ZJ Engine overhaul questions
10-07-2007, 01:45 PM
#1
Guest
Posts: n/a
ZJ Engine overhaul questions
My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
whether to
(a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
(b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
(c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
swap it back.
(d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
options.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
whether to
(a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
(b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
(c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
swap it back.
(d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
options.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
10-07-2007, 02:46 PM
#2
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ZJ Engine overhaul questions
J. Clarke wrote:
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
what makes you think it has a cracked ring? Just wondering because
the valve springs on that year had some failure issues.
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
FWIW,
SHORT BLOCK, All Models - 4.0L - 4.0L 97-98 $1,903.50
Includes: Block With Pistons, Rings, Pins, Rods, Main Bearings,
Crankshaft, Camshaft Bearings, Timing Gears And Timing Chain.
SHORT BLOCK, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L 97-98 $1,964.25
Includes: Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft,
Connecting Rods & Bearings.
no core charges, and that's from chryslerpartsdirect.com, OEM.
--
DougW
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
what makes you think it has a cracked ring? Just wondering because
the valve springs on that year had some failure issues.
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
FWIW,
SHORT BLOCK, All Models - 4.0L - 4.0L 97-98 $1,903.50
Includes: Block With Pistons, Rings, Pins, Rods, Main Bearings,
Crankshaft, Camshaft Bearings, Timing Gears And Timing Chain.
SHORT BLOCK, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L 97-98 $1,964.25
Includes: Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft,
Connecting Rods & Bearings.
no core charges, and that's from chryslerpartsdirect.com, OEM.
--
DougW
10-07-2007, 02:46 PM
#3
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ZJ Engine overhaul questions
J. Clarke wrote:
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
what makes you think it has a cracked ring? Just wondering because
the valve springs on that year had some failure issues.
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
FWIW,
SHORT BLOCK, All Models - 4.0L - 4.0L 97-98 $1,903.50
Includes: Block With Pistons, Rings, Pins, Rods, Main Bearings,
Crankshaft, Camshaft Bearings, Timing Gears And Timing Chain.
SHORT BLOCK, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L 97-98 $1,964.25
Includes: Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft,
Connecting Rods & Bearings.
no core charges, and that's from chryslerpartsdirect.com, OEM.
--
DougW
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
what makes you think it has a cracked ring? Just wondering because
the valve springs on that year had some failure issues.
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
FWIW,
SHORT BLOCK, All Models - 4.0L - 4.0L 97-98 $1,903.50
Includes: Block With Pistons, Rings, Pins, Rods, Main Bearings,
Crankshaft, Camshaft Bearings, Timing Gears And Timing Chain.
SHORT BLOCK, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L 97-98 $1,964.25
Includes: Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft,
Connecting Rods & Bearings.
no core charges, and that's from chryslerpartsdirect.com, OEM.
--
DougW
10-07-2007, 02:46 PM
#4
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ZJ Engine overhaul questions
J. Clarke wrote:
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
what makes you think it has a cracked ring? Just wondering because
the valve springs on that year had some failure issues.
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
FWIW,
SHORT BLOCK, All Models - 4.0L - 4.0L 97-98 $1,903.50
Includes: Block With Pistons, Rings, Pins, Rods, Main Bearings,
Crankshaft, Camshaft Bearings, Timing Gears And Timing Chain.
SHORT BLOCK, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L 97-98 $1,964.25
Includes: Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft,
Connecting Rods & Bearings.
no core charges, and that's from chryslerpartsdirect.com, OEM.
--
DougW
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
what makes you think it has a cracked ring? Just wondering because
the valve springs on that year had some failure issues.
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
FWIW,
SHORT BLOCK, All Models - 4.0L - 4.0L 97-98 $1,903.50
Includes: Block With Pistons, Rings, Pins, Rods, Main Bearings,
Crankshaft, Camshaft Bearings, Timing Gears And Timing Chain.
SHORT BLOCK, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L 97-98 $1,964.25
Includes: Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft,
Connecting Rods & Bearings.
no core charges, and that's from chryslerpartsdirect.com, OEM.
