.
>> I don't know, I'll figure it out.
>>
>> I might as well ask what you other guys with XJs have done for lift -
>> lift kits, homebrew hodgepodge, or massive fender trimming, or some
>> combination of the three?
>>
>> Carl S wrote:
>>> I have heard of using the ZJ v8 springs for around 1" of lift, though I
>>> have never personally verified this is possible. You can get 'em dirt
>>> cheap used. It might be easier to just throw a 3" coil spacer in there,
>>> unless you are planning on using the 3" spacer and the 1" ZJ coils. Let
>>> us know what you decide and if you get any lift (and how much!) from the
>>> ZJ coils.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:erfm95$drl$1@aioe.org...
>>>> For the XJ, I'm planning on following the budget boost writeup at:
>>>> http://www.rocklizardfabrications.co...dget_boost.htm
>>>> It says to use ZJ V8 springs. I've been looking at them, and it seems
>>>> that they used the same springs for both the 4.0L and the V8 -
>>>> Partsamerica.com says that these same springs work for XJs too.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what the deal is? Am I looking at the wrong years?
>>>
>

Carl S

I forgot to mention that the 3.5" usually gives about 4". You will not need
a SYE at 4". A degree shim or a 1" t-case drop will take away the vibes. I
have installed that lift on an 91 XJ I used to have and it was great. Ride,
flex, and stance were excellent. It's the red XJ at my photobucket. 31"
tires fit perfectly, 32's will fit with a sawzall or bushwackers.

Once the rear springs were broken in, the ride was as good as or better than
stock.

Carl


"Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:AIednQy3FpObNkbYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I ran my 89 XJ with a 2" coil spacer up front and a 2" AAL in the rear. I
>don't reccomend the AAL. I would get the 2" spacers for the front, a 1.5"
>lift shackle and a .75" lift block and be done with it. You don't even have
>to replace the shocks right away if you get bar pin eliminators.
>
> Coil spacers at 2" work fine, and the flex is still pretty good. IDK if I
> would buy the OME kit. I've 'heard' its is good, but you still use stock
> arms and ect. The aftermarket arms clear tires better, and despite what
> RRO says, they are stronger.
>
> If I was going to do a spring lift on my XJ, I would get the 3.5" Rubicon
> Express lift. Super-ride version with full rear springs. $650 plus around
> $50 for shipping from www.offroadtoystore.com free DT3 shocks with the
> lift. That's where and what I plan to buy for my XJ.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:erg8c6$r6s$1@aioe.org...
>> If it's true, I'd love to do it, but looking around at various venders,
>> they all seem to offer the same spring for both ZJ applications and XJs
>> as well.
>> Instead, I'm thinking about 2" lift ZJ springs from OME. It would
>> definitely be more expensive, but at least I know I'd get the lift,
>> hopefully more than 2" even. I wouldn't have to use coil spacers,
>> either, which I'd rather not do if I can help it. Regardless of what I
>> do, I don't really want more than maybe 4" of lift. If I need to fit
>> tires past that, I'll just go to town with the sawzall.
>> I don't know, I'll figure it out.
>>
>> I might as well ask what you other guys with XJs have done for lift -
>> lift kits, homebrew hodgepodge, or massive fender trimming, or some
>> combination of the three?
>>
>> Carl S wrote:
>>> I have heard of using the ZJ v8 springs for around 1" of lift, though I
>>> have never personally verified this is possible. You can get 'em dirt
>>> cheap used. It might be easier to just throw a 3" coil spacer in there,
>>> unless you are planning on using the 3" spacer and the 1" ZJ coils. Let
>>> us know what you decide and if you get any lift (and how much!) from the
>>> ZJ coils.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:erfm95$drl$1@aioe.org...
>>>> For the XJ, I'm planning on following the budget boost writeup at:
>>>> http://www.rocklizardfabrications.co...dget_boost.htm
>>>> It says to use ZJ V8 springs. I've been looking at them, and it seems
>>>> that they used the same springs for both the 4.0L and the V8 -
>>>> Partsamerica.com says that these same springs work for XJs too.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what the deal is? Am I looking at the wrong years?
>>>
>

The Merg

when you had the 2" coil spacer, did you have the stock control arms? I
plan on upgrading to longer arms, but probably not right away. I need
to get myself a welder (and then learn how to weld), then I'll build a
new crossmember and do links off of that, or something along those
lines. (or maybe I just read too much Pirate4x4)

I'm not looking at the whole OME kit, just the front coil springs (here:
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_934.htm ) - the rear would be an
amalgamation of a leaf or two from an XJ pack and maybe a shackle lift.
I'd rather not use blocks or spacers if at all possible.

