Re: Winter Fun
 

I learned how to drive in this stuff. The worst surface I ever drove on was
ice with rain water on top of it. The only way to make progress was to put
one wheel on the crunchy stuff at the edge of the road and two women on the
hood (front wheel drive car). The second worse experience is when the snow
is blowing so hard that you can't see the road surface. Then you have to
drive ten feet or so, stop, and make sure you are still on the road.

You are not going to take a course, and then be able to handle winter
driving "like a native". You need practice to get it right. You could try
a few tricks like slowing down though. Lots of people don't know how
helpful that is. The Denver Police practice on frozen Georgetown Lake. It
is fun to watch. Knowing to turn into the skid helps.

Most states you don't need chains (legally that is) if you have four wheel
drive and snow tires. Many times chain advisories only apply to "commercial
vehicles".

Earle

"Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote in message
news:vbudnbMnaN9Z9TDYnZ2dnUVZ_qisnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
> jerk.
>
> I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to
> learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though.
>
> I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the
roads
> are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for
> 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This
was
> the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the
same
> area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared
most
> folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs
had
> chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had
> studded tires.
> My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the
> ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were
> slipping around @ 10-30 MPH.
>
> So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google
> winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I
> could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned.
>
> Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found?
>
> Thanks,
> doug
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Brett Ryan proclaimed:
> >
> >> Question,
> >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own
> >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions
like
> >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these
> >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they
> >> can drive, but really can't, get into.
> >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy
road,
> >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to
> >> find out that it does not make a difference.
> >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have
arrived
> >> in Texas.
> >
> > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question:
> >
> > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and
> > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's.
> >
>
>

Re: Winter Fun
 

I learned how to drive in this stuff. The worst surface I ever drove on was
ice with rain water on top of it. The only way to make progress was to put
one wheel on the crunchy stuff at the edge of the road and two women on the
hood (front wheel drive car). The second worse experience is when the snow
is blowing so hard that you can't see the road surface. Then you have to
drive ten feet or so, stop, and make sure you are still on the road.

You are not going to take a course, and then be able to handle winter
driving "like a native". You need practice to get it right. You could try
a few tricks like slowing down though. Lots of people don't know how
helpful that is. The Denver Police practice on frozen Georgetown Lake. It
is fun to watch. Knowing to turn into the skid helps.

Most states you don't need chains (legally that is) if you have four wheel
drive and snow tires. Many times chain advisories only apply to "commercial
vehicles".

Earle

"Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote in message
news:vbudnbMnaN9Z9TDYnZ2dnUVZ_qisnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
> jerk.
>
> I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to
> learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though.
>
> I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the
roads
> are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for
> 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This
was
> the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the
same
> area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared
most
> folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs
had
> chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had
> studded tires.
> My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the
> ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were
> slipping around @ 10-30 MPH.
>
> So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google
> winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I
> could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned.
>
> Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found?
>
> Thanks,
> doug
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Brett Ryan proclaimed:
> >
> >> Question,
> >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own
> >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions
like
> >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these
> >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they
> >> can drive, but really can't, get into.
> >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy
road,
> >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to
> >> find out that it does not make a difference.
> >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have
arrived
> >> in Texas.
> >
> > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question:
> >
> > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and
> > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's.
> >
>
>

Re: Winter Fun
 

I learned how to drive in this stuff. The worst surface I ever drove on was
ice with rain water on top of it. The only way to make progress was to put
one wheel on the crunchy stuff at the edge of the road and two women on the
hood (front wheel drive car). The second worse experience is when the snow
is blowing so hard that you can't see the road surface. Then you have to
drive ten feet or so, stop, and make sure you are still on the road.

You are not going to take a course, and then be able to handle winter
driving "like a native". You need practice to get it right. You could try
a few tricks like slowing down though. Lots of people don't know how
helpful that is. The Denver Police practice on frozen Georgetown Lake. It
is fun to watch. Knowing to turn into the skid helps.

Most states you don't need chains (legally that is) if you have four wheel
drive and snow tires. Many times chain advisories only apply to "commercial
vehicles".

Earle

"Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote in message
news:vbudnbMnaN9Z9TDYnZ2dnUVZ_qisnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
> jerk.
>
> I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to
> learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though.
>
> I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the
roads
> are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for
> 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This
was
> the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the
same
> area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared
most
> folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs
had
> chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had
> studded tires.
> My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the
> ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were
> slipping around @ 10-30 MPH.
>
> So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google
> winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I
> could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned.
>
> Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found?
>
> Thanks,
> doug
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Brett Ryan proclaimed:
> >
> >> Question,
> >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own
> >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions
like
> >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these
> >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they
> >> can drive, but really can't, get into.
> >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy
road,
> >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to
> >> find out that it does not make a difference.
> >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have
arrived
> >> in Texas.
> >
> > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question:
> >
> > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and
> > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's.
> >
>
>

Re: Winter Fun
 

There 'should' be driving schools all over for new 4x4 drivers!

I have wheeled with the Land Rover Factory Team when they were taking
new Disco owners out to show them what they could do. Jeep sort of has
a Jeep 101 here and there.

I used to take out groups come first snow to a local 4x4 sand pit area,
but it became a problem over rights and garbage and tress pass. Haven't
been back in a while, but last I heard from the local township and the
land owners our 'RAMJ+W' newsgroup members, rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
folks are welcome due to us helping big time in a local clean up.

I got smucked up in a car accident as a passenger three years back so my
off roading days kinda stopped unfortunately or I would be heading out
this weekend, we just got our first snow. 2 cm or so and 700 accidents
reported in this city alone.

I wrote a few suggestions in another part of this thread.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Doug wrote:
> OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
> jerk.
>
> I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to
> learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though.
>
> I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads
> are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for
> 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was
> the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same
> area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most
> folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had
> chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had
> studded tires.
> My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the
> ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were
> slipping around @ 10-30 MPH.
>
> So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google
> winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I
> could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned.
>
> Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found?
>
> Thanks,
> doug
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Brett Ryan proclaimed:
>>
>>> Question,
>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own
>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like
>>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these
>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they
>>> can drive, but really can't, get into.
>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road,
>>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to
>>> find out that it does not make a difference.
>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived
>>> in Texas.
>> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question:
>>
>> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and
>> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's.
>>
>
>

Re: Winter Fun
 

There 'should' be driving schools all over for new 4x4 drivers!

I have wheeled with the Land Rover Factory Team when they were taking
new Disco owners out to show them what they could do. Jeep sort of has
a Jeep 101 here and there.

I used to take out groups come first snow to a local 4x4 sand pit area,
but it became a problem over rights and garbage and tress pass. Haven't
been back in a while, but last I heard from the local township and the
land owners our 'RAMJ+W' newsgroup members, rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
folks are welcome due to us helping big time in a local clean up.

I got smucked up in a car accident as a passenger three years back so my
off roading days kinda stopped unfortunately or I would be heading out
this weekend, we just got our first snow. 2 cm or so and 700 accidents
reported in this city alone.

I wrote a few suggestions in another part of this thread.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Doug wrote:
> OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
> jerk.
>
> I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to
> learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though.
>
> I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads
> are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for
> 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was
> the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same
> area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most
> folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had
> chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had
> studded tires.
> My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the
> ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were
> slipping around @ 10-30 MPH.
>
> So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google
> winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I
> could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned.
>
> Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found?
>
> Thanks,
> doug
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Brett Ryan proclaimed:
>>
>>> Question,
>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own
>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like
>>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these
>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they
>>> can drive, but really can't, get into.
>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road,
>>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to
>>> find out that it does not make a difference.
>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived
>>> in Texas.
>> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question:
>>
>> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and
>> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's.
>>
>
>

Re: Winter Fun
 

There 'should' be driving schools all over for new 4x4 drivers!

