Re: YJ Axle Seal
 

Real Jeeps have the seal on the outside of steering knuckle where
it protect the universal joints and larger ring gear:
http://www.----------.com/dana25knuckle.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Jerry McG wrote:
>
> If you don't have the factory tool this is a bear to get pressed in without
> ruining the seal. I still have a tool I made for these hanging in my shop
> somewhere. Even with that I generally ruin one or two before I'd get one in
> there fully seated.
>
> The disconnect axle is absolutely the worst piece of Rube Goldberg nonsense
> ever installed on a Jeep.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40ACACC2.E91658D0@sympatico.ca...
> > 3.) You bent it putting it in. (Pretty common happening I hear. I was
> > told to buy an extra for the first one I did.)
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jeepster wrote:
> > >
> > > My son and I replaced the front passenger side outer axle seal on his
> > > 93 YJ the other day and it is still leaking, actually it seems to leak
> > > worse. I pulled the vac disconnect cover plate and checked and the
> > > seal seems to be still seated properly so I got to thinking it might
> > > be one of the following.
> > >
> > > 1.) the axle had a bit of scoring on the part of the shaft that mates
> > > with the seal ... could this cause a bad leak?
> > >
> > > 2.) the inner seal is totally shot and overwhelming the outer seal?
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?

Re: YJ Axle Seal
 

On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:40:00 -0600, "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:

>
>"Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
>news:ft8oa0l4ijt5ddjf5gg34bp5up2dgg97u0@4ax.com.. .
>> My son and I replaced the front passenger side outer axle seal on his
>> 93 YJ the other day and it is still leaking, actually it seems to leak
>> worse. I pulled the vac disconnect cover plate and checked and the
>> seal seems to be still seated properly so I got to thinking it might
>> be one of the following.
>>
>> 1.) the axle had a bit of scoring on the part of the shaft that mates
>> with the seal ... could this cause a bad leak?
>>
>> 2.) the inner seal is totally shot and overwhelming the outer seal?
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>
>The inner seal doesn't do anything that the outer seal doesn't do. That is,
>they both prevent the shift assemby's dedicated oil supply from leaking
>into the axle tube between the inner seal and the right side carrier seal,
>or out the end of the tube.
>
>The oil supply for the shift assembly does not come from the the
>differential, it has to be added to the shift assembly through the 4x4
>indicator light switch hole any time you open the shift housing up. You DID
>put oil into the shift housing after you replaced the outer seal, didn't
>you? If not, you've likely toasted the whole magilla. If you did, then the
>seal isn't properly seated, was damaged when installed, or the outer shaft
>is damaged at the sealing surface.
>As tough as those are to get seated, I'd opt for the first two possibilities
>I listed.
>
I have a little pump I use for diff fluid and each time I take it
apart I pump in enough to give the gear lubrication

I kind of though the inner and outer seals where the same but I was
thinking that the inner seal might be completely gone and overwhelming
the outer seal. I'm guessing now that the shaft is scored enough to
not give me a good seal or I messed up the seal on installation.

Re: YJ Axle Seal
 

On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:40:00 -0600, "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:

>
>"Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
>news:ft8oa0l4ijt5ddjf5gg34bp5up2dgg97u0@4ax.com.. .
>> My son and I replaced the front passenger side outer axle seal on his
>> 93 YJ the other day and it is still leaking, actually it seems to leak
>> worse. I pulled the vac disconnect cover plate and checked and the
>> seal seems to be still seated properly so I got to thinking it might
>> be one of the following.
>>
>> 1.) the axle had a bit of scoring on the part of the shaft that mates
>> with the seal ... could this cause a bad leak?
>>
>> 2.) the inner seal is totally shot and overwhelming the outer seal?
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>
>The inner seal doesn't do anything that the outer seal doesn't do. That is,
>they both prevent the shift assemby's dedicated oil supply from leaking
>into the axle tube between the inner seal and the right side carrier seal,
>or out the end of the tube.
>
>The oil supply for the shift assembly does not come from the the
>differential, it has to be added to the shift assembly through the 4x4
>indicator light switch hole any time you open the shift housing up. You DID
>put oil into the shift housing after you replaced the outer seal, didn't
>you? If not, you've likely toasted the whole magilla. If you did, then the
>seal isn't properly seated, was damaged when installed, or the outer shaft
>is damaged at the sealing surface.
>As tough as those are to get seated, I'd opt for the first two possibilities
>I listed.
>
I have a little pump I use for diff fluid and each time I take it
apart I pump in enough to give the gear lubrication

