Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a little
off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid road
tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and are
ready for replacement.

Thanks for your input!


--
Billyism
wtshtf@hot<spambuster>mail.com

"I told my constituents if they wanted me back in
Washington as their representative, they should indeed
vote for me. If they don't, I'll go to Texas and they can
all go to hell."

Davy Crockett

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

>what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a little
>off road activity?

Don't know if any tire can claim to be "the best," but BFG AT tires ride well
on and off road, are M+S rated, aren't too noisy, and wear well.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

Your factory tires only lasted 15K??!!?? Are you running them without
air???
I *love* my general grabber ATs. They have a flexible sidewall and a
slightly more open tread pattern than the BFGs. They're good on sand, mud,
rocks (to a point) and very good on the street. When I replace them,
though, I intend to get the Goodyear mt/r tires. JP magazine rated them 3
out of 4 stars in all categories. To me, that indicates a good all-around
tire.
TJim

"Billyism" <wtshtf@hot-spambuster-mail.com> wrote in message
news:vicrt64ok1d66@corp.supernews.com...
> Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a
little
> off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid
road
> tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and
are
> ready for replacement.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
>
> --
> Billyism
> wtshtf@hot<spambuster>mail.com
>
> "I told my constituents if they wanted me back in
> Washington as their representative, they should indeed
> vote for me. If they don't, I'll go to Texas and they can
> all go to hell."
>
> Davy Crockett
>
>
>
>

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:04:17 -0500, "Billyism"
<wtshtf@hot-spambuster-mail.com> wrote:

>Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a little
>off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid road
>tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and are
>ready for replacement.

I was able to squeeze 26,000 off the original Goodyear's on my XJ
myself... I now have BFG All-Terrain KO's that are not pushing 47,000
miles. They are wearing pretty even and the tread looks like I have at
least 5,000 more miles but they are showing age cracks in the tread
groves.


--
Taylor

'89 Audi 200
'03 Audi S6 Avant
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

Ditto.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> >what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a little
> >off road activity?
>
> Don't know if any tire can claim to be "the best," but BFG AT tires ride well
> on and off road, are M+S rated, aren't too noisy, and wear well.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

My opinion is you want way too much out of one tire. You need two sets. I don't think there is a
good mud and ice tire that isn't a mud tire with studs. Mud and ice are much different than mud and
snow rated, and even then mud and snow usually dictate different tires; and then you want it to do
well on road. Not really going to happen in one tire.

The BFGoodrich AT is one of the best middle of the road off road tires that also got the RMA severe
weather rating (more than just M&S rated). The BFG AT will suffice when some chain restrictions are
in force due to the RMA rating, meaning it does quite well in snow due to siping. Ice of course
really dictates the use of studs. If you want a good "ice" tire it needs to be studded, but at the
very least you want to find something with the RMA severe weather rating (look for a mountain with a
snowflake logo on the sidewall of the tire, AND the M&S).

The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky mud and does not clean nearly as
well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that do well in ice (unless studded), or
wear well on road and are not too loud.

BFG ATs are probably a *good* choice, but understand they do almost nothing exceptionally well, but
do most things marginally well. As an all-around tire they are great, but not really great at any
one thing.

BTW, I have used BFG ATs on more than one rig, and currently run them on my XJ. I run them because
on dry dirt they work well, and I know they work well in snow/packed snow on the highway. They also
seem to last forever.

Bottom line though, I'd buy a good snow tire for the winter, and if you really need an "ice" tire
you NEED a studded tire. Then buy a second set for weekend off roading.

Billyism wrote:
>
> Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a little
> off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid road
> tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and are
> ready for replacement.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> --
> Billyism
> wtshtf@hot<spambuster>mail.com
>
> "I told my constituents if they wanted me back in
> Washington as their representative, they should indeed
> vote for me. If they don't, I'll go to Texas and they can
> all go to hell."
>
> Davy Crockett

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

I took my BFG AT's into the snow once... was horrible, they packed with snow
immediatly and I slowly slid right into a ditch. A guy in a Geo Tracker
drove by me giving me the finger... Never again...
Nick

"Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
news:3F26BD86.D54C90A7@nospamsprunty.com...

