Kris

Is the pedal vibrating? When I split the gearbox from the engine on my
81 CJ, I had problems putting it back together. Things were apparently
OK, but I somehow got something misaligned around the clutch thrust
bearing. The pedal acted like you're describing, but it was also
vibrating slightly. When I took it apart again, it turned out that
something had made severe grinding marks on the bearing. I ended up
replacing it. Just a thought..

-Kris
http://plan9.dns2go.com/jeeps


travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ho9rov0l7c072ro4i6gagaejsdv4c1bfh2@4ax.com:

> How about that clutch pedal feel I mentioned? Does it sound to y'all
> like it is probably as simple as an adjustment needed?
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:32:46 -0400, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>
>>Sounds sweet.
>>
>>I don't know the pricing in your area, but around here that is a
>>decent one.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>

Kris

Is the pedal vibrating? When I split the gearbox from the engine on my
81 CJ, I had problems putting it back together. Things were apparently
OK, but I somehow got something misaligned around the clutch thrust
bearing. The pedal acted like you're describing, but it was also
vibrating slightly. When I took it apart again, it turned out that
something had made severe grinding marks on the bearing. I ended up
replacing it. Just a thought..

-Kris
http://plan9.dns2go.com/jeeps


travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ho9rov0l7c072ro4i6gagaejsdv4c1bfh2@4ax.com:

> How about that clutch pedal feel I mentioned? Does it sound to y'all
> like it is probably as simple as an adjustment needed?
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:32:46 -0400, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>
>>Sounds sweet.
>>
>>I don't know the pricing in your area, but around here that is a
>>decent one.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>

Kris

Is the pedal vibrating? When I split the gearbox from the engine on my
81 CJ, I had problems putting it back together. Things were apparently
OK, but I somehow got something misaligned around the clutch thrust
bearing. The pedal acted like you're describing, but it was also
vibrating slightly. When I took it apart again, it turned out that
something had made severe grinding marks on the bearing. I ended up
replacing it. Just a thought..

-Kris
http://plan9.dns2go.com/jeeps


travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ho9rov0l7c072ro4i6gagaejsdv4c1bfh2@4ax.com:

> How about that clutch pedal feel I mentioned? Does it sound to y'all
> like it is probably as simple as an adjustment needed?
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:32:46 -0400, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>
>>Sounds sweet.
>>
>>I don't know the pricing in your area, but around here that is a
>>decent one.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>

travis

On 15 Oct 2003 22:20:43 +0200, Kris <bognaes@hotmail.com> shared the
following:

>Is the pedal vibrating? When I split the gearbox from the engine on my
>81 CJ, I had problems putting it back together. Things were apparently
>OK, but I somehow got something misaligned around the clutch thrust
>bearing. The pedal acted like you're describing, but it was also
>vibrating slightly. When I took it apart again, it turned out that
>something had made severe grinding marks on the bearing. I ended up
>replacing it. Just a thought..
>
>-Kris
>http://plan9.dns2go.com/jeeps
>

Hey Kris. It wasn't vibrating that I noticed, but there was a lot of
new sensory input happening at once at that time. I hope it's nothing
like that.

>
>travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:ho9rov0l7c072ro4i6gagaejsdv4c1bfh2@4ax.com :
>
>> How about that clutch pedal feel I mentioned? Does it sound to y'all
>> like it is probably as simple as an adjustment needed?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:32:46 -0400, Mike Romain
>> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>>
>>>Sounds sweet.
>>>
>>>I don't know the pricing in your area, but around here that is a
>>>decent one.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On 15 Oct 2003 22:20:43 +0200, Kris <bognaes@hotmail.com> shared the
following:

>Is the pedal vibrating? When I split the gearbox from the engine on my
>81 CJ, I had problems putting it back together. Things were apparently
>OK, but I somehow got something misaligned around the clutch thrust
>bearing. The pedal acted like you're describing, but it was also
>vibrating slightly. When I took it apart again, it turned out that
>something had made severe grinding marks on the bearing. I ended up
>replacing it. Just a thought..
>
>-Kris
>http://plan9.dns2go.com/jeeps
>

Hey Kris. It wasn't vibrating that I noticed, but there was a lot of
new sensory input happening at once at that time. I hope it's nothing
like that.