I kind of though the inner and outer seals where the same but I was
thinking that the inner seal might be completely gone and overwhelming
the outer seal. I'm guessing now that the shaft is scored enough to
not give me a good seal or I messed up the seal on installation.

Re: YJ Axle Seal
 

On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:40:00 -0600, "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:

>
>"Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
>news:ft8oa0l4ijt5ddjf5gg34bp5up2dgg97u0@4ax.com.. .
>> My son and I replaced the front passenger side outer axle seal on his
>> 93 YJ the other day and it is still leaking, actually it seems to leak
>> worse. I pulled the vac disconnect cover plate and checked and the
>> seal seems to be still seated properly so I got to thinking it might
>> be one of the following.
>>
>> 1.) the axle had a bit of scoring on the part of the shaft that mates
>> with the seal ... could this cause a bad leak?
>>
>> 2.) the inner seal is totally shot and overwhelming the outer seal?
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>
>The inner seal doesn't do anything that the outer seal doesn't do. That is,
>they both prevent the shift assemby's dedicated oil supply from leaking
>into the axle tube between the inner seal and the right side carrier seal,
>or out the end of the tube.
>
>The oil supply for the shift assembly does not come from the the
>differential, it has to be added to the shift assembly through the 4x4
>indicator light switch hole any time you open the shift housing up. You DID
>put oil into the shift housing after you replaced the outer seal, didn't
>you? If not, you've likely toasted the whole magilla. If you did, then the
>seal isn't properly seated, was damaged when installed, or the outer shaft
>is damaged at the sealing surface.
>As tough as those are to get seated, I'd opt for the first two possibilities
>I listed.
>
I have a little pump I use for diff fluid and each time I take it
apart I pump in enough to give the gear lubrication

I kind of though the inner and outer seals where the same but I was
thinking that the inner seal might be completely gone and overwhelming
the outer seal. I'm guessing now that the shaft is scored enough to
not give me a good seal or I messed up the seal on installation.

Re: YJ Axle Seal
 

On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:40:00 -0600, "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:

>
>"Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
>news:ft8oa0l4ijt5ddjf5gg34bp5up2dgg97u0@4ax.com.. .
>> My son and I replaced the front passenger side outer axle seal on his
>> 93 YJ the other day and it is still leaking, actually it seems to leak
>> worse. I pulled the vac disconnect cover plate and checked and the
>> seal seems to be still seated properly so I got to thinking it might
>> be one of the following.
>>
>> 1.) the axle had a bit of scoring on the part of the shaft that mates
>> with the seal ... could this cause a bad leak?
>>
>> 2.) the inner seal is totally shot and overwhelming the outer seal?
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>
>The inner seal doesn't do anything that the outer seal doesn't do. That is,
>they both prevent the shift assemby's dedicated oil supply from leaking
>into the axle tube between the inner seal and the right side carrier seal,
>or out the end of the tube.
>
>The oil supply for the shift assembly does not come from the the
>differential, it has to be added to the shift assembly through the 4x4
>indicator light switch hole any time you open the shift housing up. You DID
>put oil into the shift housing after you replaced the outer seal, didn't
>you? If not, you've likely toasted the whole magilla. If you did, then the
>seal isn't properly seated, was damaged when installed, or the outer shaft
>is damaged at the sealing surface.
>As tough as those are to get seated, I'd opt for the first two possibilities
>I listed.
>
I have a little pump I use for diff fluid and each time I take it
apart I pump in enough to give the gear lubrication

I kind of though the inner and outer seals where the same but I was
thinking that the inner seal might be completely gone and overwhelming
the outer seal. I'm guessing now that the shaft is scored enough to
not give me a good seal or I messed up the seal on installation.

