Carlo Jr.

I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong & therefore
must be taxed!!!!!

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast.net
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
> routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
were
> last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's and
ones
> that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle, it
> should be exempt from such an extra tax.
>
> I do see your point.
>
> We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's around
> here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
> silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
mean
> they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
>
> Curt
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet we
have
> a
> > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that with a
> > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
> >
> > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus 800
> bucks
> > road tax is fair ?
> >
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >
> > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not sure
if
> > you
> > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People are
> > living
> > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial. The
> > people
> > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
live
> in
> > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
Not
> > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
> > country.
> > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
> thing.
> > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be getting
> > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
very
> > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both counts.
> We
> > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a stock
6
> > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
> technology
> > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe we
> > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so much.
> > :
> > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law like
that
> > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much better
> than
> > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
cool,
> > but
> > : junk, by today's standards.
> > :
> > : Curt
> > :
> > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
> > : >
> > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ... costing
100K
> > US
> > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
> > : >
> > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article compares
a
> > 4.0
> > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but only
> > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
imperial
> > and
> > : a
> > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover owner
> > will
> > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
needless
> > to
> > : > say isn't mentioned...
> > : >
> > : >
> > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > : >
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>

Carlo Jr.

I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong & therefore
must be taxed!!!!!

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast.net
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
> routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
were
> last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's and
ones
> that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle, it
> should be exempt from such an extra tax.
>
> I do see your point.
>
> We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's around
> here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
> silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
mean
> they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
>
> Curt
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet we
have
> a
> > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that with a
> > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
> >
> > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus 800
> bucks
> > road tax is fair ?
> >
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >
> > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not sure
if
> > you
> > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People are
> > living
> > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial. The
> > people
> > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
live
> in
> > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
Not
> > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
> > country.
> > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
> thing.
> > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be getting
> > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
very
> > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both counts.
> We
> > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a stock
6
> > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
> technology
> > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe we
> > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so much.
> > :
> > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law like
that
> > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much better
> than
> > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
cool,
> > but
> > : junk, by today's standards.
> > :
> > : Curt
> > :
> > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
> > : >
> > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ... costing
100K
> > US
> > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
> > : >
> > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article compares
a
> > 4.0
> > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but only
> > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
imperial
> > and
> > : a
> > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover owner
> > will
> > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
needless
> > to
> > : > say isn't mentioned...
> > : >
> > : >
> > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > : >
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>

Carlo Jr.

I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong & therefore
must be taxed!!!!!

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast.net
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
> routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
were
> last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's and
ones
> that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle, it
> should be exempt from such an extra tax.
>
> I do see your point.
>
> We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's around
> here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
> silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
mean
> they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
>
> Curt
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet we
have
> a
> > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that with a
> > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
> >
> > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus 800
> bucks
> > road tax is fair ?
> >
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >
> > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not sure
if
> > you
> > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People are
> > living
> > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial. The
> > people
> > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
live
> in
> > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
Not
> > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
> > country.
> > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
> thing.
> > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be getting
> > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
very
> > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both counts.
> We
> > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a stock
6
> > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
> technology
> > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe we
> > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so much.
> > :
> > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law like
that
> > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much better
> than
> > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
cool,
> > but
> > : junk, by today's standards.
> > :
> > : Curt
> > :
> > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
> > : >
> > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ... costing
100K
> > US
> > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
> > : >
> > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article compares
a
> > 4.0
> > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but only
> > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
imperial
> > and
> > : a
> > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover owner
> > will
> > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
needless
> > to
> > : > say isn't mentioned...
> > : >
> > : >
> > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > : >
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>

Paul Brogren

The thing I see is that the soccer Mom's stopped driving vans to the
practices/games and switched to the full size SUV. Their corporate highly
paid husband can afford something like this so all the cookie cutter wives
have the need to have one or they won't stack up to the other wives in their
cookie cutter suburban living arrangement. Of course, both of these old and
new vehicles get low fuel mileage.

I thought that years ago someone tweaked a carb to get astronomical fuel
mileage without too much power loss? It was a garage tale told around
Michigan for years.

