rgb

Bill --

But the DRB-III is over $6,000 - way too much money for me. And
setting the idle speed, richness, shift points, or rev limiter would
not solve the problem.

What effect does blocking the step motor have? Better yet, how is it
done. I will try it myself.

Thanks,
Bob Brown

rgb

Bill --

But the DRB-III is over $6,000 - way too much money for me. And
setting the idle speed, richness, shift points, or rev limiter would
not solve the problem.

What effect does blocking the step motor have? Better yet, how is it
done. I will try it myself.

Thanks,
Bob Brown

rgb

Bill --

I looked at the pic #2 you mentioned and then under the hood. I think
I see where the plate should go, but I saw no obvious way to remove the
step motor. Can you tell me what I need to do to get it off? How
thick a plate? What is the effect of the plate? Does it disengage the
step motor gear by moving it out? Or does it somehow cause the step
motor to work but with less rotation? Where is the hidden idle stop?

Is the idea to disable or limit in some way the action of the step
motor and compensate by adjusting the idle? A very cool idea if it
works.

If this will solve the problem I will do it at once.

By the way, I once had an old Ford with a nice glass-pac rap.

Thanks again,
Bob Brown

rgb

Bill --

I looked at the pic #2 you mentioned and then under the hood. I think
I see where the plate should go, but I saw no obvious way to remove the
step motor. Can you tell me what I need to do to get it off? How
thick a plate? What is the effect of the plate? Does it disengage the
step motor gear by moving it out? Or does it somehow cause the step
motor to work but with less rotation? Where is the hidden idle stop?

Is the idea to disable or limit in some way the action of the step
motor and compensate by adjusting the idle? A very cool idea if it
works.

If this will solve the problem I will do it at once.

By the way, I once had an old Ford with a nice glass-pac rap.

Thanks again,
Bob Brown

rgb

Bill --

I looked at the pic #2 you mentioned and then under the hood. I think
I see where the plate should go, but I saw no obvious way to remove the
step motor. Can you tell me what I need to do to get it off? How
thick a plate? What is the effect of the plate? Does it disengage the
step motor gear by moving it out? Or does it somehow cause the step
motor to work but with less rotation? Where is the hidden idle stop?

Is the idea to disable or limit in some way the action of the step
motor and compensate by adjusting the idle? A very cool idea if it
works.

If this will solve the problem I will do it at once.

By the way, I once had an old Ford with a nice glass-pac rap.

Thanks again,
Bob Brown

rgb

Michael --

Agreed, it may well be a recent American manufacturer thing. My 91 nsx
does not have the problem and neither does my 72 Pinto engine/Weber
carb in the Formula Ford.

Thanks for the Mopar reference. I will check it out. Do you have
personal knowledge of the Mopar MPI kit on an 05 wrangler 6-speed?

Thanks,
Bob Brfown

rgb

Michael --

Agreed, it may well be a recent American manufacturer thing. My 91 nsx
does not have the problem and neither does my 72 Pinto engine/Weber
carb in the Formula Ford.

Thanks for the Mopar reference. I will check it out. Do you have
personal knowledge of the Mopar MPI kit on an 05 wrangler 6-speed?

Thanks,
Bob Brfown

rgb

Michael --

Agreed, it may well be a recent American manufacturer thing. My 91 nsx
does not have the problem and neither does my 72 Pinto engine/Weber
carb in the Formula Ford.

Thanks for the Mopar reference. I will check it out. Do you have
personal knowledge of the Mopar MPI kit on an 05 wrangler 6-speed?

Thanks,
Bob Brfown

Tomes

My 2002 TJ 5 speed most definitely engine brakes, and right away too. This
is best manifested when in cruise control. When I set it at 45 and go up
and down hills, it stays right at 45 amazingly so. There is no drift
upwards like there is in my other automatic transmissioned car. I
specifically do this on one hill where a cop sits at the bottom.

Also, I remember my 87 YJ 5 spd had 'normal' engine braking as well.
Tomes

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:422CC832.ECF771EE@***.net...
> Yup, every car with electronic fuel injection and computer, since
> the early eighties will not let us use engine braking, at least for the
> first three or four seconds. It's apart of the EPA's fight for better
> mileage, in that there are many people that constantly vary their
> accelerator position, screwing up there mileage. If you see a cop in
> your rearview mirror pull her down into second gear to quickly slow down
> rather than tip the cop we're running twenty over by touching our stop
> lights. Or put a plate under the step motor, pictured #2:
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html and use the hidden idle stop,
> as I do. Or reprogram it using a DRB-III:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WD1V
> Or Aftermarket: http://miller.spx.com/data/DC02-07A.pdf
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> rgb wrote:
> >
> > I just had the problem looked at by the tech at the dealer. He agreed
> > on the behavior, but said it was "normal" for the 6 speed models. His
> > guess was that it was a work-around for a problem with the
> > transmissions, a way to hold the rpm up on upshifts. A ****-poor
> > engineering choice in my opinion (and his). Instead of fixing the
> > problem, they made the throttle stick!!??
> >
> > Does anyone know of a solution?

Tomes

My 2002 TJ 5 speed most definitely engine brakes, and right away too. This
is best manifested when in cruise control. When I set it at 45 and go up
and down hills, it stays right at 45 amazingly so. There is no drift
upwards like there is in my other automatic transmissioned car. I
specifically do this on one hill where a cop sits at the bottom.

Also, I remember my 87 YJ 5 spd had 'normal' engine braking as well.
Tomes

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:422CC832.ECF771EE@***.net...
> Yup, every car with electronic fuel injection and computer, since
> the early eighties will not let us use engine braking, at least for the
> first three or four seconds. It's apart of the EPA's fight for better
> mileage, in that there are many people that constantly vary their
> accelerator position, screwing up there mileage. If you see a cop in
> your rearview mirror pull her down into second gear to quickly slow down
> rather than tip the cop we're running twenty over by touching our stop
> lights. Or put a plate under the step motor, pictured #2:
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html and use the hidden idle stop,
> as I do. Or reprogram it using a DRB-III:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WD1V
> Or Aftermarket: http://miller.spx.com/data/DC02-07A.pdf
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> rgb wrote:
> >
> > I just had the problem looked at by the tech at the dealer. He agreed
> > on the behavior, but said it was "normal" for the 6 speed models. His
> > guess was that it was a work-around for a problem with the
> > transmissions, a way to hold the rpm up on upshifts. A ****-poor
> > engineering choice in my opinion (and his). Instead of fixing the
> > problem, they made the throttle stick!!??
> >
> > Does anyone know of a solution?