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ambrin 11-25-2005 03:21 AM

Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Hey men,

I'm going to be in the market for a used, not worn out, Wrangler. What I'm
looking for is a dependable vehicle that might sometimes be required to 4WD
around the back roads and the farm. Nothing serious, though, just muddy
roads or across pastures. So, I don't need a "Rockclimber Godzilla" with a
72 inch body lift and 48 inch wheels.

It will also haul about 300 lbs of feed, weekly. That means a trip to the
feed mill. Every week. I doubt if I travel more than 100 miles each week.

I don't enjoy working on cars, anymore. I have enough of that kind of fun
just keeping my old tractor on it's feet. Me too, for that matter.

ANY advice is appreciated. I need all the help I can get, except "buy a one
ton 4WD pickup". The parking spot in my barn is big enough for a Jeep, not
a 3500 Belchfire 12 cylinder, monster.

You get the idea...
Thanks in advance....
Matt





Billy Ray 11-25-2005 03:31 AM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
What about an XJ Cherokee?


"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1Qzhf.23592$q%.6202@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Hey men,
>
> I'm going to be in the market for a used, not worn out, Wrangler. What
> I'm looking for is a dependable vehicle that might sometimes be required
> to 4WD around the back roads and the farm. Nothing serious, though, just
> muddy roads or across pastures. So, I don't need a "Rockclimber Godzilla"
> with a 72 inch body lift and 48 inch wheels.
>
> It will also haul about 300 lbs of feed, weekly. That means a trip to the
> feed mill. Every week. I doubt if I travel more than 100 miles each
> week.
>
> I don't enjoy working on cars, anymore. I have enough of that kind of fun
> just keeping my old tractor on it's feet. Me too, for that matter.
>
> ANY advice is appreciated. I need all the help I can get, except "buy a
> one ton 4WD pickup". The parking spot in my barn is big enough for a
> Jeep, not a 3500 Belchfire 12 cylinder, monster.
>
> You get the idea...
> Thanks in advance....
> Matt
>
>
>
>




Billy Ray 11-25-2005 03:31 AM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
What about an XJ Cherokee?


"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1Qzhf.23592$q%.6202@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Hey men,
>
> I'm going to be in the market for a used, not worn out, Wrangler. What
> I'm looking for is a dependable vehicle that might sometimes be required
> to 4WD around the back roads and the farm. Nothing serious, though, just
> muddy roads or across pastures. So, I don't need a "Rockclimber Godzilla"
> with a 72 inch body lift and 48 inch wheels.
>
> It will also haul about 300 lbs of feed, weekly. That means a trip to the
> feed mill. Every week. I doubt if I travel more than 100 miles each
> week.
>
> I don't enjoy working on cars, anymore. I have enough of that kind of fun
> just keeping my old tractor on it's feet. Me too, for that matter.
>
> ANY advice is appreciated. I need all the help I can get, except "buy a
> one ton 4WD pickup". The parking spot in my barn is big enough for a
> Jeep, not a 3500 Belchfire 12 cylinder, monster.
>
> You get the idea...
> Thanks in advance....
> Matt
>
>
>
>




Billy Ray 11-25-2005 03:31 AM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
What about an XJ Cherokee?


"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1Qzhf.23592$q%.6202@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Hey men,
>
> I'm going to be in the market for a used, not worn out, Wrangler. What
> I'm looking for is a dependable vehicle that might sometimes be required
> to 4WD around the back roads and the farm. Nothing serious, though, just
> muddy roads or across pastures. So, I don't need a "Rockclimber Godzilla"
> with a 72 inch body lift and 48 inch wheels.
>
> It will also haul about 300 lbs of feed, weekly. That means a trip to the
> feed mill. Every week. I doubt if I travel more than 100 miles each
> week.
>
> I don't enjoy working on cars, anymore. I have enough of that kind of fun
> just keeping my old tractor on it's feet. Me too, for that matter.
>
> ANY advice is appreciated. I need all the help I can get, except "buy a
> one ton 4WD pickup". The parking spot in my barn is big enough for a
> Jeep, not a 3500 Belchfire 12 cylinder, monster.
>
> You get the idea...
> Thanks in advance....
> Matt
>
>
>
>




Greg 11-25-2005 10:19 AM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
95 YJ, 6 cyl, hard top, unmodified with less then 100k would be my choice.
Or if newer wanted, then 97 up TJ with same.