Anyways Dave, It's not fair that you should have to suck up the tax
difference for people driving "luxury" vehicles.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Hilkb.814593$Ho3.223386@sccrnsc03...
> I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong &
therefore
> must be taxed!!!!!
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast.net
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
>
> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
> > routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
> were
> > last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's and
> ones
> > that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle,
it
> > should be exempt from such an extra tax.
> >
> > I do see your point.
> >
> > We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's
around
> > here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
> > silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
> mean
> > they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet we
> have
> > a
> > > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that with
a
> > > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
> > >
> > > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus 800
> > bucks
> > > road tax is fair ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not sure
> if
> > > you
> > > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People
are
> > > living
> > > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial.
The
> > > people
> > > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
> live
> > in
> > > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
> Not
> > > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
> > > country.
> > > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
> > thing.
> > > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be
getting
> > > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
> very
> > > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both
counts.
> > We
> > > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a
stock
> 6
> > > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
> > technology
> > > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe
we
> > > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so much.
> > > :
> > > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law like
> that
> > > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much better
> > than
> > > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
> cool,
> > > but
> > > : junk, by today's standards.
> > > :
> > > : Curt
> > > :
> > > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
> > > : >
> > > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ... costing
> 100K
> > > US
> > > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
> > > : >
> > > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article
compares
> a
> > > 4.0
> > > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but
only
> > > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
> imperial
> > > and
> > > : a
> > > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover
owner
> > > will
> > > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
> needless
> > > to
> > > : > say isn't mentioned...
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Paul Brogren

The thing I see is that the soccer Mom's stopped driving vans to the
practices/games and switched to the full size SUV. Their corporate highly
paid husband can afford something like this so all the cookie cutter wives
have the need to have one or they won't stack up to the other wives in their
cookie cutter suburban living arrangement. Of course, both of these old and
new vehicles get low fuel mileage.

I thought that years ago someone tweaked a carb to get astronomical fuel
mileage without too much power loss? It was a garage tale told around
Michigan for years.

Anyways Dave, It's not fair that you should have to suck up the tax
difference for people driving "luxury" vehicles.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Hilkb.814593$Ho3.223386@sccrnsc03...
> I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong &
therefore
> must be taxed!!!!!
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast.net
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
>
> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
> > routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
> were
> > last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's and
> ones
> > that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle,
it
> > should be exempt from such an extra tax.
> >
> > I do see your point.
> >
> > We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's
around
> > here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
> > silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
> mean
> > they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet we
> have
> > a
> > > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that with
a
> > > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
> > >
> > > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus 800
> > bucks
> > > road tax is fair ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not sure
> if
> > > you
> > > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People
are
> > > living
> > > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial.
The
> > > people
> > > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
> live
> > in
> > > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
> Not
> > > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
> > > country.
> > > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
> > thing.
> > > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be
getting
> > > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
> very
> > > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both
counts.
> > We
> > > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a
stock
> 6
> > > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
> > technology
> > > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe
we
> > > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so much.
> > > :
> > > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law like
> that
> > > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much better
> > than
> > > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
> cool,
> > > but
> > > : junk, by today's standards.
> > > :
> > > : Curt
> > > :
> > > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
> > > : >
> > > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ... costing
> 100K
> > > US
> > > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
> > > : >
> > > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article
compares
> a
> > > 4.0
> > > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but
only
> > > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
> imperial
> > > and
> > > : a
> > > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover
owner
> > > will
> > > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
> needless
> > > to
> > > : > say isn't mentioned...
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Paul Brogren

The thing I see is that the soccer Mom's stopped driving vans to the
practices/games and switched to the full size SUV. Their corporate highly
paid husband can afford something like this so all the cookie cutter wives
have the need to have one or they won't stack up to the other wives in their
cookie cutter suburban living arrangement. Of course, both of these old and
new vehicles get low fuel mileage.

I thought that years ago someone tweaked a carb to get astronomical fuel
mileage without too much power loss? It was a garage tale told around
Michigan for years.

