Words Can't Describe....
 

I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?

http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Daimler has been working towards this end of Jeep since '88. We may
have won the battle, but we surely lost the war. It's kind of like the
Japanese have bought up our film industry, and now history shows they
were just defending themselves against the American Imperial aggressor.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

John R wrote:
>
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Daimler has been working towards this end of Jeep since '88. We may
have won the battle, but we surely lost the war. It's kind of like the
Japanese have bought up our film industry, and now history shows they
were just defending themselves against the American Imperial aggressor.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

John R wrote:
>
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Daimler has been working towards this end of Jeep since '88. We may
have won the battle, but we surely lost the war. It's kind of like the
Japanese have bought up our film industry, and now history shows they
were just defending themselves against the American Imperial aggressor.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

John R wrote:
>
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Looks way too breakable ...and it actually has AERODYNAMICS ...and as a
Jeeper with a brick-on-rollerskates mentality, aerodynamics are useless.
Give me a square. Drop some O/S mudders on it, make it heavy and metallic,
give me a rusted paintjob and $9000 of offroad accessories that can supply
an infantry division, and then meet me on the trails. That thing looks like
a spiked-up-minicooper-on-'roids.

boo


"John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
>
http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Looks way too breakable ...and it actually has AERODYNAMICS ...and as a
Jeeper with a brick-on-rollerskates mentality, aerodynamics are useless.
Give me a square. Drop some O/S mudders on it, make it heavy and metallic,
give me a rusted paintjob and $9000 of offroad accessories that can supply
an infantry division, and then meet me on the trails. That thing looks like
a spiked-up-minicooper-on-'roids.

boo


"John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
>
http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Looks way too breakable ...and it actually has AERODYNAMICS ...and as a
Jeeper with a brick-on-rollerskates mentality, aerodynamics are useless.
Give me a square. Drop some O/S mudders on it, make it heavy and metallic,
give me a rusted paintjob and $9000 of offroad accessories that can supply
an infantry division, and then meet me on the trails. That thing looks like
a spiked-up-minicooper-on-'roids.

boo


"John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
>
http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Sure! It'd make a great Hot Wheel car!

John R wrote:
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Sure! It'd make a great Hot Wheel car!

John R wrote:
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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__________________________________________________ _________

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Sure! It'd make a great Hot Wheel car!

John R wrote:
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

GOD I hope not, I would have to buy a Hummer.
HarryS

"John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
>I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

GOD I hope not, I would have to buy a Hummer.
HarryS

"John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
>I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

GOD I hope not, I would have to buy a Hummer.
HarryS

"John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
>I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Your right. Words cant describe how hideous that is!!!



On 22 Sep 2004 21:26:24 -0700, john_r357@hotmail.com (John R) wrote:

>>I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>>
>>http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Your right. Words cant describe how hideous that is!!!



On 22 Sep 2004 21:26:24 -0700, john_r357@hotmail.com (John R) wrote:

>>I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>>
>>http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

Your right. Words cant describe how hideous that is!!!



On 22 Sep 2004 21:26:24 -0700, john_r357@hotmail.com (John R) wrote:

>>I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>>
>>http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom...-0-0-0,00.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

twaldron <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message news:<vZy4d.535$q67.240@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com >...
> Sure! It'd make a great Hot Wheel car!
>
> John R wrote:
> > I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?

Doubtful, because it wouldn't sell. If the trad Jeep market will buy
the brick on wheels and won't buy anything else, they will keep making
the brick on wheels. The old style Jeeps are made by several companies
in export markets and they probably will be imported here when the
cost of federalizing them intersects the higher production costs in
some of these markets, where the local auto industry is actually not
that cost competitive despite low wages due to low productivity or the
local governments cause too much trouble.

It's worth noting that several "throwback" products like the
Hindustan Ambassador are sold in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, and
if they thought Americans would buy 'em in numbers enough to
federalize them they would here too. The Indian built new 1955 Royal
Enfield bikes are over here now, although the price is a lot higher
than over there.

Just like the Harleys, it's now possible to build a Jeep from all
aftermarket parts, and if used Jeeps were priced like Harleys, a lot
more people would. Harley-Davidson would probably love to make only
the V-Rod liquid cooled bike, but they're not selling. The old one is.
So it stays in production. The DIY assembled and Big Dog aftermarket
bikes are a definite factor keeping H-D on its old style course.

If people wouldn't buy shitty products, they would quit making them.

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

twaldron <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message news:<vZy4d.535$q67.240@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com >...
> Sure! It'd make a great Hot Wheel car!
>
> John R wrote:
> > I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?

Doubtful, because it wouldn't sell. If the trad Jeep market will buy
the brick on wheels and won't buy anything else, they will keep making
the brick on wheels. The old style Jeeps are made by several companies
in export markets and they probably will be imported here when the
cost of federalizing them intersects the higher production costs in
some of these markets, where the local auto industry is actually not
that cost competitive despite low wages due to low productivity or the
local governments cause too much trouble.

It's worth noting that several "throwback" products like the
Hindustan Ambassador are sold in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, and
if they thought Americans would buy 'em in numbers enough to
federalize them they would here too. The Indian built new 1955 Royal
Enfield bikes are over here now, although the price is a lot higher
than over there.

Just like the Harleys, it's now possible to build a Jeep from all
aftermarket parts, and if used Jeeps were priced like Harleys, a lot
more people would. Harley-Davidson would probably love to make only
the V-Rod liquid cooled bike, but they're not selling. The old one is.
So it stays in production. The DIY assembled and Big Dog aftermarket
bikes are a definite factor keeping H-D on its old style course.

If people wouldn't buy shitty products, they would quit making them.

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

twaldron <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message news:<vZy4d.535$q67.240@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com >...
> Sure! It'd make a great Hot Wheel car!
>
> John R wrote:
> > I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?

Doubtful, because it wouldn't sell. If the trad Jeep market will buy
the brick on wheels and won't buy anything else, they will keep making
the brick on wheels. The old style Jeeps are made by several companies
in export markets and they probably will be imported here when the
cost of federalizing them intersects the higher production costs in
some of these markets, where the local auto industry is actually not
that cost competitive despite low wages due to low productivity or the
local governments cause too much trouble.

It's worth noting that several "throwback" products like the
Hindustan Ambassador are sold in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, and
if they thought Americans would buy 'em in numbers enough to
federalize them they would here too. The Indian built new 1955 Royal
Enfield bikes are over here now, although the price is a lot higher
than over there.

Just like the Harleys, it's now possible to build a Jeep from all
aftermarket parts, and if used Jeeps were priced like Harleys, a lot
more people would. Harley-Davidson would probably love to make only
the V-Rod liquid cooled bike, but they're not selling. The old one is.
So it stays in production. The DIY assembled and Big Dog aftermarket
bikes are a definite factor keeping H-D on its old style course.

If people wouldn't buy shitty products, they would quit making them.

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

"John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?

IT DID

Daimler Chrysler have had the smart car in production in Europe for
years................there are many similarities

http://www.thesmart.co.uk/index.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

"John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?

IT DID

Daimler Chrysler have had the smart car in production in Europe for
years................there are many similarities

http://www.thesmart.co.uk/index.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

"John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
> I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?

IT DID

Daimler Chrysler have had the smart car in production in Europe for
years................there are many similarities

http://www.thesmart.co.uk/index.html

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

and very nasty they are too. Stupid little cars bought by stupid people.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"AK" <me@false.email.con> wrote in message
news:cj1eh4$ulh$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> "John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
> > I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> IT DID
>
> Daimler Chrysler have had the smart car in production in Europe for
> years................there are many similarities
>
> http://www.thesmart.co.uk/index.html
>
>

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

and very nasty they are too. Stupid little cars bought by stupid people.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"AK" <me@false.email.con> wrote in message
news:cj1eh4$ulh$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> "John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
> > I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> IT DID
>
> Daimler Chrysler have had the smart car in production in Europe for
> years................there are many similarities
>
> http://www.thesmart.co.uk/index.html
>
>

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

and very nasty they are too. Stupid little cars bought by stupid people.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"AK" <me@false.email.con> wrote in message
news:cj1eh4$ulh$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> "John R" <john_r357@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:77ac046e.0409222026.2a732eb5@posting.google.c om...
> > I wonder if it'll ever make it to production?
>
> IT DID
>
> Daimler Chrysler have had the smart car in production in Europe for
> years................there are many similarities
>
> http://www.thesmart.co.uk/index.html
>
>

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:P5Z4d.683$ED.552@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> and very nasty they are too. Stupid little cars bought by stupid people.

Agreed.................I wouldn't be seen dead in one - not that a dead
body would fit inside one!!!

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:P5Z4d.683$ED.552@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> and very nasty they are too. Stupid little cars bought by stupid people.

Agreed.................I wouldn't be seen dead in one - not that a dead
body would fit inside one!!!

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:P5Z4d.683$ED.552@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> and very nasty they are too. Stupid little cars bought by stupid people.

Agreed.................I wouldn't be seen dead in one - not that a dead
body would fit inside one!!!

