Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
 

No, it was seventies technology in the seventies... (maybe eighties, too).
Many new trucks and vans have a factory option that does "internal
modifications" in prep for alternate fuel usage: specifically propane and
natural gas. I recently (last week) checked out what it would cost to
convert my '97 Suburban to propane ($3000CDN) and decided it wasn't worth
the cost for me as it would take me 3 years to recover the investment with
the amount I drive it. Propane guy said if I had a pre-96 GM, it would be
about $800-$1000 less as I wouldn't need the secondary computer that newer
propane conversions require. A '92 p/u conversion with a used bed mounted
tank was $800.00. When you figure your fuel bill is currently cut by 50%,
the benefits can add up quick. As for the bro-in-law, his vehicles tend to
get used alot more- to the tune of 60- 100,000km \yr. His payback would be
in about a year or so. Additionally, maintenance costs are lower as propane
burns cleaner, and the propane system can be moved to another vehicle so
capital costs are lower, too.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4324C958.A7EFFB51@cox.net...
> That was seventies technology, and failure at that. Was anyone
> smart enough in your brother's yard to figure the costs per mile????????
> And It is my fondest wish that you, too drive a propane car.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Francis wrote:
>>
>> You, sir are respectfully on crack in regards to propane powered
>> vehicles.
>> They are as common as dirt up here in the Great White North. Dodge even
>> offered it from the factory on their pickups for a while. They used to
>> run
>> alot of the school buses on them (but use NGV on them now as its cheaper)
>> My
>> brother-in-law has been running propane powered vehicles for himself and
>> his
>> company for 15-20 years and hasn't blown up yet. Cold weather starting
>> is a
>> non-issue as most conversions are dual-fuel i.e. start on gas switch to
>> propane IF you have troubles. We had a Crown Vic on propane only in the
>> family for 8 yrs. never had a problem with it icing up even in -40
>> weather.
>> Up here there is a huge cost saving $1.14/litre for gas vs.$0.58/litre
>> propane.
>> Bob

Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
 

No, it was seventies technology in the seventies... (maybe eighties, too).
Many new trucks and vans have a factory option that does "internal
modifications" in prep for alternate fuel usage: specifically propane and
natural gas. I recently (last week) checked out what it would cost to
convert my '97 Suburban to propane ($3000CDN) and decided it wasn't worth
the cost for me as it would take me 3 years to recover the investment with
the amount I drive it. Propane guy said if I had a pre-96 GM, it would be
about $800-$1000 less as I wouldn't need the secondary computer that newer
propane conversions require. A '92 p/u conversion with a used bed mounted
tank was $800.00. When you figure your fuel bill is currently cut by 50%,
the benefits can add up quick. As for the bro-in-law, his vehicles tend to
get used alot more- to the tune of 60- 100,000km \yr. His payback would be
in about a year or so. Additionally, maintenance costs are lower as propane
burns cleaner, and the propane system can be moved to another vehicle so
capital costs are lower, too.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4324C958.A7EFFB51@cox.net...
> That was seventies technology, and failure at that. Was anyone
> smart enough in your brother's yard to figure the costs per mile????????
> And It is my fondest wish that you, too drive a propane car.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Francis wrote:
>>
>> You, sir are respectfully on crack in regards to propane powered
>> vehicles.
>> They are as common as dirt up here in the Great White North. Dodge even
>> offered it from the factory on their pickups for a while. They used to
>> run
>> alot of the school buses on them (but use NGV on them now as its cheaper)
>> My
>> brother-in-law has been running propane powered vehicles for himself and
>> his
>> company for 15-20 years and hasn't blown up yet. Cold weather starting
>> is a
>> non-issue as most conversions are dual-fuel i.e. start on gas switch to
>> propane IF you have troubles. We had a Crown Vic on propane only in the
>> family for 8 yrs. never had a problem with it icing up even in -40
>> weather.
>> Up here there is a huge cost saving $1.14/litre for gas vs.$0.58/litre
>> propane.
>> Bob

Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
 

No, it was seventies technology in the seventies... (maybe eighties, too).
Many new trucks and vans have a factory option that does "internal
modifications" in prep for alternate fuel usage: specifically propane and
natural gas. I recently (last week) checked out what it would cost to
convert my '97 Suburban to propane ($3000CDN) and decided it wasn't worth
the cost for me as it would take me 3 years to recover the investment with
the amount I drive it. Propane guy said if I had a pre-96 GM, it would be
about $800-$1000 less as I wouldn't need the secondary computer that newer
propane conversions require. A '92 p/u conversion with a used bed mounted
tank was $800.00. When you figure your fuel bill is currently cut by 50%,
the benefits can add up quick. As for the bro-in-law, his vehicles tend to
get used alot more- to the tune of 60- 100,000km \yr. His payback would be
in about a year or so. Additionally, maintenance costs are lower as propane
burns cleaner, and the propane system can be moved to another vehicle so
capital costs are lower, too.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4324C958.A7EFFB51@cox.net...
> That was seventies technology, and failure at that. Was anyone
> smart enough in your brother's yard to figure the costs per mile????????
> And It is my fondest wish that you, too drive a propane car.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Francis wrote:
>>
>> You, sir are respectfully on crack in regards to propane powered
>> vehicles.
>> They are as common as dirt up here in the Great White North. Dodge even
>> offered it from the factory on their pickups for a while. They used to
>> run
>> alot of the school buses on them (but use NGV on them now as its cheaper)
>> My
>> brother-in-law has been running propane powered vehicles for himself and
>> his
>> company for 15-20 years and hasn't blown up yet. Cold weather starting
>> is a
>> non-issue as most conversions are dual-fuel i.e. start on gas switch to
>> propane IF you have troubles. We had a Crown Vic on propane only in the
>> family for 8 yrs. never had a problem with it icing up even in -40
>> weather.
>> Up here there is a huge cost saving $1.14/litre for gas vs.$0.58/litre
>> propane.
>> Bob

Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
 

If propane is "seventies technology" gasoline is "nineties
technology", 1890s that is.

Propane gas is a better fuel than gasoline is from an engine
combustion standpoint. Gasoline has more energy per gallon but propane
has more per pound.

If your '97 Suburban engine is a small block Chevy with a distributor
you may be able to do away with the engine computer entirely and go to
a carburetor manifold and a conventional distributor, if emissions
regs there permit it.

Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
 

If propane is "seventies technology" gasoline is "nineties
technology", 1890s that is.

Propane gas is a better fuel than gasoline is from an engine
combustion standpoint. Gasoline has more energy per gallon but propane
has more per pound.

If your '97 Suburban engine is a small block Chevy with a distributor
you may be able to do away with the engine computer entirely and go to
a carburetor manifold and a conventional distributor, if emissions
regs there permit it.

Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
 

If propane is "seventies technology" gasoline is "nineties
technology", 1890s that is.

Propane gas is a better fuel than gasoline is from an engine
combustion standpoint. Gasoline has more energy per gallon but propane
has more per pound.

If your '97 Suburban engine is a small block Chevy with a distributor
you may be able to do away with the engine computer entirely and go to
a carburetor manifold and a conventional distributor, if emissions
regs there permit it.

Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
 

If propane is "seventies technology" gasoline is "nineties
technology", 1890s that is.

Propane gas is a better fuel than gasoline is from an engine
combustion standpoint. Gasoline has more energy per gallon but propane
has more per pound.

If your '97 Suburban engine is a small block Chevy with a distributor
you may be able to do away with the engine computer entirely and go to
a carburetor manifold and a conventional distributor, if emissions
regs there permit it.

Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
 

It is my fondest wish that you have to drive a propane powered
vehicle.
http://search.ebay.com/Propane-power...Z1QQsofocusZbs
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> If propane is "seventies technology" gasoline is "nineties
> technology", 1890s that is.
>
> Propane gas is a better fuel than gasoline is from an engine
> combustion standpoint. Gasoline has more energy per gallon but propane
> has more per pound.
>
> If your '97 Suburban engine is a small block Chevy with a distributor
> you may be able to do away with the engine computer entirely and go to
> a carburetor manifold and a conventional distributor, if emissions
> regs there permit it.

Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
 

It is my fondest wish that you have to drive a propane powered
vehicle.
http://search.ebay.com/Propane-power...Z1QQsofocusZbs
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> If propane is "seventies technology" gasoline is "nineties
> technology", 1890s that is.
>
> Propane gas is a better fuel than gasoline is from an engine
> combustion standpoint. Gasoline has more energy per gallon but propane
> has more per pound.
>
> If your '97 Suburban engine is a small block Chevy with a distributor
> you may be able to do away with the engine computer entirely and go to
> a carburetor manifold and a conventional distributor, if emissions
> regs there permit it.

Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
 

It is my fondest wish that you have to drive a propane powered
vehicle.
http://search.ebay.com/Propane-power...Z1QQsofocusZbs
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> If propane is "seventies technology" gasoline is "nineties
> technology", 1890s that is.
>
> Propane gas is a better fuel than gasoline is from an engine
> combustion standpoint. Gasoline has more energy per gallon but propane
> has more per pound.
>
> If your '97 Suburban engine is a small block Chevy with a distributor
> you may be able to do away with the engine computer entirely and go to
> a carburetor manifold and a conventional distributor, if emissions
> regs there permit it.