Endo --

This was the answer I got:

"I assume this is someone in the US, but what he needs is a pair of European
spec tail lamp clusters for a TJ. The European lenses might fit the US
lamps, but would still need an extra bulbholder anyway. It might be simpler
to get the whole thing and make up a hybrid lamp assembly out of the two
types. Euro lamps do not include a license plate lamp, and they also do not
have a red side marker, and I would guess that both these are required by
law in the US. As European spec TJs are built in the US, there should be no
problem walking into a US Jeep dealer and ordering the European lamps, I
have no problem getting US spec lamps in the UK. "

Hope this helps.


"Endo" <me@oh.my> wrote in message
news:5oednfE3WMv2xVbdRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
> I'll look at my 93 XJ and see if I can find anything to help you out in
the
> next day or so. Can you answer me a question though about UK Jeep
vehicles?
> Do you have yellow rear-facing lenses that are meant to be severe weather
> lights or simply rear fog lights? I saw a YJ or TJ in the first Jurassic
> Park movie that had yellows on full time facing the rear and wondered what
> for. Then I owned a Ford (Mercury) Cougar and saw people selling the UK
> rear lenses for them that included the yellow portion. They wired them as
> turn signals but after fooling with the headlamp wiring I managed to
> illuminate the rear fog lamp indicator on the dash.
>
> If I can get new lenses for my TJ with yellow in them that would be pretty
> neat.
>
> Shawn
>
>
> "MLS" <msketchley@[remove]blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Wkzyc.534$VF6.87@pathologist.blueyonder.net.. .
> > ...or corner lights, or bumper lights, or whatever other names these
> things
> > go by!
> >
> > Hello there.
> >
> > I own a 93 UK-spec XJ. In the UK the side markers are not wired up, so
> > Cherokee owners who want to do this have to do it themselves. Can anyone
> > please tell me how the side markers are wired up in the US, and what
> wattage
> > bulb they take? Also, does the entire marker become illuminated, or just
> the
> > top?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
>
>

 

>I own a 93 UK-spec XJ. In the UK the side markers are not wired up, so
>Cherokee owners who want to do this have to do it themselves. Can anyone
>please tell me how the side markers are wired up in the US, and what wattage
>bulb they take? Also, does the entire marker become illuminated, or just the
>top?
>
XJ side markers take a #194 lamp, which is 3.8 watts. On the newer ones it is
wired to flash as an additional turn signal. Only the top lights up; the
bottom of the lens is the reflector that the U.S. requires. If you saw the
entire thing lit up, maybe it was either the movie lights reflecting or it
was moddified because they thought it looked better.

As for wiring, either end of the parking light goes to one of the non-shell
contacts of the front park/turn signal lamp, one contact which goes to the
light switch and the other contact which goes to the turn/hazard assembly.
When the bright filament is not energized by the turn/hazard assembly, it
provides a path to ground for the marker light. Thus the side marker and the
park/turn light alternate being on. If you want the marker light not to
flash, then wire one end to the low park/turn filament and one to a ground,
possibly the park/turn lamp shell.

Another curious thing is the rear lighting- my manual makes no mention of
dedicated rear marker lights, but shows an empty space where the bulb would
go. Curious, I removed the tailight and found there actually were sockets
there, with long burnt-out #194 lamps. These are wired with the low filament
in the tail/brake lamp and do not flash.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

 

>I own a 93 UK-spec XJ. In the UK the side markers are not wired up, so
>Cherokee owners who want to do this have to do it themselves. Can anyone
>please tell me how the side markers are wired up in the US, and what wattage
>bulb they take? Also, does the entire marker become illuminated, or just the
>top?
>
XJ side markers take a #194 lamp, which is 3.8 watts. On the newer ones it is
wired to flash as an additional turn signal. Only the top lights up; the
bottom of the lens is the reflector that the U.S. requires. If you saw the
entire thing lit up, maybe it was either the movie lights reflecting or it
was moddified because they thought it looked better.