Carl S wrote:
> I ran my 89 XJ with a 2" coil spacer up front and a 2" AAL in the rear. I
> don't reccomend the AAL. I would get the 2" spacers for the front, a 1.5"
> lift shackle and a .75" lift block and be done with it. You don't even have
> to replace the shocks right away if you get bar pin eliminators.
>
> Coil spacers at 2" work fine, and the flex is still pretty good. IDK if I
> would buy the OME kit. I've 'heard' its is good, but you still use stock
> arms and ect. The aftermarket arms clear tires better, and despite what RRO
> says, they are stronger.
>
> If I was going to do a spring lift on my XJ, I would get the 3.5" Rubicon
> Express lift. Super-ride version with full rear springs. $650 plus around
> $50 for shipping from www.offroadtoystore.com free DT3 shocks with the lift.
> That's where and what I plan to buy for my XJ.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:erg8c6$r6s$1@aioe.org...
>> If it's true, I'd love to do it, but looking around at various venders,
>> they all seem to offer the same spring for both ZJ applications and XJs as
>> well.
>> Instead, I'm thinking about 2" lift ZJ springs from OME. It would
>> definitely be more expensive, but at least I know I'd get the lift,
>> hopefully more than 2" even. I wouldn't have to use coil spacers, either,
>> which I'd rather not do if I can help it. Regardless of what I do, I
>> don't really want more than maybe 4" of lift. If I need to fit tires past
>> that, I'll just go to town with the sawzall.
>> I don't know, I'll figure it out.
>>
>> I might as well ask what you other guys with XJs have done for lift - lift
>> kits, homebrew hodgepodge, or massive fender trimming, or some combination
>> of the three?
>>
>> Carl S wrote:
>>> I have heard of using the ZJ v8 springs for around 1" of lift, though I
>>> have never personally verified this is possible. You can get 'em dirt
>>> cheap used. It might be easier to just throw a 3" coil spacer in there,
>>> unless you are planning on using the 3" spacer and the 1" ZJ coils. Let
>>> us know what you decide and if you get any lift (and how much!) from the
>>> ZJ coils.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:erfm95$drl$1@aioe.org...
>>>> For the XJ, I'm planning on following the budget boost writeup at:
>>>> http://www.rocklizardfabrications.co...dget_boost.htm
>>>> It says to use ZJ V8 springs. I've been looking at them, and it seems
>>>> that they used the same springs for both the 4.0L and the V8 -
>>>> Partsamerica.com says that these same springs work for XJs too.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what the deal is? Am I looking at the wrong years?
>

The Merg

when you had the 2" coil spacer, did you have the stock control arms? I
plan on upgrading to longer arms, but probably not right away. I need
to get myself a welder (and then learn how to weld), then I'll build a
new crossmember and do links off of that, or something along those
lines. (or maybe I just read too much Pirate4x4)

I'm not looking at the whole OME kit, just the front coil springs (here:
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_934.htm ) - the rear would be an
amalgamation of a leaf or two from an XJ pack and maybe a shackle lift.
I'd rather not use blocks or spacers if at all possible.

