Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
02-14-2007, 10:00 AM
#51
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Re: Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
When you are 'floating' along with no acceleration or deceleration it
doesn't matter if you have an auto or a standard, you are still just
floating along.
Not the use of the word 'floating'.
When you are under any deceleration, the torque load has to happen
because the driveshaft is turning the tranny which in turn is trying to
turn the engine. It doesn't take much to push the wear spot against one
side of the part to tighten it up.
That is also one reason some folks like standards so much better than
automatics, for the better 'feel' you have when slowing down or using
the gears.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
> While I totally agree its a stupid idea to coast in neutral, I don't buy
> your argument - automatic transmissions effectively coast on the overrun.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>>> When you coast in neutral, it unloads the suspension making everything
>>> just flop around loose. This can translate to marginal wear that you
>>> wouldn't normally notice in say shackles, springs, bushings, tie rod
> ends,
>>> etc all adding up to give a serious loss of control.
>>>
>>> When you are in gear, all these parts get under a torque load that keeps
>>> things at one side of their wear pattern which keeps it stable.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>
>
doesn't matter if you have an auto or a standard, you are still just
floating along.
Not the use of the word 'floating'.
When you are under any deceleration, the torque load has to happen
because the driveshaft is turning the tranny which in turn is trying to
turn the engine. It doesn't take much to push the wear spot against one
side of the part to tighten it up.
That is also one reason some folks like standards so much better than
automatics, for the better 'feel' you have when slowing down or using
the gears.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
> While I totally agree its a stupid idea to coast in neutral, I don't buy
> your argument - automatic transmissions effectively coast on the overrun.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>>> When you coast in neutral, it unloads the suspension making everything
>>> just flop around loose. This can translate to marginal wear that you
>>> wouldn't normally notice in say shackles, springs, bushings, tie rod
> ends,
>>> etc all adding up to give a serious loss of control.
>>>
>>> When you are in gear, all these parts get under a torque load that keeps
>>> things at one side of their wear pattern which keeps it stable.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>
>
02-14-2007, 10:00 AM
#52
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Re: Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
When you are 'floating' along with no acceleration or deceleration it
doesn't matter if you have an auto or a standard, you are still just
floating along.
Not the use of the word 'floating'.
When you are under any deceleration, the torque load has to happen
because the driveshaft is turning the tranny which in turn is trying to
turn the engine. It doesn't take much to push the wear spot against one
side of the part to tighten it up.
That is also one reason some folks like standards so much better than
automatics, for the better 'feel' you have when slowing down or using
the gears.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
> While I totally agree its a stupid idea to coast in neutral, I don't buy
> your argument - automatic transmissions effectively coast on the overrun.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>>> When you coast in neutral, it unloads the suspension making everything
>>> just flop around loose. This can translate to marginal wear that you
>>> wouldn't normally notice in say shackles, springs, bushings, tie rod
> ends,
>>> etc all adding up to give a serious loss of control.
>>>
>>> When you are in gear, all these parts get under a torque load that keeps
>>> things at one side of their wear pattern which keeps it stable.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>
>
doesn't matter if you have an auto or a standard, you are still just
floating along.
Not the use of the word 'floating'.
When you are under any deceleration, the torque load has to happen
because the driveshaft is turning the tranny which in turn is trying to
turn the engine. It doesn't take much to push the wear spot against one
side of the part to tighten it up.
That is also one reason some folks like standards so much better than
automatics, for the better 'feel' you have when slowing down or using
the gears.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
> While I totally agree its a stupid idea to coast in neutral, I don't buy
> your argument - automatic transmissions effectively coast on the overrun.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>>> When you coast in neutral, it unloads the suspension making everything
>>> just flop around loose. This can translate to marginal wear that you
>>> wouldn't normally notice in say shackles, springs, bushings, tie rod
> ends,
>>> etc all adding up to give a serious loss of control.
>>>
>>> When you are in gear, all these parts get under a torque load that keeps
>>> things at one side of their wear pattern which keeps it stable.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>
>
02-14-2007, 10:00 AM
#53
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Re: Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
When you are 'floating' along with no acceleration or deceleration it
doesn't matter if you have an auto or a standard, you are still just
floating along.
Not the use of the word 'floating'.
