YJ front locker?
04-09-2007, 07:07 PM
#61
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Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails becomes
an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
Carl
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>
>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>
>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>> worse.
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>> venture
>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>
>>>>Sno,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>is
>>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>can
>>>>afford.
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>-----------------
>>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
Carl
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
> concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>
>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>
>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>> worse.
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>> venture
>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>
>>>>Sno,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>is
>>>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>can
>>>>afford.
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>-----------------
>>>>>TheSnoMan.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
04-09-2007, 07:07 PM
#62
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
Earle
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
here,
> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to
> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
> >
> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque
> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
result
> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
matched
> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
YJ
> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >
> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring
> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway
> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
YJ's
> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
it
> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> venture
> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>
> >>>Sno,
> >>>
> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
> >>>is
> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
can
> >>>afford.
> >>>
> >>>Carl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >>>>-----------------
> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
Earle
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
here,
> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to
> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
> >
> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque
> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
result
> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
matched
> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
YJ
> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >
> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring
> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway
> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
YJ's
> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
it
> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> venture
> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>
> >>>Sno,
> >>>
> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
> >>>is
> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
can
> >>>afford.
> >>>
> >>>Carl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >>>>-----------------
> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
04-09-2007, 07:07 PM
#63
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
Earle
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
here,
> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to
> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
> >
> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque
> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
result
> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
matched
> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
YJ
> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >
> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring
> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway
> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
YJ's
> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
it
> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> venture
> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>
> >>>Sno,
> >>>
> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
> >>>is
> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
can
> >>>afford.
> >>>
> >>>Carl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >>>>-----------------
> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
Earle
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
here,
> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to
> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
> >
> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque
> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
result
> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
matched
> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
YJ
> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >
> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring
> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway
> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
YJ's
> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
it
> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> venture
> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>
> >>>Sno,
> >>>
> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
> >>>is
> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
can
> >>>afford.
> >>>
> >>>Carl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >>>>-----------------
> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
04-09-2007, 07:07 PM
#64
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
That sounds OK then. Let us know how it goes. I would price a Detroit
Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
Earle
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
here,
> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to
> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
> >
> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque
> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
result
> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
matched
> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
YJ
> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >
> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring
> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway
> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
YJ's
> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
it
> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> venture
> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>
> >>>Sno,
> >>>
> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
> >>>is
> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
can
> >>>afford.
> >>>
> >>>Carl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >>>>-----------------
> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
Locker and an insert type both, before making the decision.
Earle
"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
here,
> 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
concern.
>
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
> > transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
> > continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing
to
> > the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
> >
> > The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
> > unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
> > U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
> > gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
> > reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough
torque
> > to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
result
> > is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
matched
> > on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges in the
YJ
> > front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
> >
> > Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
ring
> > gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
> > sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
highway
> > speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect worse.
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> >> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the
YJ's
> >> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does
it
> >> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
> >> venture
> >> whether it affects handling or not?
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>
> >>>Sno,
> >>>
> >>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
> >>>comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
> >>>is
> >>>looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
> >>>Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
can
> >>>afford.
> >>>
> >>>Carl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com ...
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> >>>><----------@***.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>if want to see eyes light up
> >>>>>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
> >>>>try to drive and manuver it.