--
DougW
10-07-2007, 02:46 PM
#5
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ZJ Engine overhaul questions
J. Clarke wrote:
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
what makes you think it has a cracked ring? Just wondering because
the valve springs on that year had some failure issues.
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
FWIW,
SHORT BLOCK, All Models - 4.0L - 4.0L 97-98 $1,903.50
Includes: Block With Pistons, Rings, Pins, Rods, Main Bearings,
Crankshaft, Camshaft Bearings, Timing Gears And Timing Chain.
SHORT BLOCK, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L 97-98 $1,964.25
Includes: Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft,
Connecting Rods & Bearings.
no core charges, and that's from chryslerpartsdirect.com, OEM.
--
DougW
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
what makes you think it has a cracked ring? Just wondering because
the valve springs on that year had some failure issues.
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
FWIW,
SHORT BLOCK, All Models - 4.0L - 4.0L 97-98 $1,903.50
Includes: Block With Pistons, Rings, Pins, Rods, Main Bearings,
Crankshaft, Camshaft Bearings, Timing Gears And Timing Chain.
SHORT BLOCK, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L 97-98 $1,964.25
Includes: Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft,
Connecting Rods & Bearings.
no core charges, and that's from chryslerpartsdirect.com, OEM.
--
DougW
10-07-2007, 03:23 PM
#6
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ZJ Engine overhaul questions
J. Clarke wrote:
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
>
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
>
If you have the time and a place to do it I'd go with "a", it's probably
the quickest, easiest way to go about it. Unless you are a bit of a
masochist you really want to avoid changing th engine twice!
Another option if it has a 4.0 engine is to see if you can find a good
junkyard engine, especially if you live in the rust belt that might be a
good option, and the cheapest one.
Jeff DeWitt
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
>
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
>
If you have the time and a place to do it I'd go with "a", it's probably
the quickest, easiest way to go about it. Unless you are a bit of a
masochist you really want to avoid changing th engine twice!
Another option if it has a 4.0 engine is to see if you can find a good
junkyard engine, especially if you live in the rust belt that might be a
good option, and the cheapest one.
Jeff DeWitt
10-07-2007, 03:23 PM
#7
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ZJ Engine overhaul questions
J. Clarke wrote:
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
>
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
>
If you have the time and a place to do it I'd go with "a", it's probably
the quickest, easiest way to go about it. Unless you are a bit of a
masochist you really want to avoid changing th engine twice!
Another option if it has a 4.0 engine is to see if you can find a good
junkyard engine, especially if you live in the rust belt that might be a
good option, and the cheapest one.
Jeff DeWitt
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
>
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
>
If you have the time and a place to do it I'd go with "a", it's probably
the quickest, easiest way to go about it. Unless you are a bit of a
masochist you really want to avoid changing th engine twice!
Another option if it has a 4.0 engine is to see if you can find a good
junkyard engine, especially if you live in the rust belt that might be a
good option, and the cheapest one.
Jeff DeWitt
10-07-2007, 03:23 PM
#8
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ZJ Engine overhaul questions
J. Clarke wrote:
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
>
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
>
If you have the time and a place to do it I'd go with "a", it's probably
the quickest, easiest way to go about it. Unless you are a bit of a
masochist you really want to avoid changing th engine twice!
Another option if it has a 4.0 engine is to see if you can find a good
junkyard engine, especially if you live in the rust belt that might be a
good option, and the cheapest one.
Jeff DeWitt
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
>
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
>
If you have the time and a place to do it I'd go with "a", it's probably
the quickest, easiest way to go about it. Unless you are a bit of a
masochist you really want to avoid changing th engine twice!
Another option if it has a 4.0 engine is to see if you can find a good
junkyard engine, especially if you live in the rust belt that might be a
good option, and the cheapest one.