Carl S wrote:
> I ran my 89 XJ with a 2" coil spacer up front and a 2" AAL in the rear. I
> don't reccomend the AAL. I would get the 2" spacers for the front, a 1.5"
> lift shackle and a .75" lift block and be done with it. You don't even have
> to replace the shocks right away if you get bar pin eliminators.
>
> Coil spacers at 2" work fine, and the flex is still pretty good. IDK if I
> would buy the OME kit. I've 'heard' its is good, but you still use stock
> arms and ect. The aftermarket arms clear tires better, and despite what RRO
> says, they are stronger.
>
> If I was going to do a spring lift on my XJ, I would get the 3.5" Rubicon
> Express lift. Super-ride version with full rear springs. $650 plus around
> $50 for shipping from www.offroadtoystore.com free DT3 shocks with the lift.
> That's where and what I plan to buy for my XJ.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:erg8c6$r6s$1@aioe.org...
>> If it's true, I'd love to do it, but looking around at various venders,
>> they all seem to offer the same spring for both ZJ applications and XJs as
>> well.
>> Instead, I'm thinking about 2" lift ZJ springs from OME. It would
>> definitely be more expensive, but at least I know I'd get the lift,
>> hopefully more than 2" even. I wouldn't have to use coil spacers, either,
>> which I'd rather not do if I can help it. Regardless of what I do, I
>> don't really want more than maybe 4" of lift. If I need to fit tires past
>> that, I'll just go to town with the sawzall.
>> I don't know, I'll figure it out.
>>
>> I might as well ask what you other guys with XJs have done for lift - lift
>> kits, homebrew hodgepodge, or massive fender trimming, or some combination
>> of the three?
>>
>> Carl S wrote:
>>> I have heard of using the ZJ v8 springs for around 1" of lift, though I
>>> have never personally verified this is possible. You can get 'em dirt
>>> cheap used. It might be easier to just throw a 3" coil spacer in there,
>>> unless you are planning on using the 3" spacer and the 1" ZJ coils. Let
>>> us know what you decide and if you get any lift (and how much!) from the
>>> ZJ coils.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:erfm95$drl$1@aioe.org...
>>>> For the XJ, I'm planning on following the budget boost writeup at:
>>>> http://www.rocklizardfabrications.co...dget_boost.htm
>>>> It says to use ZJ V8 springs. I've been looking at them, and it seems
>>>> that they used the same springs for both the 4.0L and the V8 -
>>>> Partsamerica.com says that these same springs work for XJs too.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what the deal is? Am I looking at the wrong years?
>

The Merg

when you had the 2" coil spacer, did you have the stock control arms? I
plan on upgrading to longer arms, but probably not right away. I need
to get myself a welder (and then learn how to weld), then I'll build a
new crossmember and do links off of that, or something along those
lines. (or maybe I just read too much Pirate4x4)

I'm not looking at the whole OME kit, just the front coil springs (here:
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_934.htm ) - the rear would be an
amalgamation of a leaf or two from an XJ pack and maybe a shackle lift.
I'd rather not use blocks or spacers if at all possible.

Carl S wrote:
> I ran my 89 XJ with a 2" coil spacer up front and a 2" AAL in the rear. I
> don't reccomend the AAL. I would get the 2" spacers for the front, a 1.5"
> lift shackle and a .75" lift block and be done with it. You don't even have
> to replace the shocks right away if you get bar pin eliminators.
>
> Coil spacers at 2" work fine, and the flex is still pretty good. IDK if I
> would buy the OME kit. I've 'heard' its is good, but you still use stock
> arms and ect. The aftermarket arms clear tires better, and despite what RRO
> says, they are stronger.
>
> If I was going to do a spring lift on my XJ, I would get the 3.5" Rubicon
> Express lift. Super-ride version with full rear springs. $650 plus around
> $50 for shipping from www.offroadtoystore.com free DT3 shocks with the lift.
> That's where and what I plan to buy for my XJ.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:erg8c6$r6s$1@aioe.org...
>> If it's true, I'd love to do it, but looking around at various venders,
>> they all seem to offer the same spring for both ZJ applications and XJs as
>> well.
>> Instead, I'm thinking about 2" lift ZJ springs from OME. It would
>> definitely be more expensive, but at least I know I'd get the lift,
>> hopefully more than 2" even. I wouldn't have to use coil spacers, either,
>> which I'd rather not do if I can help it. Regardless of what I do, I
>> don't really want more than maybe 4" of lift. If I need to fit tires past
>> that, I'll just go to town with the sawzall.
>> I don't know, I'll figure it out.
>>
>> I might as well ask what you other guys with XJs have done for lift - lift
>> kits, homebrew hodgepodge, or massive fender trimming, or some combination
>> of the three?
>>
>> Carl S wrote:
>>> I have heard of using the ZJ v8 springs for around 1" of lift, though I
>>> have never personally verified this is possible. You can get 'em dirt
>>> cheap used. It might be easier to just throw a 3" coil spacer in there,
>>> unless you are planning on using the 3" spacer and the 1" ZJ coils. Let
>>> us know what you decide and if you get any lift (and how much!) from the
>>> ZJ coils.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:erfm95$drl$1@aioe.org...
>>>> For the XJ, I'm planning on following the budget boost writeup at:
>>>> http://www.rocklizardfabrications.co...dget_boost.htm
>>>> It says to use ZJ V8 springs. I've been looking at them, and it seems
>>>> that they used the same springs for both the 4.0L and the V8 -
>>>> Partsamerica.com says that these same springs work for XJs too.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what the deal is? Am I looking at the wrong years?
>