Re: YJ Axle Seal
 

Yes that is what I used...I actually had to use the grinder to make
the washer the right size. I will give it another go this weekend and
let you know how it goes.

Thanks everyone

On Thu, 20 May 2004 18:12:53 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I use threaded rod and big thick washers. It 'is' a pain.
>
>Mike
>
>Jerry McG wrote:
>>
>> If you don't have the factory tool this is a bear to get pressed in without
>> ruining the seal. I still have a tool I made for these hanging in my shop
>> somewhere. Even with that I generally ruin one or two before I'd get one in
>> there fully seated.
>>
>> The disconnect axle is absolutely the worst piece of Rube Goldberg nonsense
>> ever installed on a Jeep.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:40ACACC2.E91658D0@sympatico.ca...
>> > 3.) You bent it putting it in. (Pretty common happening I hear. I was
>> > told to buy an extra for the first one I did.)
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Jeepster wrote:
>> > >
>> > > My son and I replaced the front passenger side outer axle seal on his
>> > > 93 YJ the other day and it is still leaking, actually it seems to leak
>> > > worse. I pulled the vac disconnect cover plate and checked and the
>> > > seal seems to be still seated properly so I got to thinking it might
>> > > be one of the following.
>> > >
>> > > 1.) the axle had a bit of scoring on the part of the shaft that mates
>> > > with the seal ... could this cause a bad leak?
>> > >
>> > > 2.) the inner seal is totally shot and overwhelming the outer seal?
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts?

Re: YJ Axle Seal
 

Yes that is what I used...I actually had to use the grinder to make
the washer the right size. I will give it another go this weekend and
let you know how it goes.

Thanks everyone

On Thu, 20 May 2004 18:12:53 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I use threaded rod and big thick washers. It 'is' a pain.
>
>Mike
>
>Jerry McG wrote:
>>
>> If you don't have the factory tool this is a bear to get pressed in without
>> ruining the seal. I still have a tool I made for these hanging in my shop
>> somewhere. Even with that I generally ruin one or two before I'd get one in
>> there fully seated.
>>
>> The disconnect axle is absolutely the worst piece of Rube Goldberg nonsense
>> ever installed on a Jeep.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:40ACACC2.E91658D0@sympatico.ca...
>> > 3.) You bent it putting it in. (Pretty common happening I hear. I was
>> > told to buy an extra for the first one I did.)
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Jeepster wrote:
>> > >
>> > > My son and I replaced the front passenger side outer axle seal on his
>> > > 93 YJ the other day and it is still leaking, actually it seems to leak
>> > > worse. I pulled the vac disconnect cover plate and checked and the
>> > > seal seems to be still seated properly so I got to thinking it might
>> > > be one of the following.
>> > >
>> > > 1.) the axle had a bit of scoring on the part of the shaft that mates
>> > > with the seal ... could this cause a bad leak?
>> > >
>> > > 2.) the inner seal is totally shot and overwhelming the outer seal?
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts?

Re: YJ Axle Seal
 

Yes that is what I used...I actually had to use the grinder to make
the washer the right size. I will give it another go this weekend and
let you know how it goes.