Anyways Dave, It's not fair that you should have to suck up the tax
difference for people driving "luxury" vehicles.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Hilkb.814593$Ho3.223386@sccrnsc03...
> I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong &
therefore
> must be taxed!!!!!
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlo.jr at comcast.net
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
>
> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
> > routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
> were
> > last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's and
> ones
> > that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle,
it
> > should be exempt from such an extra tax.
> >
> > I do see your point.
> >
> > We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's
around
> > here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
> > silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
> mean
> > they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet we
> have
> > a
> > > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that with
a
> > > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
> > >
> > > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus 800
> > bucks
> > > road tax is fair ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not sure
> if
> > > you
> > > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People
are
> > > living
> > > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial.
The
> > > people
> > > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
> live
> > in
> > > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
> Not
> > > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
> > > country.
> > > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
> > thing.
> > > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be
getting
> > > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
> very
> > > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both
counts.
> > We
> > > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a
stock
> 6
> > > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
> > technology
> > > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe
we
> > > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so much.
> > > :
> > > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law like
> that
> > > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much better
> > than
> > > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
> cool,
> > > but
> > > : junk, by today's standards.
> > > :
> > > : Curt
> > > :
> > > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
> > > : >
> > > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ... costing
> 100K
> > > US
> > > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
> > > : >
> > > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article
compares
> a
> > > 4.0
> > > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but
only
> > > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
> imperial
> > > and
> > > : a
> > > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover
owner
> > > will
> > > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
> needless
> > > to
> > > : > say isn't mentioned...
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Dave Milne

I am not in favour of any luxury tax and I really don't feel (too) envious
about anyone else's vehicle, as long as I am having fun with my own. I might
have a better car than you, but you may have a better house, and someone
else may have had better holidays - it's silly to try to decide on a
benchmark for everything we can afford.

God, I hate the politics of envy ...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bmssfp$qkmp0$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
: The thing I see is that the soccer Mom's stopped driving vans to the
: practices/games and switched to the full size SUV. Their corporate highly
: paid husband can afford something like this so all the cookie cutter wives
: have the need to have one or they won't stack up to the other wives in
their
: cookie cutter suburban living arrangement. Of course, both of these old
and
: new vehicles get low fuel mileage.
:
: I thought that years ago someone tweaked a carb to get astronomical fuel
: mileage without too much power loss? It was a garage tale told around
: Michigan for years.
:
: Anyways Dave, It's not fair that you should have to suck up the tax
: difference for people driving "luxury" vehicles.
: --
: Thanks Always !!!
: Paul '75 CJ5 258
: Vail, CO.
: "Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
: news:Hilkb.814593$Ho3.223386@sccrnsc03...
: > I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong &
: therefore
: > must be taxed!!!!!
: >
: > --
: > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
: > carlo.jr at comcast.net
: > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
: > O|||||||O
: > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
: >
: >
: > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
: > news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
: > > Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
: > > routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
: > were
: > > last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's
and
: > ones
: > > that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle,
: it
: > > should be exempt from such an extra tax.
: > >
: > > I do see your point.
: > >
: > > We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's
: around
: > > here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
: > > silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
: > mean
: > > they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
: > >
: > > Curt
: > >
: > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > > news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > > > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet
we
: > have
: > > a
: > > > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that
with
: a
: > > > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
: > > >
: > > > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus
800
: > > bucks
: > > > road tax is fair ?
: > > >
: > > >
: > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > > >
: > > > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
: > > > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
: > > > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not
sure
: > if
: > > > you
: > > > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People
: are
: > > > living
: > > > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial.
: The
: > > > people
: > > > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
: > live
: > > in
: > > > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
: > Not
: > > > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
: > > > country.
: > > > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
: > > thing.
: > > > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be
: getting
: > > > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
: > very
: > > > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both
: counts.
: > > We
: > > > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a
: stock
: > 6
: > > > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
: > > technology
: > > > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe
: we
: > > > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so
much.
: > > > :
: > > > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law
like
: > that
: > > > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much
better
: > > than
: > > > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
: > cool,
: > > > but
: > > > : junk, by today's standards.
: > > > :
: > > > : Curt
: > > > :
: > > > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > > > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > > > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
: > > > : >
: > > > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ...
costing
: > 100K
: > > > US
: > > > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
: > > > : >
: > > > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article
: compares
: > a
: > > > 4.0
: > > > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but
: only
: > > > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
: > imperial
: > > > and
: > > > : a
: > > > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover
: owner
: > > > will
: > > > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
: > needless
: > > > to
: > > > : > say isn't mentioned...
: > > > : >
: > > > : >
: > > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > > > : >
: > > > : >
: > > > : >
: > > > :
: > > > :
: > > >
: > > >
: > >
: > >
: >
: >
:
:

Dave Milne

I am not in favour of any luxury tax and I really don't feel (too) envious
about anyone else's vehicle, as long as I am having fun with my own. I might
have a better car than you, but you may have a better house, and someone
else may have had better holidays - it's silly to try to decide on a
benchmark for everything we can afford.

