Wrangler - What to buy?
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Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
Knowing how much I paid in taxes while driving, I'll never believe
that.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
> weight.
>
> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is reduced
> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
> 12-15 thousand.
>
> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are contributing
> 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
that.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
> weight.
>
> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is reduced
> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
> 12-15 thousand.
>
> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are contributing
> 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
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Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
Most of those are probably the gravel haulers. You should see the ruts they
leave on asphalt pavement at the intersections closest to the gravel pits.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:33e20$438e3b2d$4831b233$27299@FUSE.NET...
> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
> weight.
>
> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
> reduced
> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
> 12-15 thousand.
>
> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
> contributing 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Matthew Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8MCdnWl1K7dauRPenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Which would explain why we have to rebuild our highways every three
>> years.
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:81929$438c9708$4831b233$13064@FUSE.NET...
>>> In Michigan the limit is 164,000 pounds with proper weight per axle
>>> (13K-16K pounds per axle)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>> news:Eu0jf.17994$Lw5.8782@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>>>> We have an all up weight of 44 metric tonnes ( 97,000 lb) for 6 axled
>>>> artics.
>>>> How much did your trucks + trailers weigh, Bill ?
>>>>
>>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:438B6E42.F9D3C0F5@***.net...
>>>>> Yep, eighty thousand pounds, or forty tons is what the legal
>>>>> gross
>>>>> truck load limit, without special permits and pilot cars. The UK at
>>>>> least in Canada is weird on their gallons, too.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Milne wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is there really 2000lb in a ton ? We have it at 2240 ( 20 x 1
>>>>> > hundred
>>>> weight
>>>>> > = 112 lb)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
leave on asphalt pavement at the intersections closest to the gravel pits.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:33e20$438e3b2d$4831b233$27299@FUSE.NET...
> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
> weight.
>
> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
> reduced
> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
> 12-15 thousand.
>
> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
> contributing 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Matthew Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8MCdnWl1K7dauRPenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Which would explain why we have to rebuild our highways every three
>> years.
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:81929$438c9708$4831b233$13064@FUSE.NET...
>>> In Michigan the limit is 164,000 pounds with proper weight per axle
>>> (13K-16K pounds per axle)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>> news:Eu0jf.17994$Lw5.8782@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>>>> We have an all up weight of 44 metric tonnes ( 97,000 lb) for 6 axled
>>>> artics.
>>>> How much did your trucks + trailers weigh, Bill ?
>>>>
>>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:438B6E42.F9D3C0F5@***.net...
>>>>> Yep, eighty thousand pounds, or forty tons is what the legal
>>>>> gross
>>>>> truck load limit, without special permits and pilot cars. The UK at
>>>>> least in Canada is weird on their gallons, too.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Milne wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is there really 2000lb in a ton ? We have it at 2240 ( 20 x 1
>>>>> > hundred
>>>> weight
>>>>> > = 112 lb)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
Most of those are probably the gravel haulers. You should see the ruts they
leave on asphalt pavement at the intersections closest to the gravel pits.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:33e20$438e3b2d$4831b233$27299@FUSE.NET...
> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
> weight.
>
> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
> reduced
> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
> 12-15 thousand.
>
> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
> contributing 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Matthew Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8MCdnWl1K7dauRPenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Which would explain why we have to rebuild our highways every three
>> years.
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:81929$438c9708$4831b233$13064@FUSE.NET...
>>> In Michigan the limit is 164,000 pounds with proper weight per axle
>>> (13K-16K pounds per axle)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>> news:Eu0jf.17994$Lw5.8782@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>>>> We have an all up weight of 44 metric tonnes ( 97,000 lb) for 6 axled
>>>> artics.
>>>> How much did your trucks + trailers weigh, Bill ?
>>>>
>>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:438B6E42.F9D3C0F5@***.net...
>>>>> Yep, eighty thousand pounds, or forty tons is what the legal
>>>>> gross
>>>>> truck load limit, without special permits and pilot cars. The UK at
>>>>> least in Canada is weird on their gallons, too.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Milne wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is there really 2000lb in a ton ? We have it at 2240 ( 20 x 1
>>>>> > hundred
>>>> weight
>>>>> > = 112 lb)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
leave on asphalt pavement at the intersections closest to the gravel pits.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:33e20$438e3b2d$4831b233$27299@FUSE.NET...
> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
> weight.
>
> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
> reduced
> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
> 12-15 thousand.
>
> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
> contributing 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Matthew Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8MCdnWl1K7dauRPenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Which would explain why we have to rebuild our highways every three
>> years.
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:81929$438c9708$4831b233$13064@FUSE.NET...
>>> In Michigan the limit is 164,000 pounds with proper weight per axle
>>> (13K-16K pounds per axle)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>> news:Eu0jf.17994$Lw5.8782@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>>>> We have an all up weight of 44 metric tonnes ( 97,000 lb) for 6 axled
>>>> artics.
>>>> How much did your trucks + trailers weigh, Bill ?
>>>>
>>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:438B6E42.F9D3C0F5@***.net...