Jeff DeWitt
10-07-2007, 03:23 PM
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ZJ Engine overhaul questions
J. Clarke wrote:
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
>
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
>
If you have the time and a place to do it I'd go with "a", it's probably
the quickest, easiest way to go about it. Unless you are a bit of a
masochist you really want to avoid changing th engine twice!
Another option if it has a 4.0 engine is to see if you can find a good
junkyard engine, especially if you live in the rust belt that might be a
good option, and the cheapest one.
Jeff DeWitt
> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse). I'm
> debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it myself, and
> putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I wouldn't
> have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm debating
> whether to
>
> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine, and
> swap it back.
> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>
> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
> options.
>
If you have the time and a place to do it I'd go with "a", it's probably
the quickest, easiest way to go about it. Unless you are a bit of a
masochist you really want to avoid changing th engine twice!
Another option if it has a 4.0 engine is to see if you can find a good
junkyard engine, especially if you live in the rust belt that might be a
good option, and the cheapest one.
Jeff DeWitt
10-07-2007, 04:07 PM
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ZJ Engine overhaul questions
DougW wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse).
>> I'm debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it
>> myself,
>> and putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I
>> wouldn't have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm
>> debating whether to
>
> what makes you think it has a cracked ring? Just wondering because
> the valve springs on that year had some failure issues.
Symptoms are (1) one and only one plug is getting oil-fouled
regularly, (2) low compression on that cylinder, (3) engine is using a
lot of oil, (4) blows small amount of blue smoke.
>> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
>> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
>> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine,
>> and swap it back.
>> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
>> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>>
>> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
>> options.
>
> FWIW,
>
> SHORT BLOCK, All Models - 4.0L - 4.0L 97-98 $1,903.50
> Includes: Block With Pistons, Rings, Pins, Rods, Main Bearings,
> Crankshaft, Camshaft Bearings, Timing Gears And Timing Chain.
>
> SHORT BLOCK, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L 97-98 $1,964.25
> Includes: Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft,
> Connecting Rods & Bearings.
>
> no core charges, and that's from chryslerpartsdirect.com, OEM.
Good to know. I'm a little hesitant about a short block--the engine
was run oil-starved for a while (don't ask) and I'm betting that the
valve guides aren't pretty. Could do the top overhaul but that would
mean more downtime.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> My 97 ZJ needs an engine overhaul--has a cracked ring (or worse).
>> I'm debating my options. Pulling the engine, overhauling it
>> myself,
>> and putting it back is out--with the engine out of the Jeep I
>> wouldn't have any way to get the block to the machine shop. So I'm
>> debating whether to
>
> what makes you think it has a cracked ring? Just wondering because
> the valve springs on that year had some failure issues.
Symptoms are (1) one and only one plug is getting oil-fouled
regularly, (2) low compression on that cylinder, (3) engine is using a
lot of oil, (4) blows small amount of blue smoke.
>> (a) get a rebuilt long-block and put it in and be done with it or
>> (b) get a junkyard engine, rebuild that, and put it in, or
>> (c) get a junkyard engine, put it in, rebuild the existing engine,
>> and swap it back.
>> (d) get a beater pickup truck and use it to haul the block to the
>> machine shop and back and once the job is done sell the beater.
>>
>> Before I spend money I figured I'd see what others thought of the
>> options.
>
> FWIW,
>
> SHORT BLOCK, All Models - 4.0L - 4.0L 97-98 $1,903.50
> Includes: Block With Pistons, Rings, Pins, Rods, Main Bearings,
> Crankshaft, Camshaft Bearings, Timing Gears And Timing Chain.
>
> SHORT BLOCK, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L - 5.2L, 5.9L 97-98 $1,964.25
> Includes: Cylinder Block With Pistons & Rings, Crankshaft,
> Connecting Rods & Bearings.
>
> no core charges, and that's from chryslerpartsdirect.com, OEM.
Good to know. I'm a little hesitant about a short block--the engine
was run oil-starved for a while (don't ask) and I'm betting that the
valve guides aren't pretty. Could do the top overhaul but that would
mean more downtime.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)