Steve Moline

Just got back from a great time at Camp Jeep. As hoped for, it was very
educational, fun, and informative. It rejuvenated my interest in a Wrangler
(we have a Grand Cherokee); as expected <g>.
1. Been "building" Wranglers at Jeep's web site, trying to create the
"right" one for us. Can get everything I want (auto tranny, cruise, A/C)
except antilock brakes. I'm evidently making some other selection that
eliminates and prohibits antilock brakes as an option. Can't tell if it's
the tires (30") or the axle selection, rear trak-lock, or what. Can somebody
tell me what configuration options will preclude antilock brakes, and why?
The local dealer has about 6 new Rubicons, some with AT, but they don't come
with antilock brakes either. I really want the antilocks. Should I forego
that requirement and give up on them, or build (properly) to please?
2. With 30" tires, can I settle for the 3.07 axle ratio, or do I need the
3.37 or 4.10?
3. Any reason to wait for the 2004 models to show up? The dealer has 15
2003s, so I believe he's motivated to make a good deal on those, that he may
not otherwise make on new 2004s.
Thanks, much!
Steve

Paul Cordes

"Steve Moline" <smoline@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:BB2C54E6.1FB%smoline@earthlink.net...
> Just got back from a great time at Camp Jeep. As hoped for, it was very
> educational, fun, and informative. It rejuvenated my interest in a
Wrangler
> (we have a Grand Cherokee); as expected <g>.
> 1. Been "building" Wranglers at Jeep's web site, trying to create the
> "right" one for us. Can get everything I want (auto tranny, cruise, A/C)
> except antilock brakes. I'm evidently making some other selection that
> eliminates and prohibits antilock brakes as an option. Can't tell if it's
> the tires (30") or the axle selection, rear trak-lock, or what. Can
somebody
> tell me what configuration options will preclude antilock brakes, and why?
> The local dealer has about 6 new Rubicons, some with AT, but they don't
come
> with antilock brakes either. I really want the antilocks. Should I forego
> that requirement and give up on them, or build (properly) to please?
> 2. With 30" tires, can I settle for the 3.07 axle ratio, or do I need the
> 3.37 or 4.10?
> 3. Any reason to wait for the 2004 models to show up? The dealer has 15
> 2003s, so I believe he's motivated to make a good deal on those, that he
may
> not otherwise make on new 2004s.
> Thanks, much!
> Steve
>

Not to belabor the obvious but if your gonna make a deal with what's on the
dealers lot why are you trying to "build" one?

We had a discussion about ABS last night as the kids were shooting fireworks
and concluded that we thought it was the rear limited slip diff on the
Wrangler that results in no ABS although why this should be the case was not
obvious as other vehicles with limited slip diffs have ABS. Maybe it's the
"type" of lim slip? No Rubicons come with ABS.

Mike Romain

Using anti lock brakes off road is a 'real' good way for your Jeep to
become WAY too friendly with trees. Trees bite.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Steve Moline wrote:
>
> Just got back from a great time at Camp Jeep. As hoped for, it was very
> educational, fun, and informative. It rejuvenated my interest in a Wrangler
> (we have a Grand Cherokee); as expected <g>.
> 1. Been "building" Wranglers at Jeep's web site, trying to create the
> "right" one for us. Can get everything I want (auto tranny, cruise, A/C)
> except antilock brakes. I'm evidently making some other selection that
> eliminates and prohibits antilock brakes as an option. Can't tell if it's
> the tires (30") or the axle selection, rear trak-lock, or what. Can somebody
> tell me what configuration options will preclude antilock brakes, and why?
> The local dealer has about 6 new Rubicons, some with AT, but they don't come
> with antilock brakes either. I really want the antilocks. Should I forego
> that requirement and give up on them, or build (properly) to please?
> 2. With 30" tires, can I settle for the 3.07 axle ratio, or do I need the
> 3.37 or 4.10?
> 3. Any reason to wait for the 2004 models to show up? The dealer has 15
> 2003s, so I believe he's motivated to make a good deal on those, that he may
> not otherwise make on new 2004s.
> Thanks, much!
> Steve

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Steve,
If you order a limited slip, Daimler probably thinks you may take
it on a dirt road: http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/ABS_offroad.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Steve Moline wrote:
>
> Just got back from a great time at Camp Jeep. As hoped for, it was very
> educational, fun, and informative. It rejuvenated my interest in a Wrangler
> (we have a Grand Cherokee); as expected <g>.
> 1. Been "building" Wranglers at Jeep's web site, trying to create the
> "right" one for us. Can get everything I want (auto tranny, cruise, A/C)
> except antilock brakes. I'm evidently making some other selection that
> eliminates and prohibits antilock brakes as an option. Can't tell if it's
> the tires (30") or the axle selection, rear trak-lock, or what. Can somebody
> tell me what configuration options will preclude antilock brakes, and why?
> The local dealer has about 6 new Rubicons, some with AT, but they don't come
> with antilock brakes either. I really want the antilocks. Should I forego
> that requirement and give up on them, or build (properly) to please?
> 2. With 30" tires, can I settle for the 3.07 axle ratio, or do I need the
> 3.37 or 4.10?
> 3. Any reason to wait for the 2004 models to show up? The dealer has 15
> 2003s, so I believe he's motivated to make a good deal on those, that he may
> not otherwise make on new 2004s.
> Thanks, much!
> Steve

DougW

Mike Romain wrote:
> Using anti lock brakes off road is a 'real' good way for your Jeep to
> become WAY too friendly with trees. Trees bite.

I just put a switch in line with the ABS fuse. Works fine.
Been thinking about using a relay tied to the 4WD low indicator
lamp. Should be simple enough.

> Steve Moline wrote:
>>
>> Just got back from a great time at Camp Jeep. As hoped for, it was very
>> educational, fun, and informative. It rejuvenated my interest in a Wrangler
>> (we have a Grand Cherokee); as expected <g>.
>> 1. Been "building" Wranglers at Jeep's web site, trying to create the
>> "right" one for us. Can get everything I want (auto tranny, cruise, A/C)
>> except antilock brakes. I'm evidently making some other selection that
>> eliminates and prohibits antilock brakes as an option. Can't tell if it's
>> the tires (30") or the axle selection, rear trak-lock, or what. Can somebody
>> tell me what configuration options will preclude antilock brakes, and why?
>> The local dealer has about 6 new Rubicons, some with AT, but they don't come
>> with antilock brakes either. I really want the antilocks. Should I forego
>> that requirement and give up on them, or build (properly) to please?
>> 2. With 30" tires, can I settle for the 3.07 axle ratio, or do I need the
>> 3.37 or 4.10?
>> 3. Any reason to wait for the 2004 models to show up? The dealer has 15
>> 2003s, so I believe he's motivated to make a good deal on those, that he may
>> not otherwise make on new 2004s.
>> Thanks, much!
>> Steve

Steve Moline

Good info. I knew there had to be a good reason; now I know what it/they
is/are. Thanks for the rapid feedback.

To answer Paul's question about "why build one" if I'm looking on the lot,
the answer is that I want to assemble the optimal configuration and
arrangement of options to suite my interests, and then see if any
similarly-configured vehicles exist in stock. Absent the now-resolved ABS
question, the answer is: there are. Still don't know whether waiting for a
2004 model makes any difference, but I'm not aware of any major changes for
YJ in '04.

Thanks, folks.

Steve


On 7/5/03 11:03 AM, in article 3F06E862.95CEE8B4@***.net, "L.W. ------ III
(ßill)" <----------@***.net> wrote:

> Hi Steve,
> If you order a limited slip, Daimler probably thinks you may take
> it on a dirt road: http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/ABS_offroad.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Steve Moline wrote:
>>
>> Just got back from a great time at Camp Jeep. As hoped for, it was very
>> educational, fun, and informative. It rejuvenated my interest in a Wrangler
>> (we have a Grand Cherokee); as expected <g>.
>> 1. Been "building" Wranglers at Jeep's web site, trying to create the
>> "right" one for us. Can get everything I want (auto tranny, cruise, A/C)
>> except antilock brakes. I'm evidently making some other selection that
>> eliminates and prohibits antilock brakes as an option. Can't tell if it's
>> the tires (30") or the axle selection, rear trak-lock, or what. Can somebody
>> tell me what configuration options will preclude antilock brakes, and why?
>> The local dealer has about 6 new Rubicons, some with AT, but they don't come
>> with antilock brakes either. I really want the antilocks. Should I forego
>> that requirement and give up on them, or build (properly) to please?
>> 2. With 30" tires, can I settle for the 3.07 axle ratio, or do I need the
>> 3.37 or 4.10?
>> 3. Any reason to wait for the 2004 models to show up? The dealer has 15
>> 2003s, so I believe he's motivated to make a good deal on those, that he may
>> not otherwise make on new 2004s.
>> Thanks, much!
>> Steve