>
> The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky mud and
does not clean nearly as
> well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that do well
in ice (unless studded), or
> wear well on road and are not too loud.

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

Were they the AT/KO (newer version)? Also, in many snow conditions you do want them to pack),
because rubber doesn't stick to snow. Snow sticks to snow. The sipes in snow tires allow snow to
pack them, sticking to the snow on the road as the tire comes around again. What kind of tires was
the Geo running?

A neat experiment would be to roll a rubber ball down a snowy embankment and see how much bigger it
is at the bottom of the hill. Roll snow around and you can make a pretty big ball of snow because
the snow sticks to itself. I'd suspect you spun your tires trying to clean them rather than only
trying to allow the tires to turn slow enough to stick to the snow on the roadway. Of course
there's a hundred types of snow and they don't all call for the same driving technique. If you're
driving in deep snow, offroad, or powder I'd say the driving technique would be drastically
different, so would the need for a different tire.

Of course no tire is the best at everything, and that's my point. In mud the ATs pack up and are
like racing slicks, so finding one tire to be the best on road and offroad, in multiple offroad
situations is pretty futile. But what tire would you suggest Nick? Maybe I should look for it next
time I buy tires.

Nick N wrote:
>
> I took my BFG AT's into the snow once... was horrible, they packed with snow
> immediatly and I slowly slid right into a ditch. A guy in a Geo Tracker
> drove by me giving me the finger... Never again...
> Nick
>
> "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> news:3F26BD86.D54C90A7@nospamsprunty.com...
>
> >
> > The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky mud and
> does not clean nearly as
> > well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that do well
> in ice (unless studded), or
> > wear well on road and are not too loud.

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

I live in Texas, so snow isn't too much of a concern but once or twice a
year. I drive mostly on the road... the jeep is my only vehicle, but I do a
lot of outdoor stuff and have been down muddy trails. The factory set did
great and not once was I stuck, even when 'regular' vehicles were, but I
assumed it was the 4wd rather than the tires. I probably have another 5-7k
left on them. I would just like some ideas of something with a little more
traction than the factory set that will wear well on the highway too. I'm
sure there is a best choice for each situation. but out right road tires
look awfully funny on a wrangler... almost as bad as 28 inch tires.

Thanks again!!!

Billy


"Billyism" <wtshtf@hot-spambuster-mail.com> wrote in message
news:vicrt64ok1d66@corp.supernews.com...
> Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a
little
> off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid
road
> tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and
are
> ready for replacement.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
>
> --
> Billyism
> wtshtf@hot<spambuster>mail.com
>
> "I told my constituents if they wanted me back in
> Washington as their representative, they should indeed
> vote for me. If they don't, I'll go to Texas and they can
> all go to hell."
>
> Davy Crockett
>
>
>
>

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

If you've got a Costco near you, BFGs are fairly inexpensive and both the AT and MT wear well. If
the factory set did great, then any AT or MT will too. I don't think I really understood your need
for tires/question before.

I think the BFG AT will be more than enough tire. There are also some good Les Schwab tires (but
they may be a PNW thing), or pretty much any agressive tire you find at Wal-Mart. As a matter of
fact Wal-Mart has a decent off road tire, an "HT Super Sport" or something. It's the same as a
Big-O Bigfoot MT if I remember right, but less expensive.

Billyism wrote:
>
> I live in Texas, so snow isn't too much of a concern but once or twice a
> year. I drive mostly on the road... the jeep is my only vehicle, but I do a
> lot of outdoor stuff and have been down muddy trails. The factory set did
> great and not once was I stuck, even when 'regular' vehicles were, but I
> assumed it was the 4wd rather than the tires. I probably have another 5-7k
> left on them. I would just like some ideas of something with a little more
> traction than the factory set that will wear well on the highway too. I'm
> sure there is a best choice for each situation. but out right road tires
> look awfully funny on a wrangler... almost as bad as 28 inch tires.
>
> Thanks again!!!
>
> Billy
>
> "Billyism" <wtshtf@hot-spambuster-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:vicrt64ok1d66@corp.supernews.com...
> > Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a
> little
> > off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid
> road
> > tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and
> are
> > ready for replacement.
> >
> > Thanks for your input!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Billyism
> > wtshtf@hot<spambuster>mail.com
> >
> > "I told my constituents if they wanted me back in
> > Washington as their representative, they should indeed
> > vote for me. If they don't, I'll go to Texas and they can
> > all go to hell."
> >
> > Davy Crockett
> >
> >
> >
> >

