But we're paying state federal excise tax how, it's been tax on
tax long before I was born
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I am not in favour of any luxury tax and I really don't feel (too) envious
> about anyone else's vehicle, as long as I am having fun with my own. I might
> have a better car than you, but you may have a better house, and someone
> else may have had better holidays - it's silly to try to decide on a
> benchmark for everything we can afford.
>
> God, I hate the politics of envy ...
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

 

But we're paying state federal excise tax how, it's been tax on
tax long before I was born
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I am not in favour of any luxury tax and I really don't feel (too) envious
> about anyone else's vehicle, as long as I am having fun with my own. I might
> have a better car than you, but you may have a better house, and someone
> else may have had better holidays - it's silly to try to decide on a
> benchmark for everything we can afford.
>
> God, I hate the politics of envy ...
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

 

yup, the reason the UK, Europe and the US go down the toilet, is because
every time somebody whines that somebody else should have prevented
something, another "safeguard" gets put in place and more taxes raised to
pay for it. We will all go to hell in a handbasket, with a howling mass of
bureaucrats baying at our heels..

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F92E353.4C7451C1@***.net...
: But we're paying state federal excise tax how, it's been tax on
: tax long before I was born
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > I am not in favour of any luxury tax and I really don't feel (too)
envious
: > about anyone else's vehicle, as long as I am having fun with my own. I
might
: > have a better car than you, but you may have a better house, and someone
: > else may have had better holidays - it's silly to try to decide on a
: > benchmark for everything we can afford.
: >
: > God, I hate the politics of envy ...
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

 

yup, the reason the UK, Europe and the US go down the toilet, is because
every time somebody whines that somebody else should have prevented
something, another "safeguard" gets put in place and more taxes raised to
pay for it. We will all go to hell in a handbasket, with a howling mass of
bureaucrats baying at our heels..

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F92E353.4C7451C1@***.net...
: But we're paying state federal excise tax how, it's been tax on
: tax long before I was born
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > I am not in favour of any luxury tax and I really don't feel (too)
envious
: > about anyone else's vehicle, as long as I am having fun with my own. I
might
: > have a better car than you, but you may have a better house, and someone
: > else may have had better holidays - it's silly to try to decide on a
: > benchmark for everything we can afford.
: >
: > God, I hate the politics of envy ...
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

 

yup, the reason the UK, Europe and the US go down the toilet, is because
every time somebody whines that somebody else should have prevented
something, another "safeguard" gets put in place and more taxes raised to
pay for it. We will all go to hell in a handbasket, with a howling mass of
bureaucrats baying at our heels..

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F92E353.4C7451C1@***.net...
: But we're paying state federal excise tax how, it's been tax on
: tax long before I was born
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > I am not in favour of any luxury tax and I really don't feel (too)
envious
: > about anyone else's vehicle, as long as I am having fun with my own. I
might
: > have a better car than you, but you may have a better house, and someone
: > else may have had better holidays - it's silly to try to decide on a
: > benchmark for everything we can afford.
: >
: > God, I hate the politics of envy ...
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

 

I have no problem with an extra tax on vehicles that get terrible mileage
like the H2. That is my point. That truck is a joke, but that isn't my
real point. It is the terrible mileage that needs a tax.

My H2 comment was just my opinion. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. They
are silly IMHO. They are terrible off road due to how heavy they are.
Almost ALL of them will never see any off road activity, but you can say
that about most all 4 wheel drives. I would love to put my XJ up against an
H2. It would be a joke. They are just too heavy to go anywhere and too big
to get on most trails. The only thing they can do is go fast over fields
which is what Hummers were designed to do. I will give them that.

Curt

"Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Hilkb.814593$Ho3.223386@sccrnsc03...
> I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong &
therefore
> must be taxed!!!!!
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast.net
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
>
> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
> > routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
> were
> > last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's and
> ones
> > that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle,
it
> > should be exempt from such an extra tax.
> >
> > I do see your point.
> >
> > We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's
around
> > here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
> > silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
> mean
> > they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet we
> have
> > a
> > > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that with
a
> > > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
> > >
> > > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus 800
> > bucks
> > > road tax is fair ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not sure
> if
> > > you
> > > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People
are
> > > living
> > > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial.
The
> > > people
> > > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
> live
> > in
> > > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
> Not
> > > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
> > > country.
> > > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
> > thing.
> > > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be
getting
> > > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
> very
> > > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both
counts.
> > We
> > > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a
stock
> 6
> > > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
> > technology
> > > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe
we
> > > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so much.
> > > :
> > > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law like
> that
> > > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much better
> > than
> > > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
> cool,
> > > but
> > > : junk, by today's standards.
> > > :
> > > : Curt
> > > :
> > > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
> > > : >
> > > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ... costing
> 100K
> > > US
> > > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
> > > : >
> > > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article
compares
> a
> > > 4.0
> > > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but
only
> > > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
> imperial
> > > and
> > > : a
> > > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover
owner
> > > will
> > > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
> needless
> > > to
> > > : > say isn't mentioned...
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

I have no problem with an extra tax on vehicles that get terrible mileage
like the H2. That is my point. That truck is a joke, but that isn't my
real point. It is the terrible mileage that needs a tax.