God, I hate the politics of envy ...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bmssfp$qkmp0$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
: The thing I see is that the soccer Mom's stopped driving vans to the
: practices/games and switched to the full size SUV. Their corporate highly
: paid husband can afford something like this so all the cookie cutter wives
: have the need to have one or they won't stack up to the other wives in
their
: cookie cutter suburban living arrangement. Of course, both of these old
and
: new vehicles get low fuel mileage.
:
: I thought that years ago someone tweaked a carb to get astronomical fuel
: mileage without too much power loss? It was a garage tale told around
: Michigan for years.
:
: Anyways Dave, It's not fair that you should have to suck up the tax
: difference for people driving "luxury" vehicles.
: --
: Thanks Always !!!
: Paul '75 CJ5 258
: Vail, CO.
: "Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
: news:Hilkb.814593$Ho3.223386@sccrnsc03...
: > I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong &
: therefore
: > must be taxed!!!!!
: >
: > --
: > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
: > carlo.jr at comcast.net
: > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
: > O|||||||O
: > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
: >
: >
: > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
: > news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
: > > Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
: > > routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
: > were
: > > last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's
and
: > ones
: > > that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle,
: it
: > > should be exempt from such an extra tax.
: > >
: > > I do see your point.
: > >
: > > We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's
: around
: > > here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
: > > silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
: > mean
: > > they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
: > >
: > > Curt
: > >
: > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > > news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > > > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet
we
: > have
: > > a
: > > > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that
with
: a
: > > > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
: > > >
: > > > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus
800
: > > bucks
: > > > road tax is fair ?
: > > >
: > > >
: > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > > >
: > > > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
: > > > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
: > > > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not
sure
: > if
: > > > you
: > > > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People
: are
: > > > living
: > > > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial.
: The
: > > > people
: > > > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
: > live
: > > in
: > > > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
: > Not
: > > > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
: > > > country.
: > > > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
: > > thing.
: > > > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be
: getting
: > > > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
: > very
: > > > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both
: counts.
: > > We
: > > > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a
: stock
: > 6
: > > > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
: > > technology
: > > > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe
: we
: > > > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so
much.
: > > > :
: > > > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law
like
: > that
: > > > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much
better
: > > than
: > > > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
: > cool,
: > > > but
: > > > : junk, by today's standards.
: > > > :
: > > > : Curt
: > > > :
: > > > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > > > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > > > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
: > > > : >
: > > > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ...
costing
: > 100K
: > > > US
: > > > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
: > > > : >
: > > > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article
: compares
: > a
: > > > 4.0
: > > > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but
: only
: > > > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
: > imperial
: > > > and
: > > > : a
: > > > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover
: owner
: > > > will
: > > > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
: > needless
: > > > to
: > > > : > say isn't mentioned...
: > > > : >
: > > > : >
: > > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > > > : >
: > > > : >
: > > > : >
: > > > :
: > > > :
: > > >
: > > >
: > >
: > >
: >
: >
:
:

Dave Milne

I am not in favour of any luxury tax and I really don't feel (too) envious
about anyone else's vehicle, as long as I am having fun with my own. I might
have a better car than you, but you may have a better house, and someone
else may have had better holidays - it's silly to try to decide on a
benchmark for everything we can afford.