Thanks everyone

On Thu, 20 May 2004 18:12:53 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I use threaded rod and big thick washers. It 'is' a pain.
>
>Mike
>
>Jerry McG wrote:
>>
>> If you don't have the factory tool this is a bear to get pressed in without
>> ruining the seal. I still have a tool I made for these hanging in my shop
>> somewhere. Even with that I generally ruin one or two before I'd get one in
>> there fully seated.
>>
>> The disconnect axle is absolutely the worst piece of Rube Goldberg nonsense
>> ever installed on a Jeep.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:40ACACC2.E91658D0@sympatico.ca...
>> > 3.) You bent it putting it in. (Pretty common happening I hear. I was
>> > told to buy an extra for the first one I did.)
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Jeepster wrote:
>> > >
>> > > My son and I replaced the front passenger side outer axle seal on his
>> > > 93 YJ the other day and it is still leaking, actually it seems to leak
>> > > worse. I pulled the vac disconnect cover plate and checked and the
>> > > seal seems to be still seated properly so I got to thinking it might
>> > > be one of the following.
>> > >
>> > > 1.) the axle had a bit of scoring on the part of the shaft that mates
>> > > with the seal ... could this cause a bad leak?
>> > >
>> > > 2.) the inner seal is totally shot and overwhelming the outer seal?
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts?

Re: YJ Axle Seal
 

Yes that is what I used...I actually had to use the grinder to make
the washer the right size. I will give it another go this weekend and
let you know how it goes.

Thanks everyone

On Thu, 20 May 2004 18:12:53 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I use threaded rod and big thick washers. It 'is' a pain.
>
>Mike
>
>Jerry McG wrote:
>>
>> If you don't have the factory tool this is a bear to get pressed in without
>> ruining the seal. I still have a tool I made for these hanging in my shop
>> somewhere. Even with that I generally ruin one or two before I'd get one in
>> there fully seated.
>>
>> The disconnect axle is absolutely the worst piece of Rube Goldberg nonsense
>> ever installed on a Jeep.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:40ACACC2.E91658D0@sympatico.ca...
>> > 3.) You bent it putting it in. (Pretty common happening I hear. I was
>> > told to buy an extra for the first one I did.)
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Jeepster wrote:
>> > >
>> > > My son and I replaced the front passenger side outer axle seal on his
>> > > 93 YJ the other day and it is still leaking, actually it seems to leak
>> > > worse. I pulled the vac disconnect cover plate and checked and the
>> > > seal seems to be still seated properly so I got to thinking it might
>> > > be one of the following.
>> > >
>> > > 1.) the axle had a bit of scoring on the part of the shaft that mates
>> > > with the seal ... could this cause a bad leak?
>> > >
>> > > 2.) the inner seal is totally shot and overwhelming the outer seal?
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts?

Re: YJ Axle Seal
 

Real Jeeps look like they cost more than my son wants to spend. :)

On Thu, 20 May 2004 16:04:45 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> Real Jeeps have the seal on the outside of steering knuckle where
>it protect the universal joints and larger ring gear:
>http://www.----------.com/dana25knuckle.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:--------------------
>
>Jerry McG wrote:
>>
>> If you don't have the factory tool this is a bear to get pressed in without
>> ruining the seal. I still have a tool I made for these hanging in my shop
>> somewhere. Even with that I generally ruin one or two before I'd get one in
>> there fully seated.
>>
>> The disconnect axle is absolutely the worst piece of Rube Goldberg nonsense
>> ever installed on a Jeep.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:40ACACC2.E91658D0@sympatico.ca...
>> > 3.) You bent it putting it in. (Pretty common happening I hear. I was
>> > told to buy an extra for the first one I did.)
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Jeepster wrote:
>> > >
>> > > My son and I replaced the front passenger side outer axle seal on his
>> > > 93 YJ the other day and it is still leaking, actually it seems to leak
>> > > worse. I pulled the vac disconnect cover plate and checked and the
>> > > seal seems to be still seated properly so I got to thinking it might
>> > > be one of the following.
>> > >
>> > > 1.) the axle had a bit of scoring on the part of the shaft that mates
>> > > with the seal ... could this cause a bad leak?
>> > >
>> > > 2.) the inner seal is totally shot and overwhelming the outer seal?
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts?