Wobble after bumps
09-10-2003, 09:31 PM
#11
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Re: Wobble after bumps
If everything is perfect. no wobble.
If the stabilizer is worn and/or parts are worn, you can get the DW.
The stabilizer can be the cause on a vehicle with 200K easily. No old
steering system is 'perfect', so the stabilizer needs to work. That is
what it is there for.
Cars don't have it, Jeeps and other trucks need it.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Mark Wilson wrote:
>
> Thanks, the most common answer I'm seeing is steering stabilizer.
> I've also seen ABS kicking in, U-Joint, re-re-re balance, drive shaft
> is not aligned right, etc, etc.... after running a Google search, I
> was amazed at how many folks out there are spending THOUSANDS to find
> the problem only to have it back at the shop to tell em..try again.
> I've called every Jeep dealer in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and none
> claim to have ever heard of the Jeep Death Wobble. I don't believe it
> for a second.
>
> Question, stabilizer is a cause, or a result of something else gone
> wacko and putting too much strain on the stablizer?
>
> >That is called the 'death wobble' and is caused by a marginally or
> >really worn part overpowering the steering stabilizer shock.
> >
> >Check out the stabilizer for signs it has leaked.
> >
> >If the stabilizer is still good, then some other part is seriously
> >dead. On a 95 I would be suspecting the stabilizer first though.
> >
> >That shock is on the steering to keep it mellow when parts wear
> >slightly. A 'perfect' front end usually doesn't need one, but parts
> >wear, so 'perfect' doesn't last long.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Mark Wilson wrote:
> >>
> >> I hate to beat a dead horse, BUT..
> >> '95 Cherokee, 200K miles, 2wd, NO lift kit, tires balanced and
> >> rebalanced, front end supposedly aligned, tried a different set of
> >> tires courtesy of a front end/tire shop... entire vehicle vibrates
> >> after hitting road bump at highway speed. Slow to 20 mph or so and
> >> goes away. I've seen a bazillion answers for this.
> >>
> >> Thanks
If the stabilizer is worn and/or parts are worn, you can get the DW.
The stabilizer can be the cause on a vehicle with 200K easily. No old
steering system is 'perfect', so the stabilizer needs to work. That is
what it is there for.
Cars don't have it, Jeeps and other trucks need it.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Mark Wilson wrote:
>
> Thanks, the most common answer I'm seeing is steering stabilizer.
> I've also seen ABS kicking in, U-Joint, re-re-re balance, drive shaft
> is not aligned right, etc, etc.... after running a Google search, I
> was amazed at how many folks out there are spending THOUSANDS to find
> the problem only to have it back at the shop to tell em..try again.
> I've called every Jeep dealer in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and none
> claim to have ever heard of the Jeep Death Wobble. I don't believe it
> for a second.
>
> Question, stabilizer is a cause, or a result of something else gone
> wacko and putting too much strain on the stablizer?
>
> >That is called the 'death wobble' and is caused by a marginally or
> >really worn part overpowering the steering stabilizer shock.
> >
> >Check out the stabilizer for signs it has leaked.
> >
> >If the stabilizer is still good, then some other part is seriously
> >dead. On a 95 I would be suspecting the stabilizer first though.
> >
> >That shock is on the steering to keep it mellow when parts wear
> >slightly. A 'perfect' front end usually doesn't need one, but parts
> >wear, so 'perfect' doesn't last long.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Mark Wilson wrote:
> >>
> >> I hate to beat a dead horse, BUT..
> >> '95 Cherokee, 200K miles, 2wd, NO lift kit, tires balanced and
> >> rebalanced, front end supposedly aligned, tried a different set of
> >> tires courtesy of a front end/tire shop... entire vehicle vibrates
> >> after hitting road bump at highway speed. Slow to 20 mph or so and
> >> goes away. I've seen a bazillion answers for this.
> >>
> >> Thanks
09-10-2003, 09:54 PM
#12
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Re: Wobble after bumps
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:17:34 +0000, Mark Wilson wrote:
> I've called every Jeep dealer in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and none
> claim to have ever heard of the Jeep Death Wobble. I don't believe it
> for a second.
