Re: Winter Grill Inserts?
 

> I know what you mean. Our 88 is really slow to warm up too. My CJ7
> heats up the inside faster....

You think you got it bad, I live in Alaska. Last week it got down to
negative 40 and that damn thing never got warm. On the positive side my
Cherokee is far tougher than most cars, it starts unassited at very low
temps (and when I say low I mean LOW)

> One thing I found was to let it warm up in the driveway before starting
> out.

That's a given in AK

> On the highway or running hard or in a fast outside temperature swing,
> the engine can overheat.

Given where I live I dont think overheating is really a concern. I would
only use the grill inserts until spring and then remove 'em.

Re: Winter Grill Inserts?
 

> I know what you mean. Our 88 is really slow to warm up too. My CJ7
> heats up the inside faster....

You think you got it bad, I live in Alaska. Last week it got down to
negative 40 and that damn thing never got warm. On the positive side my
Cherokee is far tougher than most cars, it starts unassited at very low
temps (and when I say low I mean LOW)

> One thing I found was to let it warm up in the driveway before starting
> out.

That's a given in AK

> On the highway or running hard or in a fast outside temperature swing,
> the engine can overheat.

Given where I live I dont think overheating is really a concern. I would
only use the grill inserts until spring and then remove 'em.

Re: Winter Grill Inserts?
 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote ...
> >
> > > I used to cut an appropriate sized piece of cardboard and stuff it
> > between
> > > the grill and the radiator.
> >
> Cardboard can be dangerous.....

I'm sure someone could find a way to make it so but it was never a problem
for me and anyone I knoew that did it.

> On the highway or running hard or in a fast outside temperature swing,
> the engine can overheat. It is really not good to have the same rad
> blockage on the highway as the city and getting out to try and dig that
> piece of cardboard out in the freezing cold, well....

Keeping an eye on your gauges should keep you from overheating the engine.
Never was an issue for the 8-10 years I did it.

> I have seen more than a few engines with baked valve guide seals because
> of that, including a couple of mine the previous owners had baked.
> (knew the owners) You know, that nice blue puff on first startup...

Blue is oil. Black is fuel. White is water.

-Jeff

Re: Winter Grill Inserts?
 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote ...
> >
> > > I used to cut an appropriate sized piece of cardboard and stuff it
> > between
> > > the grill and the radiator.
> >
> Cardboard can be dangerous.....

I'm sure someone could find a way to make it so but it was never a problem
for me and anyone I knoew that did it.

> On the highway or running hard or in a fast outside temperature swing,
> the engine can overheat. It is really not good to have the same rad
> blockage on the highway as the city and getting out to try and dig that
> piece of cardboard out in the freezing cold, well....

Keeping an eye on your gauges should keep you from overheating the engine.
Never was an issue for the 8-10 years I did it.

> I have seen more than a few engines with baked valve guide seals because
> of that, including a couple of mine the previous owners had baked.
> (knew the owners) You know, that nice blue puff on first startup...

Blue is oil. Black is fuel. White is water.

-Jeff

Re: Winter Grill Inserts?
 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote ...
> >
> > > I used to cut an appropriate sized piece of cardboard and stuff it
> > between
> > > the grill and the radiator.
> >
> Cardboard can be dangerous.....

I'm sure someone could find a way to make it so but it was never a problem
for me and anyone I knoew that did it.

> On the highway or running hard or in a fast outside temperature swing,
> the engine can overheat. It is really not good to have the same rad
> blockage on the highway as the city and getting out to try and dig that
> piece of cardboard out in the freezing cold, well....

Keeping an eye on your gauges should keep you from overheating the engine.
Never was an issue for the 8-10 years I did it.

> I have seen more than a few engines with baked valve guide seals because
> of that, including a couple of mine the previous owners had baked.
> (knew the owners) You know, that nice blue puff on first startup...

Blue is oil. Black is fuel. White is water.

-Jeff

Re: Winter Grill Inserts?
 

I hear you, I lived in the Canadian Rockies for 8 years or so. Nothing
like a snow storm on Labor Day weekend and having that snow stay for the
winter...

I saw way too many -30 Halloweens...

Mike

Kyonn Gowans wrote:
>
> > I know what you mean. Our 88 is really slow to warm up too. My CJ7
> > heats up the inside faster....
>
> You think you got it bad, I live in Alaska. Last week it got down to
> negative 40 and that damn thing never got warm. On the positive side my
> Cherokee is far tougher than most cars, it starts unassited at very low
> temps (and when I say low I mean LOW)
>
> > One thing I found was to let it warm up in the driveway before starting
> > out.
>
> That's a given in AK
>
> > On the highway or running hard or in a fast outside temperature swing,
> > the engine can overheat.
>
> Given where I live I dont think overheating is really a concern. I would
> only use the grill inserts until spring and then remove 'em.