My H2 comment was just my opinion. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. They
are silly IMHO. They are terrible off road due to how heavy they are.
Almost ALL of them will never see any off road activity, but you can say
that about most all 4 wheel drives. I would love to put my XJ up against an
H2. It would be a joke. They are just too heavy to go anywhere and too big
to get on most trails. The only thing they can do is go fast over fields
which is what Hummers were designed to do. I will give them that.

Curt

"Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Hilkb.814593$Ho3.223386@sccrnsc03...
> I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong &
therefore
> must be taxed!!!!!
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast.net
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
>
> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
> > routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
> were
> > last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's and
> ones
> > that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle,
it
> > should be exempt from such an extra tax.
> >
> > I do see your point.
> >
> > We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's
around
> > here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
> > silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
> mean
> > they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet we
> have
> > a
> > > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that with
a
> > > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
> > >
> > > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus 800
> > bucks
> > > road tax is fair ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not sure
> if
> > > you
> > > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People
are
> > > living
> > > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial.
The
> > > people
> > > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
> live
> > in
> > > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
> Not
> > > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
> > > country.
> > > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
> > thing.
> > > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be
getting
> > > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
> very
> > > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both
counts.
> > We
> > > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a
stock
> 6
> > > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
> > technology
> > > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe
we
> > > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so much.
> > > :
> > > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law like
> that
> > > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much better
> > than
> > > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
> cool,
> > > but
> > > : junk, by today's standards.
> > > :
> > > : Curt
> > > :
> > > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
> > > : >
> > > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ... costing
> 100K
> > > US
> > > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
> > > : >
> > > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article
compares
> a
> > > 4.0
> > > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but
only
> > > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
> imperial
> > > and
> > > : a
> > > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover
owner
> > > will
> > > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
> needless
> > > to
> > > : > say isn't mentioned...
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

I have no problem with an extra tax on vehicles that get terrible mileage
like the H2. That is my point. That truck is a joke, but that isn't my
real point. It is the terrible mileage that needs a tax.

My H2 comment was just my opinion. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. They
are silly IMHO. They are terrible off road due to how heavy they are.
Almost ALL of them will never see any off road activity, but you can say
that about most all 4 wheel drives. I would love to put my XJ up against an
H2. It would be a joke. They are just too heavy to go anywhere and too big
to get on most trails. The only thing they can do is go fast over fields
which is what Hummers were designed to do. I will give them that.

Curt

"Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Hilkb.814593$Ho3.223386@sccrnsc03...
> I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong &
therefore
> must be taxed!!!!!
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast.net
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
>
> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
> > routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
> were
> > last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's and
> ones
> > that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle,
it
> > should be exempt from such an extra tax.
> >
> > I do see your point.
> >
> > We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's
around
> > here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
> > silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
> mean
> > they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet we
> have
> > a
> > > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that with
a
> > > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
> > >
> > > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus 800
> > bucks
> > > road tax is fair ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not sure
> if
> > > you
> > > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People
are
> > > living
> > > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial.
The
> > > people
> > > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
> live
> > in
> > > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
> Not
> > > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
> > > country.
> > > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
> > thing.
> > > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be
getting
> > > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
> very
> > > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both
counts.
> > We
> > > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a
stock
> 6
> > > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
> > technology
> > > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe
we
> > > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so much.
> > > :
> > > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law like
> that
> > > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much better
> > than
> > > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
> cool,
> > > but
> > > : junk, by today's standards.
> > > :
> > > : Curt
> > > :
> > > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
> > > : >
> > > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ... costing
> 100K
> > > US
> > > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
> > > : >
> > > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article
compares
> a
> > > 4.0
> > > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but
only
> > > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
> imperial
> > > and
> > > : a
> > > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover
owner
> > > will
> > > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
> needless
> > > to
> > > : > say isn't mentioned...
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

I think the Government should double tax the home you live in
because probably wastes energy.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

curt wrote:
>
> I have no problem with an extra tax on vehicles that get terrible mileage
> like the H2. That is my point. That truck is a joke, but that isn't my
> real point. It is the terrible mileage that needs a tax.
>
> My H2 comment was just my opinion. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. They
> are silly IMHO. They are terrible off road due to how heavy they are.
> Almost ALL of them will never see any off road activity, but you can say
> that about most all 4 wheel drives. I would love to put my XJ up against an
> H2. It would be a joke. They are just too heavy to go anywhere and too big
> to get on most trails. The only thing they can do is go fast over fields
> which is what Hummers were designed to do. I will give them that.
>
> Curt

 

I think the Government should double tax the home you live in
because probably wastes energy.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

curt wrote:
>
> I have no problem with an extra tax on vehicles that get terrible mileage
> like the H2. That is my point. That truck is a joke, but that isn't my
> real point. It is the terrible mileage that needs a tax.
>
> My H2 comment was just my opinion. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. They
> are silly IMHO. They are terrible off road due to how heavy they are.
> Almost ALL of them will never see any off road activity, but you can say
> that about most all 4 wheel drives. I would love to put my XJ up against an
> H2. It would be a joke. They are just too heavy to go anywhere and too big
> to get on most trails. The only thing they can do is go fast over fields
> which is what Hummers were designed to do. I will give them that.
>
> Curt