> >>>>-----------------
> >>>>TheSnoMan.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
04-09-2007, 07:39 PM
#65
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
A Detroit type locker will always allow a wheel to turn faster than the
drive train. Making it possible to drive around turns or do pirouettes:
http://www.----------.com/temp/jenjeeproll.mpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:t7jk13pi65q3o5ufeevold9qbqglbjqe3c@4ax.com
>
> Typical troll again because when you use the front axle under power it
> has to have wheels turn at a different speeds in a turn due to physics
> involved and then there is the fact that Ujoints are not constant
> velocity in a turn so they complicate this further and the net result
> is nasty driveline bind and wheels having to skid in a turn and loose
> traction and reduce truning radius. (not to mention strain of front
> axles, joints and stub shafts) You would know this if you really knew
> about the physics involved but your knowledge is very limited here and
> push button 4x4 drive was made just for "people" like you. I tell it
> like it is not like you want to believe it is. Listen and read
> sometimes and you might just learn something.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
--
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drive train. Making it possible to drive around turns or do pirouettes:
http://www.----------.com/temp/jenjeeproll.mpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:t7jk13pi65q3o5ufeevold9qbqglbjqe3c@4ax.com
>
> Typical troll again because when you use the front axle under power it
> has to have wheels turn at a different speeds in a turn due to physics
> involved and then there is the fact that Ujoints are not constant
> velocity in a turn so they complicate this further and the net result
> is nasty driveline bind and wheels having to skid in a turn and loose
> traction and reduce truning radius. (not to mention strain of front
> axles, joints and stub shafts) You would know this if you really knew
> about the physics involved but your knowledge is very limited here and
> push button 4x4 drive was made just for "people" like you. I tell it
> like it is not like you want to believe it is. Listen and read
> sometimes and you might just learn something.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
--
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04-09-2007, 07:39 PM
#66
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
A Detroit type locker will always allow a wheel to turn faster than the
drive train. Making it possible to drive around turns or do pirouettes:
http://www.----------.com/temp/jenjeeproll.mpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:t7jk13pi65q3o5ufeevold9qbqglbjqe3c@4ax.com
>
> Typical troll again because when you use the front axle under power it
> has to have wheels turn at a different speeds in a turn due to physics
> involved and then there is the fact that Ujoints are not constant
> velocity in a turn so they complicate this further and the net result
> is nasty driveline bind and wheels having to skid in a turn and loose
> traction and reduce truning radius. (not to mention strain of front
> axles, joints and stub shafts) You would know this if you really knew
> about the physics involved but your knowledge is very limited here and
> push button 4x4 drive was made just for "people" like you. I tell it
> like it is not like you want to believe it is. Listen and read
> sometimes and you might just learn something.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
drive train. Making it possible to drive around turns or do pirouettes:
http://www.----------.com/temp/jenjeeproll.mpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:t7jk13pi65q3o5ufeevold9qbqglbjqe3c@4ax.com
>
> Typical troll again because when you use the front axle under power it
> has to have wheels turn at a different speeds in a turn due to physics
> involved and then there is the fact that Ujoints are not constant
> velocity in a turn so they complicate this further and the net result
> is nasty driveline bind and wheels having to skid in a turn and loose
> traction and reduce truning radius. (not to mention strain of front
> axles, joints and stub shafts) You would know this if you really knew
> about the physics involved but your knowledge is very limited here and
> push button 4x4 drive was made just for "people" like you. I tell it
> like it is not like you want to believe it is. Listen and read
> sometimes and you might just learn something.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
--
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04-09-2007, 07:39 PM
#67
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
A Detroit type locker will always allow a wheel to turn faster than the
drive train. Making it possible to drive around turns or do pirouettes:
http://www.----------.com/temp/jenjeeproll.mpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:t7jk13pi65q3o5ufeevold9qbqglbjqe3c@4ax.com
>
> Typical troll again because when you use the front axle under power it
> has to have wheels turn at a different speeds in a turn due to physics
> involved and then there is the fact that Ujoints are not constant
> velocity in a turn so they complicate this further and the net result
> is nasty driveline bind and wheels having to skid in a turn and loose
> traction and reduce truning radius. (not to mention strain of front
> axles, joints and stub shafts) You would know this if you really knew
> about the physics involved but your knowledge is very limited here and
> push button 4x4 drive was made just for "people" like you. I tell it
> like it is not like you want to believe it is. Listen and read
> sometimes and you might just learn something.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
drive train. Making it possible to drive around turns or do pirouettes:
http://www.----------.com/temp/jenjeeproll.mpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:t7jk13pi65q3o5ufeevold9qbqglbjqe3c@4ax.com
>
> Typical troll again because when you use the front axle under power it
> has to have wheels turn at a different speeds in a turn due to physics
> involved and then there is the fact that Ujoints are not constant
> velocity in a turn so they complicate this further and the net result
> is nasty driveline bind and wheels having to skid in a turn and loose
> traction and reduce truning radius. (not to mention strain of front
> axles, joints and stub shafts) You would know this if you really knew
> about the physics involved but your knowledge is very limited here and
> push button 4x4 drive was made just for "people" like you. I tell it
> like it is not like you want to believe it is. Listen and read
> sometimes and you might just learn something.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
--
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04-09-2007, 07:41 PM
#68
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Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
She has a YJ with a vacuum disconnect on the front locker's axle for
tight turns that only needs a shift lever move....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl S wrote:
> She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails becomes
> an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
>
> Carl
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
>> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
>> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>>
>>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>>
>>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>>> worse.
>>>
>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>>> venture
>>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>
>>>>> Sno,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>> is
>>>>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>> can
>>>>> afford.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>
>
>
tight turns that only needs a shift lever move....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl S wrote:
> She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails becomes
> an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
>
> Carl
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
>> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
>> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>>
>>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>>
>>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>>> worse.
>>>
>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>>> venture
>>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>
>>>>> Sno,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>> is
>>>>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>> can
>>>>> afford.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>
>
>
04-09-2007, 07:41 PM
#69
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
She has a YJ with a vacuum disconnect on the front locker's axle for
tight turns that only needs a shift lever move....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl S wrote:
> She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails becomes
> an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
>
> Carl
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
>> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
>> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>>
>>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>>
>>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>>> worse.
>>>
>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>>> venture
>>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>
>>>>> Sno,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>> is
>>>>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>> can
>>>>> afford.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>
>
>
tight turns that only needs a shift lever move....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl S wrote:
> She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails becomes
> an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
>
> Carl
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
>> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
>> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>>
>>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>>
>>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>>> worse.
>>>
>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>>> venture
>>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>
>>>>> Sno,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>> is
>>>>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>> can
>>>>> afford.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>
>
>
04-09-2007, 07:41 PM
#70
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: YJ front locker?
She has a YJ with a vacuum disconnect on the front locker's axle for
tight turns that only needs a shift lever move....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl S wrote:
> She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails becomes
> an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
>
> Carl
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
>> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
>> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>>
>>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>>
>>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>>> worse.
>>>
>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>>> venture
>>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>
>>>>> Sno,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>> is
>>>>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>> can
>>>>> afford.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>
>
>
tight turns that only needs a shift lever move....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
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Carl S wrote:
> She will be pleased with a lunchbox up front. If corning on trails becomes
> an issue, consider a 2-LO conversion kit for said turns.
>
> Carl
>
> "Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JBzSh.48720$DE1.20300@pd7urf2no...
>> She has 4.88s, but doesn't go on highways, two ferries to get out of
>> here, 40 miles from one end to other of town, so highway is not much of a
>> concern.
>>
>> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:gsxSh.21156$tD2.7679@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>> The background: A CJ with the hubs unlocked will have no torque
>>> transmitted to the drivetrain. A TJ has no unlocking hub so it
>>> continuously drives the front driveshaft with both wheels contributing to
>>> the drive. Makes the wheel feel 'heavy', gives it a slight understeer.
>>>
>>> The YJ is a strange compromise: when in 2wd, the right outer shaft is
>>> unlocked so the right wheel has no drivetrain drag (except the outer
>>> U-joint if you are turning). The left side is driving the left spider
>>> gear, the two spider idlers, and the right spider at full speed in
>>> reverse. As long as the spider running freely, there is not enough torque
>>> to reverse load the ring and spin the pinion/front drive shaft. The
>>> result is that there is a minor but constant drag on the left that is not
>>> matched on the right side. It will 'pull' to the left. Given the kluges
>>> in the YJ front suspension, it would be hard to notice the minor pull.
>>>
>>> Adding a locker of any type (lunchbox, gear drive, LSD) will make the
>>> ring gear, pinion, and front driveshaft spin at all times. That should be
>>> sufficient to give you a slight but noticeable pull to the left at
>>> highway speed. A high ratio axle (4:11 or 4.56) will make the effect
>>> worse.
>>>
>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>> No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's
>>>> solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it
>>>> continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to
>>>> venture
>>>> whether it affects handling or not?
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>
>>>>> Sno,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it
>>>>> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone
>>>>> is
>>>>> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great.
>>>>> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you
>>>>> can
>>>>> afford.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>>>> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if want to see eyes light up
>>>>>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and
>>>>>> try to drive and manuver it.
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>>>>
>
>
