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Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
How do I check/change the tranny fluid?
Ivan On 2007-08-07, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote: > What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and > slave, bleed the system. > > Change the tranny fluid also. If the old tranny fluid is the least bit > milky or green, consider running it the new fluid for a few miles and > then changing it again. > > Earle Horton wrote: >> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without >> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the >> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help >> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you >> don't know what is going on. >> >> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other >> symptoms don't sound normal though. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Earle >> >> "Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message >> news:slrnfbf3us.ulp.aij+nospam@tellurium.club.cc.c mu.edu... >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago, >>> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it >>> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but >>> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch >>> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that >>> might be normal. >>> >>> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent. >>> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise >>> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release >>> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral >>> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few >>> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged. >>> >>> Any idea what could be causing this? >>> >>> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it. >>> >>> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a >>> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than >>> 1krpm while engaging the clutch. >>> >>> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the >>> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else >>> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I >>> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ivan >> >> |
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
How do I check/change the tranny fluid?
Ivan On 2007-08-07, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote: > What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and > slave, bleed the system. > > Change the tranny fluid also. If the old tranny fluid is the least bit > milky or green, consider running it the new fluid for a few miles and > then changing it again. > > Earle Horton wrote: >> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without >> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the >> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help >> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you >> don't know what is going on. >> >> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other >> symptoms don't sound normal though. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Earle >> >> "Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message >> news:slrnfbf3us.ulp.aij+nospam@tellurium.club.cc.c mu.edu... >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago, >>> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it >>> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but >>> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch >>> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that >>> might be normal. >>> >>> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent. >>> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise >>> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release >>> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral >>> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few >>> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged. >>> >>> Any idea what could be causing this? >>> >>> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it. >>> >>> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a >>> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than >>> 1krpm while engaging the clutch. >>> >>> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the >>> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else >>> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I >>> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ivan >> >> |
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
How do I check/change the tranny fluid?
Ivan On 2007-08-07, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote: > What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and > slave, bleed the system. > > Change the tranny fluid also. If the old tranny fluid is the least bit > milky or green, consider running it the new fluid for a few miles and > then changing it again. > > Earle Horton wrote: >> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without >> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the >> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help >> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you >> don't know what is going on. >> >> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other >> symptoms don't sound normal though. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Earle >> >> "Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message >> news:slrnfbf3us.ulp.aij+nospam@tellurium.club.cc.c mu.edu... >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago, >>> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it >>> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but >>> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch >>> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that >>> might be normal. >>> >>> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent. >>> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise >>> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release >>> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral >>> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few >>> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged. >>> >>> Any idea what could be causing this? >>> >>> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it. >>> >>> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a >>> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than >>> 1krpm while engaging the clutch. >>> >>> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the >>> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else >>> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I >>> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ivan >> >> |
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
Ivan Jager wrote:
> Hi, > > I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago, > the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it > often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but > doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch > spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that > might be normal. > > The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent. > Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise > when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release > the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral > without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few > seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged. > > Any idea what could be causing this? > > The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it. > > Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a > stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than > 1krpm while engaging the clutch. > > Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the > transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else > the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I > don't think I'm comfortable doing yet. > > Thanks, > Ivan I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros. Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and mud... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
Ivan Jager wrote:
> Hi, > > I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago, > the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it > often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but > doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch > spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that > might be normal. > > The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent. > Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise > when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release > the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral > without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few > seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged. > > Any idea what could be causing this? > > The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it. > > Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a > stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than > 1krpm while engaging the clutch. > > Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the > transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else > the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I > don't think I'm comfortable doing yet. > > Thanks, > Ivan I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros. Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and mud... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
Ivan Jager wrote:
> Hi, > > I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago, > the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it > often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but > doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch > spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that > might be normal. > > The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent. > Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise > when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release > the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral > without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few > seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged. > > Any idea what could be causing this? > > The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it. > > Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a > stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than > 1krpm while engaging the clutch. > > Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the > transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else > the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I > don't think I'm comfortable doing yet. > > Thanks, > Ivan I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros. Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and mud... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
Ivan Jager wrote:
> Hi, > > I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago, > the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it > often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but > doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch > spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that > might be normal. > > The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent. > Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise > when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release > the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral > without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few > seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged. > > Any idea what could be causing this? > > The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it. > > Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a > stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than > 1krpm while engaging the clutch. > > Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the > transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else > the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I > don't think I'm comfortable doing yet. > > Thanks, > Ivan I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros. Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and mud... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
On 2007-08-06, Earle Horton <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote:
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without > taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the > master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help > too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you > don't know what is going on. > > The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other > symptoms don't sound normal though. Do I need to remove the slave cylinder in order to bleed the system? I was expecting there to be place to attach a hose, and some sort of valve, but it's just a black plastic cylinder. There's a small bit of plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything useful. BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before. Ivan |
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
On 2007-08-06, Earle Horton <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote:
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without > taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the > master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help > too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you > don't know what is going on. > > The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other > symptoms don't sound normal though. Do I need to remove the slave cylinder in order to bleed the system? I was expecting there to be place to attach a hose, and some sort of valve, but it's just a black plastic cylinder. There's a small bit of plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything useful. BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before. Ivan |
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
On 2007-08-06, Earle Horton <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote:
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without > taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the > master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help > too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you > don't know what is going on. > > The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other > symptoms don't sound normal though. Do I need to remove the slave cylinder in order to bleed the system? I was expecting there to be place to attach a hose, and some sort of valve, but it's just a black plastic cylinder. There's a small bit of plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything useful. BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before. Ivan |
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