>
>travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:ho9rov0l7c072ro4i6gagaejsdv4c1bfh2@4ax.com :
>
>> How about that clutch pedal feel I mentioned? Does it sound to y'all
>> like it is probably as simple as an adjustment needed?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:32:46 -0400, Mike Romain
>> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>>
>>>Sounds sweet.
>>>
>>>I don't know the pricing in your area, but around here that is a
>>>decent one.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On 15 Oct 2003 22:20:43 +0200, Kris <bognaes@hotmail.com> shared the
following:

>Is the pedal vibrating? When I split the gearbox from the engine on my
>81 CJ, I had problems putting it back together. Things were apparently
>OK, but I somehow got something misaligned around the clutch thrust
>bearing. The pedal acted like you're describing, but it was also
>vibrating slightly. When I took it apart again, it turned out that
>something had made severe grinding marks on the bearing. I ended up
>replacing it. Just a thought..
>
>-Kris
>http://plan9.dns2go.com/jeeps
>

Hey Kris. It wasn't vibrating that I noticed, but there was a lot of
new sensory input happening at once at that time. I hope it's nothing
like that.

>
>travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:ho9rov0l7c072ro4i6gagaejsdv4c1bfh2@4ax.com :
>
>> How about that clutch pedal feel I mentioned? Does it sound to y'all
>> like it is probably as simple as an adjustment needed?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:32:46 -0400, Mike Romain
>> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>>
>>>Sounds sweet.
>>>
>>>I don't know the pricing in your area, but around here that is a
>>>decent one.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

Jeff Strickland

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1e3rov4es17h52cumsvlevdk31s5u67ghs@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:07:50 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
> <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> shared the following:
>
> >kick *** travis...good luck!
>
> I made him an offer! I went out to check it out. '78 CJ-7 with 304
> and 3-speed. It looked pretty good. Not perfect but I wasn't
> expecting it to be. Just little things like broken glass on the
> speedo, a missing ****, some rust on the tailgate that was mostly
> covered by the spare but the rest of the body was solid except for a
> tiny crack on the driver's side at the bottom where the door opening
> is. The floorboards had been patched. Other than that just minor
> surface rust in a couple of spots and a few tiny dings here and there.
> The oil looked good, not brand new but not black. It started right
> up. Two pumps of the gas pedal, turn the key and VROOM! Headers and
> glasspacks right now. Sounds pretty wicked. Minor header gasket leak
> on driver's side that's minor enough that I didn't even notice it
> until I opened the hood. No visible cracks in the frame. I crawled
> around underneath it and it looked good. No leaks that I could see.
> Looks like some kind of aftermarket helper-coil-springs are in the
> back to cure sag or give it a inch or so of lift? He let me test
> drive it... The one thing that makes me a little nervous is the
> clutch. He tells me a guy just put in a new clutch (and that the
> tranny was also just rebuilt by another dude) but that he thinks the
> clutch is not adjusted right. That's what it felt like to me, too.
> If you push the clutch about 75% of the way to the floor then the
> tranny shifts just fine, no grinding, no sticking. Just shifts
> perfect. If you try to fully depress the clutch pedal then it feels
> like the clutch cable is too short and that it just runs out of travel
> and then you start to hear a faint grinding-like sound.

The linkage is all rods and levers and springs, there is no cable.





I had a VERY
> similar problem with my old VW where the clutch cable just wasn't
> adjusted correctly and after adjusting it everything was ok. Does
> that sound to you guys like what the deal is here probably? Are these
> clutches easy to adjust? I wonder if there's supposed to be a "clutch
> stop" behind the clutch pedal and it's missing? Hmm...

No clutch stopper behind my clutch pedal. I have an '81, which should be
identical to the '78 that you found.