It's a coloquial term among Jeepers. I don't doubt for a second that most
mechanics, even Jeep dealer machanics, have never heard of it.
> Question, stabilizer is a cause, or a result of something else gone
> wacko and putting too much strain on the stablizer?
Result....put a new one on and it too will be shot in short order. As Mike
said already, usually the cause is loose or worn steering components, or
in the case of SWB Jeeps, especially lifted TJs, INSUFFICIENT CASTER!!!
Paul
> I've called every Jeep dealer in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and none
> claim to have ever heard of the Jeep Death Wobble. I don't believe it
> for a second.
It's a coloquial term among Jeepers. I don't doubt for a second that most
mechanics, even Jeep dealer machanics, have never heard of it.
> Question, stabilizer is a cause, or a result of something else gone
> wacko and putting too much strain on the stablizer?
Result....put a new one on and it too will be shot in short order. As Mike
said already, usually the cause is loose or worn steering components, or
in the case of SWB Jeeps, especially lifted TJs, INSUFFICIENT CASTER!!!
Paul
09-10-2003, 09:54 PM
#13
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Re: Wobble after bumps
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:17:34 +0000, Mark Wilson wrote:
> I've called every Jeep dealer in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and none
> claim to have ever heard of the Jeep Death Wobble. I don't believe it
> for a second.
It's a coloquial term among Jeepers. I don't doubt for a second that most
mechanics, even Jeep dealer machanics, have never heard of it.
> Question, stabilizer is a cause, or a result of something else gone
> wacko and putting too much strain on the stablizer?
Result....put a new one on and it too will be shot in short order. As Mike
said already, usually the cause is loose or worn steering components, or
in the case of SWB Jeeps, especially lifted TJs, INSUFFICIENT CASTER!!!
Paul
> I've called every Jeep dealer in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and none
> claim to have ever heard of the Jeep Death Wobble. I don't believe it
> for a second.
It's a coloquial term among Jeepers. I don't doubt for a second that most
mechanics, even Jeep dealer machanics, have never heard of it.
> Question, stabilizer is a cause, or a result of something else gone
> wacko and putting too much strain on the stablizer?
Result....put a new one on and it too will be shot in short order. As Mike
said already, usually the cause is loose or worn steering components, or
in the case of SWB Jeeps, especially lifted TJs, INSUFFICIENT CASTER!!!
Paul
09-10-2003, 10:41 PM
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Re: Wobble after bumps
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:54:25 -0400, "Paul Keating"
<pkeating@nospam.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:17:34 +0000, Mark Wilson wrote:
>
>> I've called every Jeep dealer in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and none
>> claim to have ever heard of the Jeep Death Wobble. I don't believe it
>> for a second.
>
>It's a coloquial term among Jeepers. I don't doubt for a second that most
>mechanics, even Jeep dealer machanics, have never heard of it.
>
>> Question, stabilizer is a cause, or a result of something else gone
>> wacko and putting too much strain on the stablizer?
>
>Result....put a new one on and it too will be shot in short order. As Mike
>said already, usually the cause is loose or worn steering components, or
>in the case of SWB Jeeps, especially lifted TJs, INSUFFICIENT CASTER!!!
>
>Paul
Thanks a million folks :-) naw, I didn't use the term DW with the
dealers but the symptoms and how they are fairly common among jeeps.
I'll take the plunge and go to work on a new stabilizer and the
adjustments needed.
<pkeating@nospam.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:17:34 +0000, Mark Wilson wrote:
>
>> I've called every Jeep dealer in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and none
>> claim to have ever heard of the Jeep Death Wobble. I don't believe it
>> for a second.
>
>It's a coloquial term among Jeepers. I don't doubt for a second that most
>mechanics, even Jeep dealer machanics, have never heard of it.
>
>> Question, stabilizer is a cause, or a result of something else gone
>> wacko and putting too much strain on the stablizer?
>
>Result....put a new one on and it too will be shot in short order. As Mike
>said already, usually the cause is loose or worn steering components, or
>in the case of SWB Jeeps, especially lifted TJs, INSUFFICIENT CASTER!!!