Carl S

I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great.
Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything must
be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you shouldn't
do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to your pack, the
ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" shackle.

Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap.

Carl


"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ergbg0$23e$1@aioe.org...
> when you had the 2" coil spacer, did you have the stock control arms? I
> plan on upgrading to longer arms, but probably not right away. I need to
> get myself a welder (and then learn how to weld), then I'll build a new
> crossmember and do links off of that, or something along those lines. (or
> maybe I just read too much Pirate4x4)
>
> I'm not looking at the whole OME kit, just the front coil springs (here:
> http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_934.htm ) - the rear would be an
> amalgamation of a leaf or two from an XJ pack and maybe a shackle lift.
> I'd rather not use blocks or spacers if at all possible.
>
> Carl S wrote:
>> I ran my 89 XJ with a 2" coil spacer up front and a 2" AAL in the rear. I
>> don't reccomend the AAL. I would get the 2" spacers for the front, a 1.5"
>> lift shackle and a .75" lift block and be done with it. You don't even
>> have to replace the shocks right away if you get bar pin eliminators.
>>
>> Coil spacers at 2" work fine, and the flex is still pretty good. IDK if I
>> would buy the OME kit. I've 'heard' its is good, but you still use stock
>> arms and ect. The aftermarket arms clear tires better, and despite what
>> RRO says, they are stronger.
>>
>> If I was going to do a spring lift on my XJ, I would get the 3.5" Rubicon
>> Express lift. Super-ride version with full rear springs. $650 plus around
>> $50 for shipping from www.offroadtoystore.com free DT3 shocks with the
>> lift. That's where and what I plan to buy for my XJ.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:erg8c6$r6s$1@aioe.org...
>>> If it's true, I'd love to do it, but looking around at various venders,
>>> they all seem to offer the same spring for both ZJ applications and XJs
>>> as well.
>>> Instead, I'm thinking about 2" lift ZJ springs from OME. It would
>>> definitely be more expensive, but at least I know I'd get the lift,
>>> hopefully more than 2" even. I wouldn't have to use coil spacers,
>>> either, which I'd rather not do if I can help it. Regardless of what I
>>> do, I don't really want more than maybe 4" of lift. If I need to fit
>>> tires past that, I'll just go to town with the sawzall.
>>> I don't know, I'll figure it out.
>>>
>>> I might as well ask what you other guys with XJs have done for lift -
>>> lift kits, homebrew hodgepodge, or massive fender trimming, or some
>>> combination of the three?
>>>
>>> Carl S wrote:
>>>> I have heard of using the ZJ v8 springs for around 1" of lift, though I
>>>> have never personally verified this is possible. You can get 'em dirt
>>>> cheap used. It might be easier to just throw a 3" coil spacer in there,
>>>> unless you are planning on using the 3" spacer and the 1" ZJ coils. Let
>>>> us know what you decide and if you get any lift (and how much!) from
>>>> the ZJ coils.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:erfm95$drl$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> For the XJ, I'm planning on following the budget boost writeup at:
>>>>> http://www.rocklizardfabrications.co...dget_boost.htm
>>>>> It says to use ZJ V8 springs. I've been looking at them, and it seems
>>>>> that they used the same springs for both the 4.0L and the V8 -
>>>>> Partsamerica.com says that these same springs work for XJs too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know what the deal is? Am I looking at the wrong years?
>>

Carl S

I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great.
Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything must
be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you shouldn't
do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to your pack, the
ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" shackle.

Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap.

Carl


"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ergbg0$23e$1@aioe.org...
> when you had the 2" coil spacer, did you have the stock control arms? I
> plan on upgrading to longer arms, but probably not right away. I need to
> get myself a welder (and then learn how to weld), then I'll build a new
> crossmember and do links off of that, or something along those lines. (or
> maybe I just read too much Pirate4x4)
>
> I'm not looking at the whole OME kit, just the front coil springs (here:
> http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_934.htm ) - the rear would be an
> amalgamation of a leaf or two from an XJ pack and maybe a shackle lift.
> I'd rather not use blocks or spacers if at all possible.
>
> Carl S wrote:
>> I ran my 89 XJ with a 2" coil spacer up front and a 2" AAL in the rear. I
>> don't reccomend the AAL. I would get the 2" spacers for the front, a 1.5"
>> lift shackle and a .75" lift block and be done with it. You don't even
>> have to replace the shocks right away if you get bar pin eliminators.
>>
>> Coil spacers at 2" work fine, and the flex is still pretty good. IDK if I
>> would buy the OME kit. I've 'heard' its is good, but you still use stock
>> arms and ect. The aftermarket arms clear tires better, and despite what
>> RRO says, they are stronger.
>>
>> If I was going to do a spring lift on my XJ, I would get the 3.5" Rubicon
>> Express lift. Super-ride version with full rear springs. $650 plus around
>> $50 for shipping from www.offroadtoystore.com free DT3 shocks with the
>> lift. That's where and what I plan to buy for my XJ.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:erg8c6$r6s$1@aioe.org...
>>> If it's true, I'd love to do it, but looking around at various venders,
>>> they all seem to offer the same spring for both ZJ applications and XJs
>>> as well.
>>> Instead, I'm thinking about 2" lift ZJ springs from OME. It would
>>> definitely be more expensive, but at least I know I'd get the lift,
>>> hopefully more than 2" even. I wouldn't have to use coil spacers,
>>> either, which I'd rather not do if I can help it. Regardless of what I
>>> do, I don't really want more than maybe 4" of lift. If I need to fit
>>> tires past that, I'll just go to town with the sawzall.
>>> I don't know, I'll figure it out.
>>>
>>> I might as well ask what you other guys with XJs have done for lift -
>>> lift kits, homebrew hodgepodge, or massive fender trimming, or some
>>> combination of the three?
>>>
>>> Carl S wrote:
>>>> I have heard of using the ZJ v8 springs for around 1" of lift, though I
>>>> have never personally verified this is possible. You can get 'em dirt
>>>> cheap used. It might be easier to just throw a 3" coil spacer in there,
>>>> unless you are planning on using the 3" spacer and the 1" ZJ coils. Let
>>>> us know what you decide and if you get any lift (and how much!) from
>>>> the ZJ coils.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:erfm95$drl$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> For the XJ, I'm planning on following the budget boost writeup at:
>>>>> http://www.rocklizardfabrications.co...dget_boost.htm
>>>>> It says to use ZJ V8 springs. I've been looking at them, and it seems
>>>>> that they used the same springs for both the 4.0L and the V8 -
>>>>> Partsamerica.com says that these same springs work for XJs too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know what the deal is? Am I looking at the wrong years?
>>

Carl S

I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great.
Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything must
be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you shouldn't
do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to your pack, the
ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" shackle.

Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap.