Anyway, he
> wants $3,800 for it and I offered $3,200. It's his friend's Jeep so
> he's gonna call his friend tonight at 6pm and let him know my offer
> and then call me back to let me know what he says. What do y'all
> think? I mean about the clutch? It felt nice and smooth like I said
> as long as I didn't fully depress it, and when I released the clutch
> it engaged just fine. No slipping or anything like that. Oh yeah, I
> also tested the 4WD and 4WD low by burning out (with the guy's
> permission) in his back yard to be sure I could see chunks of lawn fly
> off of all 4 wheels.

Real Jeeps do not "burn out". You really need to get that out of your
system. Your CJ is a top heavy, narrow and short vehicle. This means it is
very unstable. It will not tolerate being driven like a Porsche or a
Mustang.



Seemed to work great. A little "clunky" like a
> vague feeling shifting between 4WD high/low and 2WD but I suspect
> that's probably kinda normal. So what's up? I'm psyched!!! Should I
> not answer my phone tonight and run away from this one or does it
> sound like it might be worth the $$$ to y'all? Thanks for your input!
>

It sounds like a keeper.

Jeff Strickland

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1e3rov4es17h52cumsvlevdk31s5u67ghs@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:07:50 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
> <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> shared the following:
>
> >kick *** travis...good luck!
>
> I made him an offer! I went out to check it out. '78 CJ-7 with 304
> and 3-speed. It looked pretty good. Not perfect but I wasn't
> expecting it to be. Just little things like broken glass on the
> speedo, a missing ****, some rust on the tailgate that was mostly
> covered by the spare but the rest of the body was solid except for a
> tiny crack on the driver's side at the bottom where the door opening
> is. The floorboards had been patched. Other than that just minor
> surface rust in a couple of spots and a few tiny dings here and there.
> The oil looked good, not brand new but not black. It started right
> up. Two pumps of the gas pedal, turn the key and VROOM! Headers and
> glasspacks right now. Sounds pretty wicked. Minor header gasket leak
> on driver's side that's minor enough that I didn't even notice it
> until I opened the hood. No visible cracks in the frame. I crawled
> around underneath it and it looked good. No leaks that I could see.
> Looks like some kind of aftermarket helper-coil-springs are in the
> back to cure sag or give it a inch or so of lift? He let me test
> drive it... The one thing that makes me a little nervous is the
> clutch. He tells me a guy just put in a new clutch (and that the
> tranny was also just rebuilt by another dude) but that he thinks the
> clutch is not adjusted right. That's what it felt like to me, too.
> If you push the clutch about 75% of the way to the floor then the
> tranny shifts just fine, no grinding, no sticking. Just shifts
> perfect. If you try to fully depress the clutch pedal then it feels
> like the clutch cable is too short and that it just runs out of travel
> and then you start to hear a faint grinding-like sound.

The linkage is all rods and levers and springs, there is no cable.





I had a VERY
> similar problem with my old VW where the clutch cable just wasn't
> adjusted correctly and after adjusting it everything was ok. Does
> that sound to you guys like what the deal is here probably? Are these
> clutches easy to adjust? I wonder if there's supposed to be a "clutch
> stop" behind the clutch pedal and it's missing? Hmm...

No clutch stopper behind my clutch pedal. I have an '81, which should be
identical to the '78 that you found.





Anyway, he
> wants $3,800 for it and I offered $3,200. It's his friend's Jeep so
> he's gonna call his friend tonight at 6pm and let him know my offer
> and then call me back to let me know what he says. What do y'all
> think? I mean about the clutch? It felt nice and smooth like I said
> as long as I didn't fully depress it, and when I released the clutch
> it engaged just fine. No slipping or anything like that. Oh yeah, I
> also tested the 4WD and 4WD low by burning out (with the guy's
> permission) in his back yard to be sure I could see chunks of lawn fly
> off of all 4 wheels.

Real Jeeps do not "burn out". You really need to get that out of your
system. Your CJ is a top heavy, narrow and short vehicle. This means it is
very unstable. It will not tolerate being driven like a Porsche or a
Mustang.