"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1Qzhf.23592$q%.6202@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Hey men,
>
> I'm going to be in the market for a used, not worn out, Wrangler. What
> I'm looking for is a dependable vehicle that might sometimes be required
> to 4WD around the back roads and the farm. Nothing serious, though, just
> muddy roads or across pastures. So, I don't need a "Rockclimber Godzilla"
> with a 72 inch body lift and 48 inch wheels.
>
> It will also haul about 300 lbs of feed, weekly. That means a trip to the
> feed mill. Every week. I doubt if I travel more than 100 miles each
> week.
>
> I don't enjoy working on cars, anymore. I have enough of that kind of fun
> just keeping my old tractor on it's feet. Me too, for that matter.
>
> ANY advice is appreciated. I need all the help I can get, except "buy a
> one ton 4WD pickup". The parking spot in my barn is big enough for a
> Jeep, not a 3500 Belchfire 12 cylinder, monster.
>
> You get the idea...
> Thanks in advance....
> Matt
>
>
>
>




Greg 11-25-2005 10:19 AM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
95 YJ, 6 cyl, hard top, unmodified with less then 100k would be my choice.
Or if newer wanted, then 97 up TJ with same.

"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1Qzhf.23592$q%.6202@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Hey men,
>
> I'm going to be in the market for a used, not worn out, Wrangler. What
> I'm looking for is a dependable vehicle that might sometimes be required
> to 4WD around the back roads and the farm. Nothing serious, though, just
> muddy roads or across pastures. So, I don't need a "Rockclimber Godzilla"
> with a 72 inch body lift and 48 inch wheels.
>
> It will also haul about 300 lbs of feed, weekly. That means a trip to the
> feed mill. Every week. I doubt if I travel more than 100 miles each
> week.
>
> I don't enjoy working on cars, anymore. I have enough of that kind of fun
> just keeping my old tractor on it's feet. Me too, for that matter.
>
> ANY advice is appreciated. I need all the help I can get, except "buy a
> one ton 4WD pickup". The parking spot in my barn is big enough for a
> Jeep, not a 3500 Belchfire 12 cylinder, monster.
>
> You get the idea...
> Thanks in advance....
> Matt
>
>
>
>




Greg 11-25-2005 10:19 AM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
95 YJ, 6 cyl, hard top, unmodified with less then 100k would be my choice.
Or if newer wanted, then 97 up TJ with same.

"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1Qzhf.23592$q%.6202@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Hey men,
>
> I'm going to be in the market for a used, not worn out, Wrangler. What
> I'm looking for is a dependable vehicle that might sometimes be required
> to 4WD around the back roads and the farm. Nothing serious, though, just
> muddy roads or across pastures. So, I don't need a "Rockclimber Godzilla"
> with a 72 inch body lift and 48 inch wheels.
>
> It will also haul about 300 lbs of feed, weekly. That means a trip to the
> feed mill. Every week. I doubt if I travel more than 100 miles each
> week.
>
> I don't enjoy working on cars, anymore. I have enough of that kind of fun
> just keeping my old tractor on it's feet. Me too, for that matter.
>
> ANY advice is appreciated. I need all the help I can get, except "buy a
> one ton 4WD pickup". The parking spot in my barn is big enough for a
> Jeep, not a 3500 Belchfire 12 cylinder, monster.
>
> You get the idea...
> Thanks in advance....
> Matt
>
>
>
>




ambrin 11-25-2005 03:08 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Bill,

I think the XJ Cherokee is too big for me to get around in the woods and
narrow places. I'm not sure how big the Cherokee is, but I'd be surprised
if I could get one into the barn-slot.

I'd buy something like a John Deere Gator, but I can't run that on the road,
for as far as I have to drive. They can't be made street legal, in other
words.

I wish I could get that old Land Rover that I drove in S. Africa. Notta
chance. That style of Land Rover can't be bought here.

Ennywhey...
Matt



ambrin 11-25-2005 03:08 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Bill,

I think the XJ Cherokee is too big for me to get around in the woods and
narrow places. I'm not sure how big the Cherokee is, but I'd be surprised
if I could get one into the barn-slot.

I'd buy something like a John Deere Gator, but I can't run that on the road,
for as far as I have to drive. They can't be made street legal, in other
words.

I wish I could get that old Land Rover that I drove in S. Africa. Notta
chance. That style of Land Rover can't be bought here.

Ennywhey...
Matt



ambrin 11-25-2005 03:08 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Bill,

I think the XJ Cherokee is too big for me to get around in the woods and
narrow places. I'm not sure how big the Cherokee is, but I'd be surprised
if I could get one into the barn-slot.

I'd buy something like a John Deere Gator, but I can't run that on the road,
for as far as I have to drive. They can't be made street legal, in other
words.

I wish I could get that old Land Rover that I drove in S. Africa. Notta
chance. That style of Land Rover can't be bought here.

Ennywhey...
Matt



ambrin 11-25-2005 03:11 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Thanks Greg,
I need all the help I can get.

This jeep will really be a back woods, redneck toy. It's going to have to
work for it's feed, y'kno.

Matt

"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NXFhf.615450$1i.394228@pd7tw2no...
> 95 YJ, 6 cyl, hard top, unmodified with less then 100k would be my
> choice. Or if newer wanted, then 97 up TJ with same.
>




ambrin 11-25-2005 03:11 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Thanks Greg,
I need all the help I can get.

This jeep will really be a back woods, redneck toy. It's going to have to
work for it's feed, y'kno.

Matt

"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NXFhf.615450$1i.394228@pd7tw2no...
> 95 YJ, 6 cyl, hard top, unmodified with less then 100k would be my
> choice. Or if newer wanted, then 97 up TJ with same.
>




ambrin 11-25-2005 03:11 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Thanks Greg,
I need all the help I can get.

This jeep will really be a back woods, redneck toy. It's going to have to
work for it's feed, y'kno.

Matt

"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NXFhf.615450$1i.394228@pd7tw2no...
> 95 YJ, 6 cyl, hard top, unmodified with less then 100k would be my
> choice. Or if newer wanted, then 97 up TJ with same.
>




Mike Romain 11-25-2005 03:50 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
You would be looking at a newer than 91-92 YJ Wrangler then. That is
when they changed from a carb to injection. The carb engine is nice,
but it takes a kit every couple years and some odd fiddling now and
then....

I always recommend an unmodified vehicle. Usually folks drive a vehicle
to the limits of the modification, so that means a lot of extra wear.

The older CJ7's are nice and have a fold down tailgate. (YJ's have a
door tailgate.) They sit a couple inches taller than the YJ for
clearance too. Sometimes you can find one of those still stock. Carb
engine again though.

I actually prefer the carb engine because you can usually make it run.
It will even take a gravity fuel feed to get out of the bush if the pump
or a line dies...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

ambrin wrote:
>
> Hey men,
>
> I'm going to be in the market for a used, not worn out, Wrangler. What I'm
> looking for is a dependable vehicle that might sometimes be required to 4WD
> around the back roads and the farm. Nothing serious, though, just muddy
> roads or across pastures. So, I don't need a "Rockclimber Godzilla" with a
> 72 inch body lift and 48 inch wheels.
>
> It will also haul about 300 lbs of feed, weekly. That means a trip to the
> feed mill. Every week. I doubt if I travel more than 100 miles each week.
>
> I don't enjoy working on cars, anymore. I have enough of that kind of fun
> just keeping my old tractor on it's feet. Me too, for that matter.
>
> ANY advice is appreciated. I need all the help I can get, except "buy a one
> ton 4WD pickup". The parking spot in my barn is big enough for a Jeep, not
> a 3500 Belchfire 12 cylinder, monster.
>
> You get the idea...
> Thanks in advance....
> Matt
>
>


Mike Romain 11-25-2005 03:50 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
You would be looking at a newer than 91-92 YJ Wrangler then. That is
when they changed from a carb to injection. The carb engine is nice,
but it takes a kit every couple years and some odd fiddling now and
then....

I always recommend an unmodified vehicle. Usually folks drive a vehicle
to the limits of the modification, so that means a lot of extra wear.

The older CJ7's are nice and have a fold down tailgate. (YJ's have a
door tailgate.) They sit a couple inches taller than the YJ for
clearance too. Sometimes you can find one of those still stock. Carb
engine again though.

I actually prefer the carb engine because you can usually make it run.
It will even take a gravity fuel feed to get out of the bush if the pump
or a line dies...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

ambrin wrote:
>
> Hey men,
>
> I'm going to be in the market for a used, not worn out, Wrangler. What I'm
> looking for is a dependable vehicle that might sometimes be required to 4WD
> around the back roads and the farm. Nothing serious, though, just muddy
> roads or across pastures. So, I don't need a "Rockclimber Godzilla" with a
> 72 inch body lift and 48 inch wheels.
>
> It will also haul about 300 lbs of feed, weekly. That means a trip to the
> feed mill. Every week. I doubt if I travel more than 100 miles each week.
>
> I don't enjoy working on cars, anymore. I have enough of that kind of fun
> just keeping my old tractor on it's feet. Me too, for that matter.
>
> ANY advice is appreciated. I need all the help I can get, except "buy a one
> ton 4WD pickup". The parking spot in my barn is big enough for a Jeep, not
> a 3500 Belchfire 12 cylinder, monster.
>
> You get the idea...
> Thanks in advance....
> Matt
>
>


Mike Romain 11-25-2005 03:50 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
You would be looking at a newer than 91-92 YJ Wrangler then. That is
when they changed from a carb to injection. The carb engine is nice,
but it takes a kit every couple years and some odd fiddling now and
then....

I always recommend an unmodified vehicle. Usually folks drive a vehicle
to the limits of the modification, so that means a lot of extra wear.

The older CJ7's are nice and have a fold down tailgate. (YJ's have a
door tailgate.) They sit a couple inches taller than the YJ for
clearance too. Sometimes you can find one of those still stock. Carb
engine again though.

I actually prefer the carb engine because you can usually make it run.
It will even take a gravity fuel feed to get out of the bush if the pump
or a line dies...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

ambrin wrote:
>
> Hey men,
>
> I'm going to be in the market for a used, not worn out, Wrangler. What I'm
> looking for is a dependable vehicle that might sometimes be required to 4WD
> around the back roads and the farm. Nothing serious, though, just muddy
> roads or across pastures. So, I don't need a "Rockclimber Godzilla" with a
> 72 inch body lift and 48 inch wheels.
>
> It will also haul about 300 lbs of feed, weekly. That means a trip to the
> feed mill. Every week. I doubt if I travel more than 100 miles each week.
>
> I don't enjoy working on cars, anymore. I have enough of that kind of fun
> just keeping my old tractor on it's feet. Me too, for that matter.
>
> ANY advice is appreciated. I need all the help I can get, except "buy a one
> ton 4WD pickup". The parking spot in my barn is big enough for a Jeep, not
> a 3500 Belchfire 12 cylinder, monster.
>
> You get the idea...
> Thanks in advance....
> Matt
>
>


Billy Ray 11-25-2005 05:21 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was

XJ TJ
Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
Length 165.3 154.9
Width 67.9 68.3
Track 58 58.3
Height 64 69.8
Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6

Sources
http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html

Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001. Specs
may vary slightly per year/equipment.

Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry for
the poor picture quality.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135



"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:gbKhf.23634$q%.8767@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Bill,
>
> I think the XJ Cherokee is too big for me to get around in the woods and
> narrow places. I'm not sure how big the Cherokee is, but I'd be surprised
> if I could get one into the barn-slot.
>
> I'd buy something like a John Deere Gator, but I can't run that on the
> road,
> for as far as I have to drive. They can't be made street legal, in other
> words.
>
> I wish I could get that old Land Rover that I drove in S. Africa. Notta
> chance. That style of Land Rover can't be bought here.
>
> Ennywhey...
> Matt
>
>




Billy Ray 11-25-2005 05:21 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was

XJ TJ
Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
Length 165.3 154.9
Width 67.9 68.3
Track 58 58.3
Height 64 69.8
Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6

Sources
http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html

Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001. Specs
may vary slightly per year/equipment.

Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry for
the poor picture quality.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135



"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:gbKhf.23634$q%.8767@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Bill,
>
> I think the XJ Cherokee is too big for me to get around in the woods and
> narrow places. I'm not sure how big the Cherokee is, but I'd be surprised
> if I could get one into the barn-slot.
>
> I'd buy something like a John Deere Gator, but I can't run that on the
> road,
> for as far as I have to drive. They can't be made street legal, in other
> words.
>
> I wish I could get that old Land Rover that I drove in S. Africa. Notta
> chance. That style of Land Rover can't be bought here.
>
> Ennywhey...
> Matt
>
>




Billy Ray 11-25-2005 05:21 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was

XJ TJ
Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
Length 165.3 154.9
Width 67.9 68.3
Track 58 58.3
Height 64 69.8
Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6

Sources
http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html

Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001. Specs
may vary slightly per year/equipment.

Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry for
the poor picture quality.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135



"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:gbKhf.23634$q%.8767@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Bill,
>
> I think the XJ Cherokee is too big for me to get around in the woods and
> narrow places. I'm not sure how big the Cherokee is, but I'd be surprised
> if I could get one into the barn-slot.
>
> I'd buy something like a John Deere Gator, but I can't run that on the
> road,
> for as far as I have to drive. They can't be made street legal, in other
> words.
>
> I wish I could get that old Land Rover that I drove in S. Africa. Notta
> chance. That style of Land Rover can't be bought here.
>
> Ennywhey...
> Matt
>
>




L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-25-2005 05:46 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Hi Bill,
I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>
> XJ TJ
> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
> Length 165.3 154.9
> Width 67.9 68.3
> Track 58 58.3
> Height 64 69.8
> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>
> Sources
> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>
> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001. Specs
> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>
> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry for
> the poor picture quality.
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-25-2005 05:46 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Hi Bill,
I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>
> XJ TJ
> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
> Length 165.3 154.9
> Width 67.9 68.3
> Track 58 58.3
> Height 64 69.8
> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>
> Sources
> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>
> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001. Specs
> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>
> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry for
> the poor picture quality.
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-25-2005 05:46 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Hi Bill,
I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>
> XJ TJ
> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
> Length 165.3 154.9
> Width 67.9 68.3
> Track 58 58.3
> Height 64 69.8
> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>
> Sources
> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>
> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001. Specs
> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>
> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry for
> the poor picture quality.
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135


Billy Ray 11-25-2005 06:58 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited

Exterior
Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.



"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
> Hi Bill,
> I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
> Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>>
>> XJ TJ
>> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
>> Length 165.3 154.9
>> Width 67.9 68.3
>> Track 58 58.3
>> Height 64 69.8
>> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>>
>> Sources
>> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
>> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>>
>> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001. Specs
>> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>>
>> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry
>> for
>> the poor picture quality.
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135




Billy Ray 11-25-2005 06:58 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited

Exterior
Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.



"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
> Hi Bill,
> I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
> Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>>
>> XJ TJ
>> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
>> Length 165.3 154.9
>> Width 67.9 68.3
>> Track 58 58.3
>> Height 64 69.8
>> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>>
>> Sources
>> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
>> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>>
>> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001. Specs
>> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>>
>> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry
>> for
>> the poor picture quality.
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135




Billy Ray 11-25-2005 06:58 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited

Exterior
Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.



"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
> Hi Bill,
> I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
> Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>>
>> XJ TJ
>> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
>> Length 165.3 154.9
>> Width 67.9 68.3
>> Track 58 58.3
>> Height 64 69.8
>> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>>
>> Sources
>> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
>> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>>
>> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001. Specs
>> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>>
>> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry
>> for
>> the poor picture quality.
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135




Earle Horton 11-25-2005 07:16 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit right
in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive under
Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even the
rice burners couldn't do that.

He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
store is.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:bca30$4387a601$4831b233$14156@FUSE.NET...
> Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
> lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited
>
> Exterior
> Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
> Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
> Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
> Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.
>
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
> > Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Billy Ray wrote:
> >>
> >> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
> >>
> >> XJ TJ
> >> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
> >> Length 165.3 154.9
> >> Width 67.9 68.3
> >> Track 58 58.3
> >> Height 64 69.8
> >> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
> >>
> >> Sources
> >> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
> >> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
> >>
> >> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001.

Specs
> >> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
> >>
> >> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry
> >> for
> >> the poor picture quality.
> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135

>
>




Earle Horton 11-25-2005 07:16 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit right
in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive under
Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even the
rice burners couldn't do that.

He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
store is.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:bca30$4387a601$4831b233$14156@FUSE.NET...
> Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
> lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited
>
> Exterior
> Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
> Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
> Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
> Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.
>
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
> > Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Billy Ray wrote:
> >>
> >> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
> >>
> >> XJ TJ
> >> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
> >> Length 165.3 154.9
> >> Width 67.9 68.3
> >> Track 58 58.3
> >> Height 64 69.8
> >> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
> >>
> >> Sources
> >> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
> >> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
> >>
> >> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001.

Specs
> >> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
> >>
> >> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry
> >> for
> >> the poor picture quality.
> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135

>
>




Earle Horton 11-25-2005 07:16 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit right
in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive under
Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even the
rice burners couldn't do that.

He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
store is.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:bca30$4387a601$4831b233$14156@FUSE.NET...
> Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
> lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited
>
> Exterior
> Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
> Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
> Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
> Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.
>
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
> > Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Billy Ray wrote:
> >>
> >> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
> >>
> >> XJ TJ
> >> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
> >> Length 165.3 154.9
> >> Width 67.9 68.3
> >> Track 58 58.3
> >> Height 64 69.8
> >> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
> >>
> >> Sources
> >> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
> >> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
> >>
> >> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001.

Specs
> >> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
> >>
> >> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry
> >> for
> >> the poor picture quality.
> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135

>
>




Billy Ray 11-25-2005 07:35 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
I'm thinking that a XJ Cherokee might really be what he needs.

There is a good amount of storage with the seats up and much more with the
back seat down. It will be more comfortable to drive and probably get
better mileage.

All the later years used galvanized steel for the bodies so rust should not
be an issue

Off-Road the XJs were certainly capable


"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4387a971$0$6394$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit
> right
> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive
> under
> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even
> the
> rice burners couldn't do that.
>
> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
> store is.
>
> Earle
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:bca30$4387a601$4831b233$14156@FUSE.NET...
>> Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
>> lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited
>>
>> Exterior
>> Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
>> Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
>> Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
>> Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.
>>
>>
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
>> > Hi Bill,
>> > I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
>> > Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>> >>
>> >> XJ TJ
>> >> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
>> >> Length 165.3 154.9
>> >> Width 67.9 68.3
>> >> Track 58 58.3
>> >> Height 64 69.8
>> >> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>> >>
>> >> Sources
>> >> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
>> >> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>> >>
>> >> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001.

> Specs
>> >> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>> >>
>> >> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home.
>> >> Sorry
>> >> for
>> >> the poor picture quality.
>> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135

>>
>>

>
>




Billy Ray 11-25-2005 07:35 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
I'm thinking that a XJ Cherokee might really be what he needs.

There is a good amount of storage with the seats up and much more with the
back seat down. It will be more comfortable to drive and probably get
better mileage.

All the later years used galvanized steel for the bodies so rust should not
be an issue

Off-Road the XJs were certainly capable


"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4387a971$0$6394$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit
> right
> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive
> under
> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even
> the
> rice burners couldn't do that.
>
> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
> store is.
>
> Earle
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:bca30$4387a601$4831b233$14156@FUSE.NET...
>> Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
>> lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited
>>
>> Exterior
>> Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
>> Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
>> Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
>> Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.
>>
>>
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
>> > Hi Bill,
>> > I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
>> > Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>> >>
>> >> XJ TJ
>> >> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
>> >> Length 165.3 154.9
>> >> Width 67.9 68.3
>> >> Track 58 58.3
>> >> Height 64 69.8
>> >> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>> >>
>> >> Sources
>> >> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
>> >> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>> >>
>> >> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001.

> Specs
>> >> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>> >>
>> >> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home.
>> >> Sorry
>> >> for
>> >> the poor picture quality.
>> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135

>>
>>

>
>




Billy Ray 11-25-2005 07:35 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
I'm thinking that a XJ Cherokee might really be what he needs.

There is a good amount of storage with the seats up and much more with the
back seat down. It will be more comfortable to drive and probably get
better mileage.

All the later years used galvanized steel for the bodies so rust should not
be an issue

Off-Road the XJs were certainly capable


"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4387a971$0$6394$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit
> right
> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive
> under
> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even
> the
> rice burners couldn't do that.
>
> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
> store is.
>
> Earle
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:bca30$4387a601$4831b233$14156@FUSE.NET...
>> Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
>> lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited
>>
>> Exterior
>> Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
>> Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
>> Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
>> Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.
>>
>>
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
>> > Hi Bill,
>> > I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
>> > Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > Billy Ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>> >>
>> >> XJ TJ
>> >> Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
>> >> Length 165.3 154.9
>> >> Width 67.9 68.3
>> >> Track 58 58.3
>> >> Height 64 69.8
>> >> Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>> >>
>> >> Sources
>> >> http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
>> >> http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>> >>
>> >> Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001.

> Specs
>> >> may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>> >>
>> >> Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home.
>> >> Sorry
>> >> for
>> >> the poor picture quality.
>> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135

>>
>>

>
>




L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-25-2005 07:39 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Hi Earle,
I rather have a pickup to do work with, a let the horse sh*t stay
in it's floor boards and fender wells.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit right
> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive under
> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even the
> rice burners couldn't do that.
>
> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
> store is.
>
> Earle


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-25-2005 07:39 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Hi Earle,
I rather have a pickup to do work with, a let the horse sh*t stay
in it's floor boards and fender wells.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit right
> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive under
> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even the
> rice burners couldn't do that.
>
> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
> store is.
>
> Earle


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-25-2005 07:39 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
Hi Earle,
I rather have a pickup to do work with, a let the horse sh*t stay
in it's floor boards and fender wells.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit right
> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive under
> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even the
> rice burners couldn't do that.
>
> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
> store is.
>
> Earle


Billy Ray 11-25-2005 07:48 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
The problem there is he specifically doesn't want a pick'um up truck.


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4387AEC9.8427BCDB@cox.net...
> Hi Earle,
> I rather have a pickup to do work with, a let the horse sh*t stay
> in it's floor boards and fender wells.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
>> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit
>> right
>> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive
>> under
>> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even
>> the
>> rice burners couldn't do that.
>>
>> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
>> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
>> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
>> store is.
>>
>> Earle





Billy Ray 11-25-2005 07:48 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
The problem there is he specifically doesn't want a pick'um up truck.


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4387AEC9.8427BCDB@cox.net...
> Hi Earle,
> I rather have a pickup to do work with, a let the horse sh*t stay
> in it's floor boards and fender wells.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
>> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit
>> right
>> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive
>> under
>> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even
>> the
>> rice burners couldn't do that.
>>
>> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
>> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
>> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
>> store is.
>>
>> Earle





Billy Ray 11-25-2005 07:48 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
The problem there is he specifically doesn't want a pick'um up truck.


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4387AEC9.8427BCDB@cox.net...
> Hi Earle,
> I rather have a pickup to do work with, a let the horse sh*t stay
> in it's floor boards and fender wells.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
>> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit
>> right
>> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive
>> under
>> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even
>> the
>> rice burners couldn't do that.
>>
>> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
>> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
>> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
>> store is.
>>
>> Earle





Lon 11-25-2005 08:18 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
The first thing I noticed when the missus bought our '95 ZJ is that it
was shorter than most rice grinder sedans, and not that much longer than
my 1985 RX7 [ just over 7 inches longer].

For example, a ZJ compared to a 2006 Honda Accord:

ZJ Accord
---- -----
177.2 189.5 Overall Length
70.7 71.5 Overall Width



Earle Horton proclaimed:

> I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit right
> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive under
> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even the
> rice burners couldn't do that.
>
> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
> store is.
>
> Earle
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:bca30$4387a601$4831b233$14156@FUSE.NET...
>
>>Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
>>lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited
>>
>> Exterior
>> Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
>> Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
>> Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
>> Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.
>>
>>
>>
>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
>>
>>>Hi Bill,
>>> I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
>>>Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Billy Ray wrote:
>>>
>>>>You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>>>>
>>>> XJ TJ
>>>>Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
>>>>Length 165.3 154.9
>>>>Width 67.9 68.3
>>>>Track 58 58.3
>>>>Height 64 69.8
>>>>Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>>>>
>>>>Sources
>>>>http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
>>>>http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>>>>
>>>>Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001.

>
> Specs
>
>>>>may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>>>>
>>>>Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry
>>>>for
>>>>the poor picture quality.
>>>>http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135

>>
>>

>
>


Lon 11-25-2005 08:18 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
The first thing I noticed when the missus bought our '95 ZJ is that it
was shorter than most rice grinder sedans, and not that much longer than
my 1985 RX7 [ just over 7 inches longer].

For example, a ZJ compared to a 2006 Honda Accord:

ZJ Accord
---- -----
177.2 189.5 Overall Length
70.7 71.5 Overall Width



Earle Horton proclaimed:

> I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit right
> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive under
> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even the
> rice burners couldn't do that.
>
> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
> store is.
>
> Earle
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:bca30$4387a601$4831b233$14156@FUSE.NET...
>
>>Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
>>lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited
>>
>> Exterior
>> Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
>> Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
>> Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
>> Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.
>>
>>
>>
>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
>>
>>>Hi Bill,
>>> I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
>>>Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Billy Ray wrote:
>>>
>>>>You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>>>>
>>>> XJ TJ
>>>>Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
>>>>Length 165.3 154.9
>>>>Width 67.9 68.3
>>>>Track 58 58.3
>>>>Height 64 69.8
>>>>Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>>>>
>>>>Sources
>>>>http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
>>>>http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>>>>
>>>>Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001.

>
> Specs
>
>>>>may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>>>>
>>>>Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry
>>>>for
>>>>the poor picture quality.
>>>>http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135

>>
>>

>
>


Lon 11-25-2005 08:18 PM

Re: Wrangler - What to buy?
 
The first thing I noticed when the missus bought our '95 ZJ is that it
was shorter than most rice grinder sedans, and not that much longer than
my 1985 RX7 [ just over 7 inches longer].

For example, a ZJ compared to a 2006 Honda Accord:

ZJ Accord
---- -----
177.2 189.5 Overall Length
70.7 71.5 Overall Width



Earle Horton proclaimed:

> I don't know, but one of the first things I noticed about my YJ, after
> buying it and installing chrome mirrors that is, was how it would fit right
> in the parking spaces in the Microsoft parking garage. I could drive under
> Building 3, and do a K-turn if there weren't any available spaces. Even the
> rice burners couldn't do that.
>
> He wants to put 300 pounds of feed in the back. I am not too sure about
> that. I put over three hundred pounds of conrete mix in mine once, but I
> only drove it around the corner. It kind of depends on how far the feed
> store is.
>
> Earle
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:bca30$4387a601$4831b233$14156@FUSE.NET...
>
>>Ya know..... this all means the Cherokee is smaller and substantially
>>lighter than the Wrangler Unlimited
>>
>> Exterior
>> Length: 167 in. Width: 66.7 in.
>> Height: 70.9 in. Wheel Base: 103.4 in.
>> Ground Clearance: 8.3 in. Curb Weight: 3740 lbs.
>> Gross Weight: 4750 lbs.
>>
>>
>>
>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:4387942A.2ACCA3D0@cox.net...
>>
>>>Hi Bill,
>>> I'm not surprised at all, and you forgot to compare their Curb
>>>Weights: XJ=3,386 to the TJ=3,532 pounds, no wonder it's a slug.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Billy Ray wrote:
>>>
>>>>You may be surprised at the size comparison. I was
>>>>
>>>> XJ TJ
>>>>Wheelbase 101.4 98.4
>>>>Length 165.3 154.9
>>>>Width 67.9 68.3
>>>>Track 58 58.3
>>>>Height 64 69.8
>>>>Ground Clearance 7.3 8.6
>>>>
>>>>Sources
>>>>http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/2005_tj_specs.html
>>>>http://jeephorizons.com/tech/xjstockspecs.html
>>>>
>>>>Now.... this is the older 'standard' Cherokee made from 1984-2001.

>
> Specs
>
>>>>may vary slightly per year/equipment.
>>>>
>>>>Some pix of my 2000 XJ Cherokee taken the day I brought it home. Sorry
>>>>for
>>>>the poor picture quality.
>>>>http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117093135

>>
>>

>
>



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