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

No they were the older version. I also remember one time turning a corner
and hitting a wet spot on the cement. My back end flew around infront of
me, tires squeling. Again, I was SO not impressed by the at's... In the
snow, I had tried a combo of things. It was deep moist snow. I tried just
moving at idle, it tried gunning it..everything and they just didn't cut it.
As the tracker drove by, I noticed it's tires tread was clearing immediatly
after leaving the ground. Not sure what they were but it was more deep
verticle sipes than horizontal. Right now I have MT's and really like them
but don't yet have experience with them in snow or water.

Nick

"Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
news:3F26CDAE.4F392347@nospamsprunty.com...
> Were they the AT/KO (newer version)? Also, in many snow conditions you do
want them to pack),
> because rubber doesn't stick to snow. Snow sticks to snow. The sipes in
snow tires allow snow to
> pack them, sticking to the snow on the road as the tire comes around
again. What kind of tires was
> the Geo running?
>
> A neat experiment would be to roll a rubber ball down a snowy embankment
and see how much bigger it
> is at the bottom of the hill. Roll snow around and you can make a pretty
big ball of snow because
> the snow sticks to itself. I'd suspect you spun your tires trying to
clean them rather than only
> trying to allow the tires to turn slow enough to stick to the snow on the
roadway. Of course
> there's a hundred types of snow and they don't all call for the same
driving technique. If you're
> driving in deep snow, offroad, or powder I'd say the driving technique
would be drastically
> different, so would the need for a different tire.
>
> Of course no tire is the best at everything, and that's my point. In mud
the ATs pack up and are
> like racing slicks, so finding one tire to be the best on road and
offroad, in multiple offroad
> situations is pretty futile. But what tire would you suggest Nick? Maybe
I should look for it next
> time I buy tires.
>
> Nick N wrote:
> >
> > I took my BFG AT's into the snow once... was horrible, they packed with
snow
> > immediatly and I slowly slid right into a ditch. A guy in a Geo Tracker
> > drove by me giving me the finger... Never again...
> > Nick
> >
> > "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F26BD86.D54C90A7@nospamsprunty.com...
> >
> > >
> > > The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky mud
and
> > does not clean nearly as
> > > well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that do
well
> > in ice (unless studded), or
> > > wear well on road and are not too loud.

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

I also run BFG MTs, on another Jeep, and really like them in the snow. On ice or hardpack it's
another story, and I don't think anything but studs works well. Deep, soft snow, MTs work pretty
well. Onroad it's another story, because vehicles tend to pack the road snow and create an almost
icy situation, whereas the MTs don't have enough bite.

In water, I've found most tires sink, so don't go too deep.

Nick N wrote:
>
> No they were the older version. I also remember one time turning a corner
> and hitting a wet spot on the cement. My back end flew around infront of
> me, tires squeling. Again, I was SO not impressed by the at's... In the
> snow, I had tried a combo of things. It was deep moist snow. I tried just
> moving at idle, it tried gunning it..everything and they just didn't cut it.
> As the tracker drove by, I noticed it's tires tread was clearing immediatly
> after leaving the ground. Not sure what they were but it was more deep
> verticle sipes than horizontal. Right now I have MT's and really like them
> but don't yet have experience with them in snow or water.
>
> Nick
>
> "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> news:3F26CDAE.4F392347@nospamsprunty.com...
> > Were they the AT/KO (newer version)? Also, in many snow conditions you do
> want them to pack),
> > because rubber doesn't stick to snow. Snow sticks to snow. The sipes in
> snow tires allow snow to
> > pack them, sticking to the snow on the road as the tire comes around
> again. What kind of tires was
> > the Geo running?
> >
> > A neat experiment would be to roll a rubber ball down a snowy embankment
> and see how much bigger it
> > is at the bottom of the hill. Roll snow around and you can make a pretty
> big ball of snow because
> > the snow sticks to itself. I'd suspect you spun your tires trying to
> clean them rather than only
> > trying to allow the tires to turn slow enough to stick to the snow on the
> roadway. Of course
> > there's a hundred types of snow and they don't all call for the same
> driving technique. If you're
> > driving in deep snow, offroad, or powder I'd say the driving technique
> would be drastically
> > different, so would the need for a different tire.
> >
> > Of course no tire is the best at everything, and that's my point. In mud
> the ATs pack up and are
> > like racing slicks, so finding one tire to be the best on road and
> offroad, in multiple offroad
> > situations is pretty futile. But what tire would you suggest Nick? Maybe
> I should look for it next
> > time I buy tires.
> >
> > Nick N wrote:
> > >
> > > I took my BFG AT's into the snow once... was horrible, they packed with
> snow
> > > immediatly and I slowly slid right into a ditch. A guy in a Geo Tracker
> > > drove by me giving me the finger... Never again...
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3F26BD86.D54C90A7@nospamsprunty.com...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky mud
> and
> > > does not clean nearly as
> > > > well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that do
> well
> > > in ice (unless studded), or
> > > > wear well on road and are not too loud.