Re: Winter Grill Inserts?
 

I hear you, I lived in the Canadian Rockies for 8 years or so. Nothing
like a snow storm on Labor Day weekend and having that snow stay for the
winter...

I saw way too many -30 Halloweens...

Mike

Kyonn Gowans wrote:
>
> > I know what you mean. Our 88 is really slow to warm up too. My CJ7
> > heats up the inside faster....
>
> You think you got it bad, I live in Alaska. Last week it got down to
> negative 40 and that damn thing never got warm. On the positive side my
> Cherokee is far tougher than most cars, it starts unassited at very low
> temps (and when I say low I mean LOW)
>
> > One thing I found was to let it warm up in the driveway before starting
> > out.
>
> That's a given in AK
>
> > On the highway or running hard or in a fast outside temperature swing,
> > the engine can overheat.
>
> Given where I live I dont think overheating is really a concern. I would
> only use the grill inserts until spring and then remove 'em.

Re: Winter Grill Inserts?
 

I hear you, I lived in the Canadian Rockies for 8 years or so. Nothing
like a snow storm on Labor Day weekend and having that snow stay for the
winter...

I saw way too many -30 Halloweens...

Mike

Kyonn Gowans wrote:
>
> > I know what you mean. Our 88 is really slow to warm up too. My CJ7
> > heats up the inside faster....
>
> You think you got it bad, I live in Alaska. Last week it got down to
> negative 40 and that damn thing never got warm. On the positive side my
> Cherokee is far tougher than most cars, it starts unassited at very low
> temps (and when I say low I mean LOW)
>
> > One thing I found was to let it warm up in the driveway before starting
> > out.
>
> That's a given in AK
>
> > On the highway or running hard or in a fast outside temperature swing,
> > the engine can overheat.
>
> Given where I live I dont think overheating is really a concern. I would
> only use the grill inserts until spring and then remove 'em.

Re: Winter Grill Inserts?
 

-jc wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote ...
> > >
> > > > I used to cut an appropriate sized piece of cardboard and stuff it
> > > between
> > > > the grill and the radiator.
> > >
> > Cardboard can be dangerous.....
>
> I'm sure someone could find a way to make it so but it was never a problem
> for me and anyone I knoew that did it.
>
> > On the highway or running hard or in a fast outside temperature swing,
> > the engine can overheat. It is really not good to have the same rad
> > blockage on the highway as the city and getting out to try and dig that
> > piece of cardboard out in the freezing cold, well....
>
> Keeping an eye on your gauges should keep you from overheating the engine.
> Never was an issue for the 8-10 years I did it.

These vehicles had idiot lights that only flag a boil over. One GMC 350
blew the top rad hose 10 seconds after the damn light came on when I
went from -25C to 0C in an hour's time on the highway. (older hose, but
still...)

I have also done trips where it went from +2C pissing rain to -30C
blizzard in a 20 minute stretch.

>
> > I have seen more than a few engines with baked valve guide seals because
> > of that, including a couple of mine the previous owners had baked.
> > (knew the owners) You know, that nice blue puff on first startup...
>
> Blue is oil. Black is fuel. White is water.

Yup, blue as I said, heat baked valve guide seals. Change the seals,
and no more oil burning or blue clouds in the morning.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Winter Grill Inserts?
 

-jc wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote ...
> > >
> > > > I used to cut an appropriate sized piece of cardboard and stuff it
> > > between
> > > > the grill and the radiator.
> > >
> > Cardboard can be dangerous.....
>
> I'm sure someone could find a way to make it so but it was never a problem
> for me and anyone I knoew that did it.
>
> > On the highway or running hard or in a fast outside temperature swing,
> > the engine can overheat. It is really not good to have the same rad
> > blockage on the highway as the city and getting out to try and dig that
> > piece of cardboard out in the freezing cold, well....
>
> Keeping an eye on your gauges should keep you from overheating the engine.
> Never was an issue for the 8-10 years I did it.

These vehicles had idiot lights that only flag a boil over. One GMC 350
blew the top rad hose 10 seconds after the damn light came on when I
went from -25C to 0C in an hour's time on the highway. (older hose, but
still...)

I have also done trips where it went from +2C pissing rain to -30C
blizzard in a 20 minute stretch.

>
> > I have seen more than a few engines with baked valve guide seals because
> > of that, including a couple of mine the previous owners had baked.
> > (knew the owners) You know, that nice blue puff on first startup...
>
> Blue is oil. Black is fuel. White is water.

Yup, blue as I said, heat baked valve guide seals. Change the seals,
and no more oil burning or blue clouds in the morning.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's