>>>>> Yep, eighty thousand pounds, or forty tons is what the legal
>>>>> gross
>>>>> truck load limit, without special permits and pilot cars. The UK at
>>>>> least in Canada is weird on their gallons, too.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Milne wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is there really 2000lb in a ton ? We have it at 2240 ( 20 x 1
>>>>> > hundred
>>>> weight
>>>>> > = 112 lb)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
Most of those are probably the gravel haulers. You should see the ruts they
leave on asphalt pavement at the intersections closest to the gravel pits.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:33e20$438e3b2d$4831b233$27299@FUSE.NET...
> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
> weight.
>
> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
> reduced
> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
> 12-15 thousand.
>
> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
> contributing 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Matthew Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8MCdnWl1K7dauRPenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Which would explain why we have to rebuild our highways every three
>> years.
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:81929$438c9708$4831b233$13064@FUSE.NET...
>>> In Michigan the limit is 164,000 pounds with proper weight per axle
>>> (13K-16K pounds per axle)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>> news:Eu0jf.17994$Lw5.8782@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>>>> We have an all up weight of 44 metric tonnes ( 97,000 lb) for 6 axled
>>>> artics.
>>>> How much did your trucks + trailers weigh, Bill ?
>>>>
>>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:438B6E42.F9D3C0F5@***.net...
>>>>> Yep, eighty thousand pounds, or forty tons is what the legal
>>>>> gross
>>>>> truck load limit, without special permits and pilot cars. The UK at
>>>>> least in Canada is weird on their gallons, too.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Milne wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is there really 2000lb in a ton ? We have it at 2240 ( 20 x 1
>>>>> > hundred
>>>> weight
>>>>> > = 112 lb)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
leave on asphalt pavement at the intersections closest to the gravel pits.
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:33e20$438e3b2d$4831b233$27299@FUSE.NET...
> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
> weight.
>
> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
> reduced
> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
> 12-15 thousand.
>
> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
> contributing 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Matthew Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8MCdnWl1K7dauRPenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Which would explain why we have to rebuild our highways every three
>> years.
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:81929$438c9708$4831b233$13064@FUSE.NET...
>>> In Michigan the limit is 164,000 pounds with proper weight per axle
>>> (13K-16K pounds per axle)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>> news:Eu0jf.17994$Lw5.8782@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>>>> We have an all up weight of 44 metric tonnes ( 97,000 lb) for 6 axled
>>>> artics.
>>>> How much did your trucks + trailers weigh, Bill ?
>>>>
>>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:438B6E42.F9D3C0F5@***.net...
>>>>> Yep, eighty thousand pounds, or forty tons is what the legal
>>>>> gross
>>>>> truck load limit, without special permits and pilot cars. The UK at
>>>>> least in Canada is weird on their gallons, too.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Milne wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is there really 2000lb in a ton ? We have it at 2240 ( 20 x 1
>>>>> > hundred
>>>> weight
>>>>> > = 112 lb)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
Ever driven in Michigan?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438E3D71.C87A10D1@***.net...
> Knowing how much I paid in taxes while driving, I'll never believe
> that.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
>> weight.
>>
>> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
>> reduced
>> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
>> 12-15 thousand.
>>
>> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
>> contributing
>> 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438E3D71.C87A10D1@***.net...
> Knowing how much I paid in taxes while driving, I'll never believe
> that.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
>> weight.
>>
>> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
>> reduced
>> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
>> 12-15 thousand.
>>
>> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
>> contributing
>> 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
Guest
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Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
Ever driven in Michigan?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438E3D71.C87A10D1@***.net...
> Knowing how much I paid in taxes while driving, I'll never believe
> that.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
>> weight.
>>
>> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
>> reduced
>> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
>> 12-15 thousand.
>>
>> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
>> contributing
>> 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438E3D71.C87A10D1@***.net...
> Knowing how much I paid in taxes while driving, I'll never believe
> that.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
>> weight.
>>
>> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
>> reduced
>> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
>> 12-15 thousand.
>>
>> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
>> contributing
>> 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
Ever driven in Michigan?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438E3D71.C87A10D1@***.net...
> Knowing how much I paid in taxes while driving, I'll never believe
> that.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
>> weight.
>>
>> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
>> reduced
>> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
>> 12-15 thousand.
>>
>> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
>> contributing
>> 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438E3D71.C87A10D1@***.net...
> Knowing how much I paid in taxes while driving, I'll never believe
> that.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> MDOT says only about 5% (1 in 20) trucks in Michigan are running at that
>> weight.
>>
>> Of course, in that same paper they claim that if the weight limit is
>> reduced
>> to 80,000 pounds the number of trucks on Michigan roads will increase by
>> 12-15 thousand.
>>
>> And finally.... Costs for truck traffic is 40% while they are
>> contributing
>> 15% in taxes and fees to the Michigan Transportation Fund
Guest
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Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
Nope, covered the seven western states, sounds like you have some
really poor roads back there. You still use out houses?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matthew Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Ever driven in Michigan?
really poor roads back there. You still use out houses?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matthew Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Ever driven in Michigan?
Guest
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Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
Nope, covered the seven western states, sounds like you have some
really poor roads back there. You still use out houses?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matthew Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Ever driven in Michigan?
really poor roads back there. You still use out houses?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matthew Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Ever driven in Michigan?
Guest
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Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
Nope, covered the seven western states, sounds like you have some
really poor roads back there. You still use out houses?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matthew Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Ever driven in Michigan?
really poor roads back there. You still use out houses?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matthew Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Ever driven in Michigan?