As for wiring, either end of the parking light goes to one of the non-shell
contacts of the front park/turn signal lamp, one contact which goes to the
light switch and the other contact which goes to the turn/hazard assembly.
When the bright filament is not energized by the turn/hazard assembly, it
provides a path to ground for the marker light. Thus the side marker and the
park/turn light alternate being on. If you want the marker light not to
flash, then wire one end to the low park/turn filament and one to a ground,
possibly the park/turn lamp shell.

Another curious thing is the rear lighting- my manual makes no mention of
dedicated rear marker lights, but shows an empty space where the bulb would
go. Curious, I removed the tailight and found there actually were sockets
there, with long burnt-out #194 lamps. These are wired with the low filament
in the tail/brake lamp and do not flash.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

 

>I own a 93 UK-spec XJ. In the UK the side markers are not wired up, so
>Cherokee owners who want to do this have to do it themselves. Can anyone
>please tell me how the side markers are wired up in the US, and what wattage
>bulb they take? Also, does the entire marker become illuminated, or just the
>top?
>
XJ side markers take a #194 lamp, which is 3.8 watts. On the newer ones it is
wired to flash as an additional turn signal. Only the top lights up; the
bottom of the lens is the reflector that the U.S. requires. If you saw the
entire thing lit up, maybe it was either the movie lights reflecting or it
was moddified because they thought it looked better.

As for wiring, either end of the parking light goes to one of the non-shell
contacts of the front park/turn signal lamp, one contact which goes to the
light switch and the other contact which goes to the turn/hazard assembly.
When the bright filament is not energized by the turn/hazard assembly, it
provides a path to ground for the marker light. Thus the side marker and the
park/turn light alternate being on. If you want the marker light not to
flash, then wire one end to the low park/turn filament and one to a ground,
possibly the park/turn lamp shell.

Another curious thing is the rear lighting- my manual makes no mention of
dedicated rear marker lights, but shows an empty space where the bulb would
go. Curious, I removed the tailight and found there actually were sockets
there, with long burnt-out #194 lamps. These are wired with the low filament
in the tail/brake lamp and do not flash.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

 

>I own a 93 UK-spec XJ. In the UK the side markers are not wired up, so
>Cherokee owners who want to do this have to do it themselves. Can anyone
>please tell me how the side markers are wired up in the US, and what wattage
>bulb they take? Also, does the entire marker become illuminated, or just the
>top?
>
XJ side markers take a #194 lamp, which is 3.8 watts. On the newer ones it is
wired to flash as an additional turn signal. Only the top lights up; the
bottom of the lens is the reflector that the U.S. requires. If you saw the
entire thing lit up, maybe it was either the movie lights reflecting or it
was moddified because they thought it looked better.

As for wiring, either end of the parking light goes to one of the non-shell
contacts of the front park/turn signal lamp, one contact which goes to the
light switch and the other contact which goes to the turn/hazard assembly.
When the bright filament is not energized by the turn/hazard assembly, it
provides a path to ground for the marker light. Thus the side marker and the
park/turn light alternate being on. If you want the marker light not to
flash, then wire one end to the low park/turn filament and one to a ground,
possibly the park/turn lamp shell.

Another curious thing is the rear lighting- my manual makes no mention of
dedicated rear marker lights, but shows an empty space where the bulb would
go. Curious, I removed the tailight and found there actually were sockets
there, with long burnt-out #194 lamps. These are wired with the low filament
in the tail/brake lamp and do not flash.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

 

Thanks for that, Monte; most helpful.

Martin

"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Eqkzc.9236$Y3.9078@newsread2.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
> >I own a 93 UK-spec XJ. In the UK the side markers are not wired up, so
> >Cherokee owners who want to do this have to do it themselves. Can anyone
> >please tell me how the side markers are wired up in the US, and what
wattage
> >bulb they take? Also, does the entire marker become illuminated, or just
the
> >top?
> >
> XJ side markers take a #194 lamp, which is 3.8 watts. On the newer ones it
is
> wired to flash as an additional turn signal. Only the top lights up; the
> bottom of the lens is the reflector that the U.S. requires. If you saw the
> entire thing lit up, maybe it was either the movie lights reflecting or it
> was moddified because they thought it looked better.
>
> As for wiring, either end of the parking light goes to one of the
non-shell
> contacts of the front park/turn signal lamp, one contact which goes to the
> light switch and the other contact which goes to the turn/hazard assembly.
> When the bright filament is not energized by the turn/hazard assembly, it
> provides a path to ground for the marker light. Thus the side marker and
the
> park/turn light alternate being on. If you want the marker light not to
> flash, then wire one end to the low park/turn filament and one to a
ground,
> possibly the park/turn lamp shell.
>
> Another curious thing is the rear lighting- my manual makes no mention of
> dedicated rear marker lights, but shows an empty space where the bulb
would
> go. Curious, I removed the tailight and found there actually were sockets
> there, with long burnt-out #194 lamps. These are wired with the low
filament
> in the tail/brake lamp and do not flash.
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
>