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

You've heard the term "clean it out" that applies to tires too, you
hear them doing just that at the mud bog type races.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The trouble Robert, is that they fill up with ice and mud. I was going to
> make the same suggestion, until I noticed he wanted ice and mud performance.
> I see these requirements as being counter to the demand for long wearing and
> good highway performance. Given his mixed bag of demands, I have no
> suggestions.

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

"Billyism" <wtshtf@hot-spambuster-mail.com> wrote in message
news:vidkdis8sumn0f@corp.supernews.com...
> I live in Texas, so snow isn't too much of a concern but once or twice a
> year. I drive mostly on the road... the jeep is my only vehicle, but I do a
> lot of outdoor stuff and have been down muddy trails. The factory set did
> great and not once was I stuck, even when 'regular' vehicles were, but I
> assumed it was the 4wd rather than the tires. I probably have another 5-7k
> left on them. I would just like some ideas of something with a little more
> traction than the factory set that will wear well on the highway too. I'm
> sure there is a best choice for each situation. but out right road tires
> look awfully funny on a wrangler... almost as bad as 28 inch tires.

From another Texan (by location, not by birth), IMHO you would probably be
best off with the BFG ATs down here. The amount of snow that you get here is
negligible, and you're probably right it was more the 4WD than the tires.
FWIW, I drove my Jeep for a couple years in Chicago on the BFG ATs, as well,
and was happy with their winter performance.

How muddy is "muddy" when you're talking about trails? The BFGs as others
have noted aren't the best in mud, but I've used them offroad on some
relatively soupy stuff and haven't had much problem. Mine have somewhere over
50K miles on them and are just under 50% tread, if I remember what my last
measurements were.

If you've got a TJ, you can go up to a 31" tire without needing to do a lift -
and IMHO they look *very* sharp.

Tirya
--
TDC Inca Jeeper
A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep.

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20medium.jpg
http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20float.mpeg
TJim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW

"Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
news:3F26DDAB.618C6F34@nospamsprunty.com...
> I also run BFG MTs, on another Jeep, and really like them in the snow. On
ice or hardpack it's
> another story, and I don't think anything but studs works well. Deep,
soft snow, MTs work pretty
> well. Onroad it's another story, because vehicles tend to pack the road
snow and create an almost
> icy situation, whereas the MTs don't have enough bite.
>
> In water, I've found most tires sink, so don't go too deep.
>
> Nick N wrote:
> >
> > No they were the older version. I also remember one time turning a
corner
> > and hitting a wet spot on the cement. My back end flew around infront
of
> > me, tires squeling. Again, I was SO not impressed by the at's... In
the
> > snow, I had tried a combo of things. It was deep moist snow. I tried
just
> > moving at idle, it tried gunning it..everything and they just didn't cut
it.
> > As the tracker drove by, I noticed it's tires tread was clearing
immediatly
> > after leaving the ground. Not sure what they were but it was more deep
> > verticle sipes than horizontal. Right now I have MT's and really like
them
> > but don't yet have experience with them in snow or water.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F26CDAE.4F392347@nospamsprunty.com...
> > > Were they the AT/KO (newer version)? Also, in many snow conditions
you do
> > want them to pack),
> > > because rubber doesn't stick to snow. Snow sticks to snow. The sipes
in
> > snow tires allow snow to
> > > pack them, sticking to the snow on the road as the tire comes around
> > again. What kind of tires was
> > > the Geo running?
> > >
> > > A neat experiment would be to roll a rubber ball down a snowy
embankment
> > and see how much bigger it
> > > is at the bottom of the hill. Roll snow around and you can make a
pretty
> > big ball of snow because
> > > the snow sticks to itself. I'd suspect you spun your tires trying to
> > clean them rather than only
> > > trying to allow the tires to turn slow enough to stick to the snow on
the
> > roadway. Of course
> > > there's a hundred types of snow and they don't all call for the same
> > driving technique. If you're
> > > driving in deep snow, offroad, or powder I'd say the driving technique
> > would be drastically
> > > different, so would the need for a different tire.
> > >
> > > Of course no tire is the best at everything, and that's my point. In
mud
> > the ATs pack up and are
> > > like racing slicks, so finding one tire to be the best on road and
> > offroad, in multiple offroad
> > > situations is pretty futile. But what tire would you suggest Nick?
Maybe
> > I should look for it next
> > > time I buy tires.
> > >
> > > Nick N wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I took my BFG AT's into the snow once... was horrible, they packed
with
> > snow
> > > > immediatly and I slowly slid right into a ditch. A guy in a Geo
Tracker
> > > > drove by me giving me the finger... Never again...
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > > "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F26BD86.D54C90A7@nospamsprunty.com...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky
mud
> > and
> > > > does not clean nearly as
> > > > > well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that
do
> > well
> > > > in ice (unless studded), or
> > > > > wear well on road and are not too loud.

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

Well, that wasn't to smart entering water flowing that hard.
Nick

"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:rk6dneHpmIrXNLqiXTWJiw@comcast.com...
> http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20medium.jpg
> http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20float.mpeg
> TJim
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

LOL That was my thought also.
I guess they never went white water rafting,canoeing or kayaking :-)

Nick N wrote:
> Well, that wasn't to smart entering water flowing that hard.
> Nick
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:rk6dneHpmIrXNLqiXTWJiw@comcast.com...
>
>>http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20medium.jpg
>>http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20float.mpeg
>>TJim
>>98 TJ SE
>>90 SJ GW
>
>
>

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:17:28 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
wrote:

http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20float.mpeg

That was wicked... that wasn't you was it? Did the people recover the
TJ? No doubt that was a expensive lesson on what not to do at water
crossings...


--
Taylor

'89 Audi 200
'03 Audi S6 Avant
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport

Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

No, it wasn't me (I've been in water almost that deep, but never moving
water).
You can get the entire story on:
http://www.wheelingadventures.com/No...t=ST;f=1;t=733
and the pictures on:
http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_run/
It must have been quite an adventure! Scary, too!
TJim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW

"Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
news:3f2ee01c.2955129@wilhelp.com...
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:17:28 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20float.mpeg
>
> That was wicked... that wasn't you was it? Did the people recover the
> TJ? No doubt that was a expensive lesson on what not to do at water
> crossings...
>
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Re: Yes, another post requesting info on tires
 

"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> > The trouble Robert, is that they fill up with ice and mud. I was going
to
> > make the same suggestion, until I noticed he wanted ice and mud
> > performance. I see these requirements as being counter to the demand for
> > long wearing and good highway performance. Given his mixed bag of
demands,
> > I have no suggestions.
>
> All-Terrain KO's are the closest thing he'll get to the best for ice and
> mud. Apart from that, he has to decide which one he wants more duty for -
> ice or mud.
>
> AT's do pack up, but name another tire that does such an all-around good
> job. JP magazine's own tire test revealed that of all the mud tires and
> serious off-road tires, the AT's did the best in ice and slippery
> conditions.
>

Well, there you go! Get a set of BFG A/T KOs.



> Another tire I can think of is Pro Comp Mud Terrain's. They have bigger
> spacing to work better in mud, yet they're siped for good road use in
> slippery conditions. I have no experience with them, as I run AT's, but
> many people like them. They don't last that long, however.