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

I'm after a few stickers of smartcars - I plan to draw a little red cross
through them and
stick them to the front bumper of my wagoneer...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"AK" <me@false.email.con> wrote in message
news:cj1rf0$2pp$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:P5Z4d.683$ED.552@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> > and very nasty they are too. Stupid little cars bought by stupid people.
>
> Agreed.................I wouldn't be seen dead in one - not that a dead
> body would fit inside one!!!
>
>

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

I'm after a few stickers of smartcars - I plan to draw a little red cross
through them and
stick them to the front bumper of my wagoneer...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"AK" <me@false.email.con> wrote in message
news:cj1rf0$2pp$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:P5Z4d.683$ED.552@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> > and very nasty they are too. Stupid little cars bought by stupid people.
>
> Agreed.................I wouldn't be seen dead in one - not that a dead
> body would fit inside one!!!
>
>

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

I'm after a few stickers of smartcars - I plan to draw a little red cross
through them and
stick them to the front bumper of my wagoneer...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"AK" <me@false.email.con> wrote in message
news:cj1rf0$2pp$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:P5Z4d.683$ED.552@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> > and very nasty they are too. Stupid little cars bought by stupid people.
>
> Agreed.................I wouldn't be seen dead in one - not that a dead
> body would fit inside one!!!
>
>

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

It's worth keeping in mind that federal safety and emmissions standards
continue to evolve. Future side-impact standards or some other nonsense
could regulate the "traditional" jeep into history. As others suggest,
thank goodness for the strong aftermarket, to keep "real" jeeps
(including TJs, whatever Bill ------ may think) on the road for a long,
long time.

B

--
Brian Heller

It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

It's worth keeping in mind that federal safety and emmissions standards
continue to evolve. Future side-impact standards or some other nonsense
could regulate the "traditional" jeep into history. As others suggest,
thank goodness for the strong aftermarket, to keep "real" jeeps
(including TJs, whatever Bill ------ may think) on the road for a long,
long time.

B

--
Brian Heller

It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

It's worth keeping in mind that federal safety and emmissions standards
continue to evolve. Future side-impact standards or some other nonsense
could regulate the "traditional" jeep into history. As others suggest,
thank goodness for the strong aftermarket, to keep "real" jeeps
(including TJs, whatever Bill ------ may think) on the road for a long,
long time.

B

--
Brian Heller

It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

New cars are being built with the aim of allowing feckless pedestrians to
leap out in front of you and survive being hit. No way any Jeep or 4x4 is
going to
be able to stay the same pedestrian-splatting shape for very long, I think.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-C213B1.19560524092004@news.verizon.net...
> It's worth keeping in mind that federal safety and emmissions standards
> continue to evolve. Future side-impact standards or some other nonsense
> could regulate the "traditional" jeep into history. As others suggest,
> thank goodness for the strong aftermarket, to keep "real" jeeps
> (including TJs, whatever Bill ------ may think) on the road for a long,
> long time.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

New cars are being built with the aim of allowing feckless pedestrians to
leap out in front of you and survive being hit. No way any Jeep or 4x4 is
going to
be able to stay the same pedestrian-splatting shape for very long, I think.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-C213B1.19560524092004@news.verizon.net...
> It's worth keeping in mind that federal safety and emmissions standards
> continue to evolve. Future side-impact standards or some other nonsense
> could regulate the "traditional" jeep into history. As others suggest,
> thank goodness for the strong aftermarket, to keep "real" jeeps
> (including TJs, whatever Bill ------ may think) on the road for a long,
> long time.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

New cars are being built with the aim of allowing feckless pedestrians to
leap out in front of you and survive being hit. No way any Jeep or 4x4 is
going to
be able to stay the same pedestrian-splatting shape for very long, I think.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-C213B1.19560524092004@news.verizon.net...
> It's worth keeping in mind that federal safety and emmissions standards
> continue to evolve. Future side-impact standards or some other nonsense
> could regulate the "traditional" jeep into history. As others suggest,
> thank goodness for the strong aftermarket, to keep "real" jeeps
> (including TJs, whatever Bill ------ may think) on the road for a long,
> long time.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:EY75d.884$ED.630@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> New cars are being built with the aim of allowing feckless pedestrians to
> leap out in front of you and survive being hit. No way any Jeep or 4x4 is
> going to
> be able to stay the same pedestrian-splatting shape for very long, I
think.

I was a bit miffed with my new Cherokee (Liberty) - they gave me an
accessories catalogue, decided I wanted a nice shiney front A bar to be told
that I couldn't have one fitted because it is now against the law for 2004
onwards cars to have them!!!

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:EY75d.884$ED.630@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> New cars are being built with the aim of allowing feckless pedestrians to
> leap out in front of you and survive being hit. No way any Jeep or 4x4 is
> going to
> be able to stay the same pedestrian-splatting shape for very long, I
think.

I was a bit miffed with my new Cherokee (Liberty) - they gave me an
accessories catalogue, decided I wanted a nice shiney front A bar to be told
that I couldn't have one fitted because it is now against the law for 2004
onwards cars to have them!!!

Re: Words Can't Describe....
 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:EY75d.884$ED.630@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> New cars are being built with the aim of allowing feckless pedestrians to
> leap out in front of you and survive being hit. No way any Jeep or 4x4 is
> going to
> be able to stay the same pedestrian-splatting shape for very long, I
think.

I was a bit miffed with my new Cherokee (Liberty) - they gave me an
accessories catalogue, decided I wanted a nice shiney front A bar to be told
that I couldn't have one fitted because it is now against the law for 2004
onwards cars to have them!!!