 

Thanks for that, Monte; most helpful.

Martin

"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Eqkzc.9236$Y3.9078@newsread2.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
> >I own a 93 UK-spec XJ. In the UK the side markers are not wired up, so
> >Cherokee owners who want to do this have to do it themselves. Can anyone
> >please tell me how the side markers are wired up in the US, and what
wattage
> >bulb they take? Also, does the entire marker become illuminated, or just
the
> >top?
> >
> XJ side markers take a #194 lamp, which is 3.8 watts. On the newer ones it
is
> wired to flash as an additional turn signal. Only the top lights up; the
> bottom of the lens is the reflector that the U.S. requires. If you saw the
> entire thing lit up, maybe it was either the movie lights reflecting or it
> was moddified because they thought it looked better.
>
> As for wiring, either end of the parking light goes to one of the
non-shell
> contacts of the front park/turn signal lamp, one contact which goes to the
> light switch and the other contact which goes to the turn/hazard assembly.
> When the bright filament is not energized by the turn/hazard assembly, it
> provides a path to ground for the marker light. Thus the side marker and
the
> park/turn light alternate being on. If you want the marker light not to
> flash, then wire one end to the low park/turn filament and one to a
ground,
> possibly the park/turn lamp shell.
>
> Another curious thing is the rear lighting- my manual makes no mention of
> dedicated rear marker lights, but shows an empty space where the bulb
would
> go. Curious, I removed the tailight and found there actually were sockets
> there, with long burnt-out #194 lamps. These are wired with the low
filament
> in the tail/brake lamp and do not flash.
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
>

 

Thanks for that, Monte; most helpful.

Martin

"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Eqkzc.9236$Y3.9078@newsread2.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
> >I own a 93 UK-spec XJ. In the UK the side markers are not wired up, so
> >Cherokee owners who want to do this have to do it themselves. Can anyone
> >please tell me how the side markers are wired up in the US, and what
wattage
> >bulb they take? Also, does the entire marker become illuminated, or just
the
> >top?
> >
> XJ side markers take a #194 lamp, which is 3.8 watts. On the newer ones it
is
> wired to flash as an additional turn signal. Only the top lights up; the
> bottom of the lens is the reflector that the U.S. requires. If you saw the
> entire thing lit up, maybe it was either the movie lights reflecting or it
> was moddified because they thought it looked better.
>
> As for wiring, either end of the parking light goes to one of the
non-shell
> contacts of the front park/turn signal lamp, one contact which goes to the
> light switch and the other contact which goes to the turn/hazard assembly.
> When the bright filament is not energized by the turn/hazard assembly, it
> provides a path to ground for the marker light. Thus the side marker and
the
> park/turn light alternate being on. If you want the marker light not to
> flash, then wire one end to the low park/turn filament and one to a
ground,
> possibly the park/turn lamp shell.
>
> Another curious thing is the rear lighting- my manual makes no mention of
> dedicated rear marker lights, but shows an empty space where the bulb
would
> go. Curious, I removed the tailight and found there actually were sockets
> there, with long burnt-out #194 lamps. These are wired with the low
filament
> in the tail/brake lamp and do not flash.
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
>

 

Thanks for that, Monte; most helpful.

Martin

"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Eqkzc.9236$Y3.9078@newsread2.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
> >I own a 93 UK-spec XJ. In the UK the side markers are not wired up, so
> >Cherokee owners who want to do this have to do it themselves. Can anyone
> >please tell me how the side markers are wired up in the US, and what
wattage
> >bulb they take? Also, does the entire marker become illuminated, or just
the
> >top?
> >
> XJ side markers take a #194 lamp, which is 3.8 watts. On the newer ones it
is
> wired to flash as an additional turn signal. Only the top lights up; the
> bottom of the lens is the reflector that the U.S. requires. If you saw the
> entire thing lit up, maybe it was either the movie lights reflecting or it
> was moddified because they thought it looked better.
>
> As for wiring, either end of the parking light goes to one of the
non-shell
> contacts of the front park/turn signal lamp, one contact which goes to the
> light switch and the other contact which goes to the turn/hazard assembly.
> When the bright filament is not energized by the turn/hazard assembly, it
> provides a path to ground for the marker light. Thus the side marker and
the
> park/turn light alternate being on. If you want the marker light not to
> flash, then wire one end to the low park/turn filament and one to a
ground,
> possibly the park/turn lamp shell.
>
> Another curious thing is the rear lighting- my manual makes no mention of
> dedicated rear marker lights, but shows an empty space where the bulb
would
> go. Curious, I removed the tailight and found there actually were sockets
> there, with long burnt-out #194 lamps. These are wired with the low
filament
> in the tail/brake lamp and do not flash.
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
>

 

I did check and confirm that the upper part of the light is all that lights
up. It has a 194 bulb in it and it also flashes on and off opposite the
front turn signal. It is designed in such a way that it doesn't seem easy
to mod it for full illumination. The bottom is mostly flat while the top
has extra room to mount the lamp.

I found some pictures of what I was looking for with the tail lights. From
the looks of it, the yellow is for turn signals and then for rear fog
lights, there is a single auxillary red light mounted to the top of the
bumper under the right side tail light. Maybe it's just a UK thing, but I
swear I saw the yellows both lit steady on the Jurassic Park Jeep. Maybe
what I saw was a New Zealand or Australia thing since I belive the movie was
filmed there.

Some pics here: http://www.jeepclub.co.uk/features.cfm?id=6

Shawn


"MLS" <msketchley@[remove]blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:q1ezc.93946$wd7.19506@front-1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Endo --
>
> This was the answer I got:
>
> "I assume this is someone in the US, but what he needs is a pair of
European
> spec tail lamp clusters for a TJ. The European lenses might fit the US
> lamps, but would still need an extra bulbholder anyway. It might be
simpler
> to get the whole thing and make up a hybrid lamp assembly out of the two
> types. Euro lamps do not include a license plate lamp, and they also do
not
> have a red side marker, and I would guess that both these are required by
> law in the US. As European spec TJs are built in the US, there should be
no
> problem walking into a US Jeep dealer and ordering the European lamps, I
> have no problem getting US spec lamps in the UK. "
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> "Endo" <me@oh.my> wrote in message
> news:5oednfE3WMv2xVbdRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
> > I'll look at my 93 XJ and see if I can find anything to help you out in
> the
> > next day or so. Can you answer me a question though about UK Jeep
> vehicles?
> > Do you have yellow rear-facing lenses that are meant to be severe
weather
> > lights or simply rear fog lights? I saw a YJ or TJ in the first
Jurassic
> > Park movie that had yellows on full time facing the rear and wondered
what
> > for. Then I owned a Ford (Mercury) Cougar and saw people selling the UK
> > rear lenses for them that included the yellow portion. They wired them
as
> > turn signals but after fooling with the headlamp wiring I managed to
> > illuminate the rear fog lamp indicator on the dash.
> >
> > If I can get new lenses for my TJ with yellow in them that would be
pretty
> > neat.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> >
> > "MLS" <msketchley@[remove]blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:Wkzyc.534$VF6.87@pathologist.blueyonder.net.. .
> > > ...or corner lights, or bumper lights, or whatever other names these
> > things
> > > go by!
> > >
> > > Hello there.
> > >
> > > I own a 93 UK-spec XJ. In the UK the side markers are not wired up, so
> > > Cherokee owners who want to do this have to do it themselves. Can
anyone
> > > please tell me how the side markers are wired up in the US, and what
> > wattage
> > > bulb they take? Also, does the entire marker become illuminated, or
just
> > the
> > > top?
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>