>
>Paul
Thanks a million folks :-) naw, I didn't use the term DW with the
dealers but the symptoms and how they are fairly common among jeeps.
I'll take the plunge and go to work on a new stabilizer and the
adjustments needed.
09-10-2003, 10:41 PM
#15
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Re: Wobble after bumps
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:54:25 -0400, "Paul Keating"
<pkeating@nospam.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:17:34 +0000, Mark Wilson wrote:
>
>> I've called every Jeep dealer in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and none
>> claim to have ever heard of the Jeep Death Wobble. I don't believe it
>> for a second.
>
>It's a coloquial term among Jeepers. I don't doubt for a second that most
>mechanics, even Jeep dealer machanics, have never heard of it.
>
>> Question, stabilizer is a cause, or a result of something else gone
>> wacko and putting too much strain on the stablizer?
>
>Result....put a new one on and it too will be shot in short order. As Mike
>said already, usually the cause is loose or worn steering components, or
>in the case of SWB Jeeps, especially lifted TJs, INSUFFICIENT CASTER!!!
>
>Paul
Thanks a million folks :-) naw, I didn't use the term DW with the
dealers but the symptoms and how they are fairly common among jeeps.
I'll take the plunge and go to work on a new stabilizer and the
adjustments needed.
<pkeating@nospam.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:17:34 +0000, Mark Wilson wrote:
>
>> I've called every Jeep dealer in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and none
>> claim to have ever heard of the Jeep Death Wobble. I don't believe it
>> for a second.
>
>It's a coloquial term among Jeepers. I don't doubt for a second that most
>mechanics, even Jeep dealer machanics, have never heard of it.
>
>> Question, stabilizer is a cause, or a result of something else gone
>> wacko and putting too much strain on the stablizer?
>
>Result....put a new one on and it too will be shot in short order. As Mike
>said already, usually the cause is loose or worn steering components, or
>in the case of SWB Jeeps, especially lifted TJs, INSUFFICIENT CASTER!!!
>
>Paul
Thanks a million folks :-) naw, I didn't use the term DW with the
dealers but the symptoms and how they are fairly common among jeeps.
I'll take the plunge and go to work on a new stabilizer and the
adjustments needed.
10-03-2003, 09:29 AM
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Re: Wobble after bumps
Mark Wilson <barbershopmark@charter.net> wrote in message news:<c7rulv8tuie2q1ef7r00goo1tgp5qhmui5@4ax.com>. ..
> I hate to beat a dead horse, BUT..
> '95 Cherokee, 200K miles, 2wd, NO lift kit, tires balanced and
> rebalanced, front end supposedly aligned, tried a different set of
> tires courtesy of a front end/tire shop... entire vehicle vibrates
> after hitting road bump at highway speed. Slow to 20 mph or so and
> goes away. I've seen a bazillion answers for this.
>
> Thanks
I have a 2002 Wrangler Sport that between 50 and 55 either
accelerating or braking does this if you hit a bump. The Jeep has
turned into our primary driver, so I have 41000 miles on it. I have
been following this thread for a bit now. I guess I will need to look
into a new stabilizer. Any ideas on what to get? Any ideas on other
causes I should look at? I don't have a lift and I have the tires
that came on the Sport/Canyon group I think it was called. They're
about 31s I think. Thanks for your help.
> I hate to beat a dead horse, BUT..
> '95 Cherokee, 200K miles, 2wd, NO lift kit, tires balanced and
> rebalanced, front end supposedly aligned, tried a different set of
> tires courtesy of a front end/tire shop... entire vehicle vibrates
> after hitting road bump at highway speed. Slow to 20 mph or so and
> goes away. I've seen a bazillion answers for this.
>
> Thanks
I have a 2002 Wrangler Sport that between 50 and 55 either
accelerating or braking does this if you hit a bump. The Jeep has
turned into our primary driver, so I have 41000 miles on it. I have
been following this thread for a bit now. I guess I will need to look
into a new stabilizer. Any ideas on what to get? Any ideas on other
causes I should look at? I don't have a lift and I have the tires
that came on the Sport/Canyon group I think it was called. They're
about 31s I think. Thanks for your help.