Seemed to work great. A little "clunky" like a
> vague feeling shifting between 4WD high/low and 2WD but I suspect
> that's probably kinda normal. So what's up? I'm psyched!!! Should I
> not answer my phone tonight and run away from this one or does it
> sound like it might be worth the $$$ to y'all? Thanks for your input!
>

It sounds like a keeper.

Jeff Strickland

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1e3rov4es17h52cumsvlevdk31s5u67ghs@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:07:50 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
> <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> shared the following:
>
> >kick *** travis...good luck!
>
> I made him an offer! I went out to check it out. '78 CJ-7 with 304
> and 3-speed. It looked pretty good. Not perfect but I wasn't
> expecting it to be. Just little things like broken glass on the
> speedo, a missing ****, some rust on the tailgate that was mostly
> covered by the spare but the rest of the body was solid except for a
> tiny crack on the driver's side at the bottom where the door opening
> is. The floorboards had been patched. Other than that just minor
> surface rust in a couple of spots and a few tiny dings here and there.
> The oil looked good, not brand new but not black. It started right
> up. Two pumps of the gas pedal, turn the key and VROOM! Headers and
> glasspacks right now. Sounds pretty wicked. Minor header gasket leak
> on driver's side that's minor enough that I didn't even notice it
> until I opened the hood. No visible cracks in the frame. I crawled
> around underneath it and it looked good. No leaks that I could see.
> Looks like some kind of aftermarket helper-coil-springs are in the
> back to cure sag or give it a inch or so of lift? He let me test
> drive it... The one thing that makes me a little nervous is the
> clutch. He tells me a guy just put in a new clutch (and that the
> tranny was also just rebuilt by another dude) but that he thinks the
> clutch is not adjusted right. That's what it felt like to me, too.
> If you push the clutch about 75% of the way to the floor then the
> tranny shifts just fine, no grinding, no sticking. Just shifts
> perfect. If you try to fully depress the clutch pedal then it feels
> like the clutch cable is too short and that it just runs out of travel
> and then you start to hear a faint grinding-like sound.

The linkage is all rods and levers and springs, there is no cable.





I had a VERY
> similar problem with my old VW where the clutch cable just wasn't
> adjusted correctly and after adjusting it everything was ok. Does
> that sound to you guys like what the deal is here probably? Are these
> clutches easy to adjust? I wonder if there's supposed to be a "clutch
> stop" behind the clutch pedal and it's missing? Hmm...

No clutch stopper behind my clutch pedal. I have an '81, which should be
identical to the '78 that you found.





Anyway, he
> wants $3,800 for it and I offered $3,200. It's his friend's Jeep so
> he's gonna call his friend tonight at 6pm and let him know my offer
> and then call me back to let me know what he says. What do y'all
> think? I mean about the clutch? It felt nice and smooth like I said
> as long as I didn't fully depress it, and when I released the clutch
> it engaged just fine. No slipping or anything like that. Oh yeah, I
> also tested the 4WD and 4WD low by burning out (with the guy's
> permission) in his back yard to be sure I could see chunks of lawn fly
> off of all 4 wheels.

Real Jeeps do not "burn out". You really need to get that out of your
system. Your CJ is a top heavy, narrow and short vehicle. This means it is
very unstable. It will not tolerate being driven like a Porsche or a
Mustang.



Seemed to work great. A little "clunky" like a
> vague feeling shifting between 4WD high/low and 2WD but I suspect
> that's probably kinda normal. So what's up? I'm psyched!!! Should I
> not answer my phone tonight and run away from this one or does it
> sound like it might be worth the $$$ to y'all? Thanks for your input!
>

It sounds like a keeper.

Jeff Strickland

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ho9rov0l7c072ro4i6gagaejsdv4c1bfh2@4ax.com...
> How about that clutch pedal feel I mentioned? Does it sound to y'all
> like it is probably as simple as an adjustment needed?
>
>
The adjustment method is pretty straight forward, but it really just adjusts
where the pedal is when the plates begin to engage. If they engage very
close to the top or the bottom, then the adjustment can get it back to the
middle. The place where the clutch should begin to engage is about 2 or 3
inches from the floor/firewall.