Carl


"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ergbg0$23e$1@aioe.org...
> when you had the 2" coil spacer, did you have the stock control arms? I
> plan on upgrading to longer arms, but probably not right away. I need to
> get myself a welder (and then learn how to weld), then I'll build a new
> crossmember and do links off of that, or something along those lines. (or
> maybe I just read too much Pirate4x4)
>
> I'm not looking at the whole OME kit, just the front coil springs (here:
> http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_934.htm ) - the rear would be an
> amalgamation of a leaf or two from an XJ pack and maybe a shackle lift.
> I'd rather not use blocks or spacers if at all possible.
>
> Carl S wrote:
>> I ran my 89 XJ with a 2" coil spacer up front and a 2" AAL in the rear. I
>> don't reccomend the AAL. I would get the 2" spacers for the front, a 1.5"
>> lift shackle and a .75" lift block and be done with it. You don't even
>> have to replace the shocks right away if you get bar pin eliminators.
>>
>> Coil spacers at 2" work fine, and the flex is still pretty good. IDK if I
>> would buy the OME kit. I've 'heard' its is good, but you still use stock
>> arms and ect. The aftermarket arms clear tires better, and despite what
>> RRO says, they are stronger.
>>
>> If I was going to do a spring lift on my XJ, I would get the 3.5" Rubicon
>> Express lift. Super-ride version with full rear springs. $650 plus around
>> $50 for shipping from www.offroadtoystore.com free DT3 shocks with the
>> lift. That's where and what I plan to buy for my XJ.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:erg8c6$r6s$1@aioe.org...
>>> If it's true, I'd love to do it, but looking around at various venders,
>>> they all seem to offer the same spring for both ZJ applications and XJs
>>> as well.
>>> Instead, I'm thinking about 2" lift ZJ springs from OME. It would
>>> definitely be more expensive, but at least I know I'd get the lift,
>>> hopefully more than 2" even. I wouldn't have to use coil spacers,
>>> either, which I'd rather not do if I can help it. Regardless of what I
>>> do, I don't really want more than maybe 4" of lift. If I need to fit
>>> tires past that, I'll just go to town with the sawzall.
>>> I don't know, I'll figure it out.
>>>
>>> I might as well ask what you other guys with XJs have done for lift -
>>> lift kits, homebrew hodgepodge, or massive fender trimming, or some
>>> combination of the three?
>>>
>>> Carl S wrote:
>>>> I have heard of using the ZJ v8 springs for around 1" of lift, though I
>>>> have never personally verified this is possible. You can get 'em dirt
>>>> cheap used. It might be easier to just throw a 3" coil spacer in there,
>>>> unless you are planning on using the 3" spacer and the 1" ZJ coils. Let
>>>> us know what you decide and if you get any lift (and how much!) from
>>>> the ZJ coils.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:erfm95$drl$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> For the XJ, I'm planning on following the budget boost writeup at:
>>>>> http://www.rocklizardfabrications.co...dget_boost.htm
>>>>> It says to use ZJ V8 springs. I've been looking at them, and it seems
>>>>> that they used the same springs for both the 4.0L and the V8 -
>>>>> Partsamerica.com says that these same springs work for XJs too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know what the deal is? Am I looking at the wrong years?
>>

The Merg

From what I've read, adding just the XJ main leaf will gain about 1.5",
obviously depending on the wear.

I think you underestimate my stubborness and self-delusion. The only
thing holding me back is a lack of tools and the fact that I don't know
how to weld, but both are relatively easy to fix.
There's plenty of info around on the internet about the physics of
building a linked suspension (link length, anti-squat, steering setups,
etc.), my pops is a mechanical engineer, and I'm way too smart for my
own good - all of these add up to me getting in way over my head.
That's why I'm doing this stuff, though. I hate the idea of putting
something on my Jeeps that I could've built myself and, mostly, I love a
challenge.
However, that stuff won't be for a little while - at least until my bank
account gains some weight.

I'll look into the blocks and stuff - it'll probably come down to what I
figure out about the ZJ V8 springs.

Carl S wrote:
> I used stock control arms with the spacers. The ride and flex were great.
> Making your own crossmember and control arms is a HUGE task, everything must
> be perfect. It's the sortof project where 'if you have to ask, you shouldn't
> do it'. By the time you get any lift from adding XJ leafs to your pack, the
> ride will be pretty stiff. Maybe add one leaf and a 1.5" shackle.
>
> Blocks less than .75" don't substantially contribute to axle wrap.
>
> Carl