10-03-2003, 09:29 AM
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Re: Wobble after bumps
Mark Wilson <barbershopmark@charter.net> wrote in message news:<c7rulv8tuie2q1ef7r00goo1tgp5qhmui5@4ax.com>. ..
> I hate to beat a dead horse, BUT..
> '95 Cherokee, 200K miles, 2wd, NO lift kit, tires balanced and
> rebalanced, front end supposedly aligned, tried a different set of
> tires courtesy of a front end/tire shop... entire vehicle vibrates
> after hitting road bump at highway speed. Slow to 20 mph or so and
> goes away. I've seen a bazillion answers for this.
>
> Thanks
I have a 2002 Wrangler Sport that between 50 and 55 either
accelerating or braking does this if you hit a bump. The Jeep has
turned into our primary driver, so I have 41000 miles on it. I have
been following this thread for a bit now. I guess I will need to look
into a new stabilizer. Any ideas on what to get? Any ideas on other
causes I should look at? I don't have a lift and I have the tires
that came on the Sport/Canyon group I think it was called. They're
about 31s I think. Thanks for your help.
> I hate to beat a dead horse, BUT..
> '95 Cherokee, 200K miles, 2wd, NO lift kit, tires balanced and
> rebalanced, front end supposedly aligned, tried a different set of
> tires courtesy of a front end/tire shop... entire vehicle vibrates
> after hitting road bump at highway speed. Slow to 20 mph or so and
> goes away. I've seen a bazillion answers for this.
>
> Thanks
I have a 2002 Wrangler Sport that between 50 and 55 either
accelerating or braking does this if you hit a bump. The Jeep has
turned into our primary driver, so I have 41000 miles on it. I have
been following this thread for a bit now. I guess I will need to look
into a new stabilizer. Any ideas on what to get? Any ideas on other
causes I should look at? I don't have a lift and I have the tires
that came on the Sport/Canyon group I think it was called. They're
about 31s I think. Thanks for your help.
10-03-2003, 09:29 AM
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Re: Wobble after bumps
Mark Wilson <barbershopmark@charter.net> wrote in message news:<c7rulv8tuie2q1ef7r00goo1tgp5qhmui5@4ax.com>. ..
> I hate to beat a dead horse, BUT..
> '95 Cherokee, 200K miles, 2wd, NO lift kit, tires balanced and
> rebalanced, front end supposedly aligned, tried a different set of
> tires courtesy of a front end/tire shop... entire vehicle vibrates
> after hitting road bump at highway speed. Slow to 20 mph or so and
> goes away. I've seen a bazillion answers for this.
>
> Thanks
I have a 2002 Wrangler Sport that between 50 and 55 either
accelerating or braking does this if you hit a bump. The Jeep has
turned into our primary driver, so I have 41000 miles on it. I have
been following this thread for a bit now. I guess I will need to look
into a new stabilizer. Any ideas on what to get? Any ideas on other
causes I should look at? I don't have a lift and I have the tires
that came on the Sport/Canyon group I think it was called. They're
about 31s I think. Thanks for your help.
> I hate to beat a dead horse, BUT..
> '95 Cherokee, 200K miles, 2wd, NO lift kit, tires balanced and
> rebalanced, front end supposedly aligned, tried a different set of
> tires courtesy of a front end/tire shop... entire vehicle vibrates
> after hitting road bump at highway speed. Slow to 20 mph or so and
> goes away. I've seen a bazillion answers for this.
>
> Thanks
I have a 2002 Wrangler Sport that between 50 and 55 either
accelerating or braking does this if you hit a bump. The Jeep has
turned into our primary driver, so I have 41000 miles on it. I have
been following this thread for a bit now. I guess I will need to look
into a new stabilizer. Any ideas on what to get? Any ideas on other
causes I should look at? I don't have a lift and I have the tires
that came on the Sport/Canyon group I think it was called. They're
about 31s I think. Thanks for your help.