God, I hate the politics of envy ...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bmssfp$qkmp0$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
: The thing I see is that the soccer Mom's stopped driving vans to the
: practices/games and switched to the full size SUV. Their corporate highly
: paid husband can afford something like this so all the cookie cutter wives
: have the need to have one or they won't stack up to the other wives in
their
: cookie cutter suburban living arrangement. Of course, both of these old
and
: new vehicles get low fuel mileage.
:
: I thought that years ago someone tweaked a carb to get astronomical fuel
: mileage without too much power loss? It was a garage tale told around
: Michigan for years.
:
: Anyways Dave, It's not fair that you should have to suck up the tax
: difference for people driving "luxury" vehicles.
: --
: Thanks Always !!!
: Paul '75 CJ5 258
: Vail, CO.
: "Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
: news:Hilkb.814593$Ho3.223386@sccrnsc03...
: > I see..........if you think that it is silly - it must be wrong &
: therefore
: > must be taxed!!!!!
: >
: > --
: > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
: > carlo.jr at comcast.net
: > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
: > O|||||||O
: > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
: >
: >
: > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
: > news:D8jkb.1206$Fc5.1035@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
: > > Aye, I did miss your point. I went into my 'cars need to be better'
: > > routine. I would think SUV's would be rare in Scotland, as least they
: > were
: > > last time I was there. Is there a way to separate the luxury SUV's
and
: > ones
: > > that are used for work? It seems to me if the SUV was a work vehicle,
: it
: > > should be exempt from such an extra tax.
: > >
: > > I do see your point.
: > >
: > > We need to do something in the states to curb all these huge SUV's
: around
: > > here. I mean you should see the size of some of them. The H2 is the
: > > silliest thing I have ever seen. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. I
: > mean
: > > they look retarded. That is what I thought you were getting at.
: > >
: > > Curt
: > >
: > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > > news:Sngkb.1819$jP5.14089414@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > > > you missed my point completely - the UK taxes fuel at 400% and yet
we
: > have
: > > a
: > > > crap article trying to tax SUVs disproportionately on top of that
with
: a
: > > > fixed tax under the pretence that they are luxury vehicles.
: > > >
: > > > Are you going to tell me that paying 4.88 bucks a US gallon, plus
800
: > > bucks
: > > > road tax is fair ?
: > > >
: > > >
: > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > > >
: > > > "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
: > > > news:xAbkb.344$Vf7.204@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
: > > > : Not sure what your point is? This makes sense to me. I am not
sure
: > if
: > > > you
: > > > : noticed, but there are more and more people in the world. People
: are
: > > > living
: > > > : longer, driving more and the whole world is becoming industrial.
: The
: > > > people
: > > > : of China used to ride bikes. Not sure if you know how many people
: > live
: > > in
: > > > : that country? They are now driving cars and polluting like crazy.
: > Not
: > > > : nearly as much as the US however. We pollute by far more than any
: > > > country.
: > > > : Anyway, I don't see a problem with taxing the mileage fuel economy
: > > thing.
: > > > : It would be great if they did that. It just means we will be
: getting
: > > > : smarter. Just because a car doesn't pollute doesn't mean it isn't
: > very
: > > > : powerful. Look how cars have improved over the years in both
: counts.
: > > We
: > > > : used to think a stock 454 was a great motor. Now you can buy a
: stock
: > 6
: > > > : banger that smokes that old v-8. Turbo's and superchargers and
: > > technology
: > > > : has made this possible. If they adopted these policies here maybe
: we
: > > > : wouldn't need to back the truck up over in the middle east so
much.
: > > > :
: > > > : Japan changed the automotive industry in the 70's, maybe a law
like
: > that
: > > > : would change it again even more. I think cars today are much
better
: > > than
: > > > : the old ones. I restore old cars now and again. They are really
: > cool,
: > > > but
: > > > : junk, by today's standards.
: > > > :
: > > > : Curt
: > > > :
: > > > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > > > : news:ZP8kb.1424$ot2.10960965@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > > > : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3202590.stm
: > > > : >
: > > > : > SUVs have big engines .. so they are all Range Rovers ...
costing
: > 100K
: > > > US
: > > > : > ... so we can all afford to pay more tax right ?
: > > > : >
: > > > : > In a typical "its so unfair" misrepresetation, this article
: compares
: > a
: > > > 4.0
: > > > : > v8 as putting out 3 times as much pollution as a 1.5 diesel but
: only
: > > > : > "paying" 75 quid more. As a Renault Clio diesel gets 65.7 mpg
: > imperial
: > > > and
: > > > : a
: > > > : > Land Rover 17 mpg imperial, at 14000 miles a year a Land Rover
: owner
: > > > will
: > > > : > pay £2275 in petrol tax and a Clio driver will pay £588 which
: > needless
: > > > to
: > > > : > say isn't mentioned...
: > > > : >
: > > > : >
: > > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

But we're paying state federal excise tax how, it's been tax on
tax long before I was born
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Dave Milne wrote:
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> I am not in favour of any luxury tax and I really don't feel (too) envious
> about anyone else's vehicle, as long as I am having fun with my own. I might
> have a better car than you, but you may have a better house, and someone
> else may have had better holidays - it's silly to try to decide on a
> benchmark for everything we can afford.
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> God, I hate the politics of envy ...
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> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara