Re: world's heaviest flywheel?
 

My 2002 TJ 5 speed most definitely engine brakes, and right away too. This
is best manifested when in cruise control. When I set it at 45 and go up
and down hills, it stays right at 45 amazingly so. There is no drift
upwards like there is in my other automatic transmissioned car. I
specifically do this on one hill where a cop sits at the bottom.

Also, I remember my 87 YJ 5 spd had 'normal' engine braking as well.
Tomes

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:422CC832.ECF771EE@cox.net...
> Yup, every car with electronic fuel injection and computer, since
> the early eighties will not let us use engine braking, at least for the
> first three or four seconds. It's apart of the EPA's fight for better
> mileage, in that there are many people that constantly vary their
> accelerator position, screwing up there mileage. If you see a cop in
> your rearview mirror pull her down into second gear to quickly slow down
> rather than tip the cop we're running twenty over by touching our stop
> lights. Or put a plate under the step motor, pictured #2:
> http://members.cox.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html and use the hidden idle stop,
> as I do. Or reprogram it using a DRB-III:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WD1V
> Or Aftermarket: http://miller.spx.com/data/DC02-07A.pdf
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> rgb wrote:
> >
> > I just had the problem looked at by the tech at the dealer. He agreed
> > on the behavior, but said it was "normal" for the 6 speed models. His
> > guess was that it was a work-around for a problem with the
> > transmissions, a way to hold the rpm up on upshifts. A piss-poor
> > engineering choice in my opinion (and his). Instead of fixing the
> > problem, they made the throttle stick!!??
> >
> > Does anyone know of a solution?

Re: world's heaviest flywheel?
 

Hi Bob,
The step motor is held on by four bolts, directly over the throttle
valve it bypasses. I just cut a beer can to fit over the the two holes
over the gasket and between the motor. You see the throttle stop by
looking closely at what stops it's bell crank, usually the screw pokes
out enough to grab it with pliers or use a jewelers screwdriver. You'll
have to set it a little faster than we like to make up for no longer
having a cold fast idle.
Yup, the only way we may have a rap by sucking a little oil by
complete closing the throttle butterfly, something these Wannabees
haven't a clue.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

rgb wrote:
>
> Bill --
>
> I looked at the pic #2 you mentioned and then under the hood. I think
> I see where the plate should go, but I saw no obvious way to remove the
> step motor. Can you tell me what I need to do to get it off? How
> thick a plate? What is the effect of the plate? Does it disengage the
> step motor gear by moving it out? Or does it somehow cause the step
> motor to work but with less rotation? Where is the hidden idle stop?
>
> Is the idea to disable or limit in some way the action of the step
> motor and compensate by adjusting the idle? A very cool idea if it
> works.
>
> If this will solve the problem I will do it at once.
>
> By the way, I once had an old Ford with a nice glass-pac rap.
>
> Thanks again,
> Bob Brown

Re: world's heaviest flywheel?
 

Hi Bob,
The step motor is held on by four bolts, directly over the throttle
valve it bypasses. I just cut a beer can to fit over the the two holes
over the gasket and between the motor. You see the throttle stop by
looking closely at what stops it's bell crank, usually the screw pokes
out enough to grab it with pliers or use a jewelers screwdriver. You'll
have to set it a little faster than we like to make up for no longer
having a cold fast idle.
Yup, the only way we may have a rap by sucking a little oil by
complete closing the throttle butterfly, something these Wannabees
haven't a clue.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

rgb wrote:
>
> Bill --
>
> I looked at the pic #2 you mentioned and then under the hood. I think
> I see where the plate should go, but I saw no obvious way to remove the
> step motor. Can you tell me what I need to do to get it off? How
> thick a plate? What is the effect of the plate? Does it disengage the
> step motor gear by moving it out? Or does it somehow cause the step
> motor to work but with less rotation? Where is the hidden idle stop?
>
> Is the idea to disable or limit in some way the action of the step
> motor and compensate by adjusting the idle? A very cool idea if it
> works.
>
> If this will solve the problem I will do it at once.
>
> By the way, I once had an old Ford with a nice glass-pac rap.
>
> Thanks again,
> Bob Brown

Re: world's heaviest flywheel?
 

Hi Bob,
The step motor is held on by four bolts, directly over the throttle
valve it bypasses. I just cut a beer can to fit over the the two holes
over the gasket and between the motor. You see the throttle stop by
looking closely at what stops it's bell crank, usually the screw pokes
out enough to grab it with pliers or use a jewelers screwdriver. You'll
have to set it a little faster than we like to make up for no longer
having a cold fast idle.
Yup, the only way we may have a rap by sucking a little oil by
complete closing the throttle butterfly, something these Wannabees
haven't a clue.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

rgb wrote:
>
> Bill --
>
> I looked at the pic #2 you mentioned and then under the hood. I think
> I see where the plate should go, but I saw no obvious way to remove the
> step motor. Can you tell me what I need to do to get it off? How
> thick a plate? What is the effect of the plate? Does it disengage the
> step motor gear by moving it out? Or does it somehow cause the step
> motor to work but with less rotation? Where is the hidden idle stop?
>
> Is the idea to disable or limit in some way the action of the step
> motor and compensate by adjusting the idle? A very cool idea if it
> works.
>
> If this will solve the problem I will do it at once.
>
> By the way, I once had an old Ford with a nice glass-pac rap.
>
> Thanks again,
> Bob Brown

Re: world's heaviest flywheel?
 

rgb (robert.garth.brown@gmail.com) wrote on Tuesday 08 March 2005 10:37 am:

> Michael --
>
> Agreed, it may well be a recent American manufacturer thing. My 91 nsx
> does not have the problem and neither does my 72 Pinto engine/Weber
> carb in the Formula Ford.
>
> Thanks for the Mopar reference. I will check it out. Do you have
> personal knowledge of the Mopar MPI kit on an 05 wrangler 6-speed?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Brfown

No, but maybe ask the guys at Hesco (www.hescosc.com) if they sell a ROM or
CPU to fix the problem. They may not, but they should know if anyone out
there has a fix.
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

Re: world's heaviest flywheel?
 

rgb (robert.garth.brown@gmail.com) wrote on Tuesday 08 March 2005 10:37 am:

> Michael --
>
> Agreed, it may well be a recent American manufacturer thing. My 91 nsx
> does not have the problem and neither does my 72 Pinto engine/Weber
> carb in the Formula Ford.
>
> Thanks for the Mopar reference. I will check it out. Do you have
> personal knowledge of the Mopar MPI kit on an 05 wrangler 6-speed?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Brfown

No, but maybe ask the guys at Hesco (www.hescosc.com) if they sell a ROM or
CPU to fix the problem. They may not, but they should know if anyone out
there has a fix.
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

Re: world's heaviest flywheel?
 

rgb (robert.garth.brown@gmail.com) wrote on Tuesday 08 March 2005 10:37 am:

> Michael --
>
> Agreed, it may well be a recent American manufacturer thing. My 91 nsx
> does not have the problem and neither does my 72 Pinto engine/Weber
> carb in the Formula Ford.
>
> Thanks for the Mopar reference. I will check it out. Do you have
> personal knowledge of the Mopar MPI kit on an 05 wrangler 6-speed?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Brfown

No, but maybe ask the guys at Hesco (www.hescosc.com) if they sell a ROM or
CPU to fix the problem. They may not, but they should know if anyone out
there has a fix.
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

Re: world's heaviest flywheel?
 

In message <1110298293.636201.272140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups .com>, "rgb"
wrote:

>Bill --
>
>But the DRB-III is over $6,000 - way too much money for me. And
>setting the idle speed, richness, shift points, or rev limiter would
>not solve the problem.

Just as well, since the DRB won't allow you to change any of that anyway. That
is unless you're capable of writing code that the Jeep PCM understands, can
figure out a way to load that into a DRB, and then manage to upload it from the
DRB to the PCM.

>
>What effect does blocking the step motor have? Better yet, how is it
>done. I will try it myself.

It won't work.

>
>Thanks,
>Bob Brown

Re: world's heaviest flywheel?
 

In message <1110298293.636201.272140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups .com>, "rgb"
wrote:

>Bill --
>
>But the DRB-III is over $6,000 - way too much money for me. And
>setting the idle speed, richness, shift points, or rev limiter would
>not solve the problem.

Just as well, since the DRB won't allow you to change any of that anyway. That
is unless you're capable of writing code that the Jeep PCM understands, can
figure out a way to load that into a DRB, and then manage to upload it from the
DRB to the PCM.

>
>What effect does blocking the step motor have? Better yet, how is it
>done. I will try it myself.

It won't work.

>
>Thanks,
>Bob Brown

Re: world's heaviest flywheel?
 

In message <1110298293.636201.272140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups .com>, "rgb"
wrote:

>Bill --
>
>But the DRB-III is over $6,000 - way too much money for me. And
>setting the idle speed, richness, shift points, or rev limiter would
>not solve the problem.

Just as well, since the DRB won't allow you to change any of that anyway. That
is unless you're capable of writing code that the Jeep PCM understands, can
figure out a way to load that into a DRB, and then manage to upload it from the
DRB to the PCM.

>
>What effect does blocking the step motor have? Better yet, how is it
>done. I will try it myself.

It won't work.

>
>Thanks,
>Bob Brown