When you are under any deceleration, the torque load has to happen
because the driveshaft is turning the tranny which in turn is trying to
turn the engine. It doesn't take much to push the wear spot against one
side of the part to tighten it up.
That is also one reason some folks like standards so much better than
automatics, for the better 'feel' you have when slowing down or using
the gears.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
> While I totally agree its a stupid idea to coast in neutral, I don't buy
> your argument - automatic transmissions effectively coast on the overrun.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>>> When you coast in neutral, it unloads the suspension making everything
>>> just flop around loose. This can translate to marginal wear that you
>>> wouldn't normally notice in say shackles, springs, bushings, tie rod
> ends,
>>> etc all adding up to give a serious loss of control.
>>>
>>> When you are in gear, all these parts get under a torque load that keeps
>>> things at one side of their wear pattern which keeps it stable.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>
>
doesn't matter if you have an auto or a standard, you are still just
floating along.
Not the use of the word 'floating'.
When you are under any deceleration, the torque load has to happen
because the driveshaft is turning the tranny which in turn is trying to
turn the engine. It doesn't take much to push the wear spot against one
side of the part to tighten it up.
That is also one reason some folks like standards so much better than
automatics, for the better 'feel' you have when slowing down or using
the gears.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
> While I totally agree its a stupid idea to coast in neutral, I don't buy
> your argument - automatic transmissions effectively coast on the overrun.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>>> When you coast in neutral, it unloads the suspension making everything
>>> just flop around loose. This can translate to marginal wear that you
>>> wouldn't normally notice in say shackles, springs, bushings, tie rod
> ends,
>>> etc all adding up to give a serious loss of control.
>>>
>>> When you are in gear, all these parts get under a torque load that keeps
>>> things at one side of their wear pattern which keeps it stable.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>
>
02-14-2007, 10:06 AM
#54
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Re: Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Silly claptrap
>
Rookie eh.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> Silly claptrap
>
Rookie eh.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
02-14-2007, 10:06 AM
#55
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Re: Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Silly claptrap
>
Rookie eh.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> Silly claptrap
>
Rookie eh.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
02-14-2007, 10:06 AM
#56
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Re: Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Silly claptrap
>
Rookie eh.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> Silly claptrap
>
Rookie eh.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
02-14-2007, 10:06 AM
#57
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Re: Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Silly claptrap
>
Rookie eh.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> Silly claptrap
>
Rookie eh.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
02-14-2007, 10:24 AM
#58
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Re: Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Mike Romain wrote:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Silly claptrap
>>
>
> Rookie eh.
Probably not or, at least, not at what he's doing. "Nomen Nescio" is a
pseudonym frequently used by those whose hobby is trolling Usenet. The
words themselves are Latin and mean "I do not know the name".
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Silly claptrap
>>
>
> Rookie eh.
Probably not or, at least, not at what he's doing. "Nomen Nescio" is a
pseudonym frequently used by those whose hobby is trolling Usenet. The
words themselves are Latin and mean "I do not know the name".
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
02-14-2007, 10:24 AM
#59
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Re: Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Mike Romain wrote:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Silly claptrap
>>
>
> Rookie eh.
Probably not or, at least, not at what he's doing. "Nomen Nescio" is a
pseudonym frequently used by those whose hobby is trolling Usenet. The
words themselves are Latin and mean "I do not know the name".
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Silly claptrap
>>
>
> Rookie eh.
Probably not or, at least, not at what he's doing. "Nomen Nescio" is a
pseudonym frequently used by those whose hobby is trolling Usenet. The
words themselves are Latin and mean "I do not know the name".
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
02-14-2007, 10:24 AM
#60
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Re: Woah.. worth a read esp modded gear people
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Mike Romain wrote:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Silly claptrap
>>
>
> Rookie eh.
Probably not or, at least, not at what he's doing. "Nomen Nescio" is a
pseudonym frequently used by those whose hobby is trolling Usenet. The
words themselves are Latin and mean "I do not know the name".
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Silly claptrap
>>
>
> Rookie eh.
Probably not or, at least, not at what he's doing. "Nomen Nescio" is a
pseudonym frequently used by those whose hobby is trolling Usenet. The
words themselves are Latin and mean "I do not know the name".
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.