I have wheeled with the Land Rover Factory Team when they were taking
new Disco owners out to show them what they could do. Jeep sort of has
a Jeep 101 here and there.

I used to take out groups come first snow to a local 4x4 sand pit area,
but it became a problem over rights and garbage and tress pass. Haven't
been back in a while, but last I heard from the local township and the
land owners our 'RAMJ+W' newsgroup members, rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
folks are welcome due to us helping big time in a local clean up.

I got smucked up in a car accident as a passenger three years back so my
off roading days kinda stopped unfortunately or I would be heading out
this weekend, we just got our first snow. 2 cm or so and 700 accidents
reported in this city alone.

I wrote a few suggestions in another part of this thread.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Doug wrote:
> OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
> jerk.
>
> I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to
> learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though.
>
> I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads
> are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for
> 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was
> the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same
> area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most
> folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had
> chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had
> studded tires.
> My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the
> ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were
> slipping around @ 10-30 MPH.
>
> So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google
> winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I
> could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned.
>
> Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found?
>
> Thanks,
> doug
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Brett Ryan proclaimed:
>>
>>> Question,
>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own
>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like
>>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these
>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they
>>> can drive, but really can't, get into.
>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road,
>>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to
>>> find out that it does not make a difference.
>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived
>>> in Texas.
>> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question:
>>
>> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and
>> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's.
>>
>
>

Re: Winter Fun
 

There 'should' be driving schools all over for new 4x4 drivers!

I have wheeled with the Land Rover Factory Team when they were taking
new Disco owners out to show them what they could do. Jeep sort of has
a Jeep 101 here and there.

I used to take out groups come first snow to a local 4x4 sand pit area,
but it became a problem over rights and garbage and tress pass. Haven't
been back in a while, but last I heard from the local township and the
land owners our 'RAMJ+W' newsgroup members, rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
folks are welcome due to us helping big time in a local clean up.

I got smucked up in a car accident as a passenger three years back so my
off roading days kinda stopped unfortunately or I would be heading out
this weekend, we just got our first snow. 2 cm or so and 700 accidents
reported in this city alone.

I wrote a few suggestions in another part of this thread.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Doug wrote:
> OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
> jerk.
>
> I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to
> learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though.
>
> I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads
> are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for
> 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was
> the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same
> area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most
> folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had
> chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had
> studded tires.
> My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the
> ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were
> slipping around @ 10-30 MPH.
>
> So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google
> winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I
> could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned.
>
> Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found?
>
> Thanks,
> doug
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Brett Ryan proclaimed:
>>
>>> Question,
>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own
>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like
>>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these
>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they
>>> can drive, but really can't, get into.
>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road,
>>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to
>>> find out that it does not make a difference.
>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived
>>> in Texas.
>> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question:
>>
>> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and
>> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's.
>>
>
>

Re: Winter Fun
 

Its hard. And knowing how to drive in certian types of snow doesnt prepare you for
other types very well. This dry powder that we have now is nothing like the heavy
wet ice-snow that we normally get. Totally a new experiance for me. I drove my car
today (not the Jeep), turns out it wasnt a problem after all, those particular tires
stick really well in this powdery stuff. As opposed the the Jeep tires that just dig
and dig and dig - straight down and not fowards. lol. I actuallly might have had
more issues getting home if I had taken the Jeep - not that that will stop me from
driving it tomorrow. =)
-jenn





On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:07:26 -0800, "Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote:

>>OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
>>jerk.
>>
>>I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to
>>learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though.
>>
>>I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads
>>are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for
>>2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was
>>the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same
>>area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most
>>folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had
>>chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had
>>studded tires.
>>My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the
>>ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were
>>slipping around @ 10-30 MPH.
>>
>>So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google
>>winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I
>>could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned.
>>
>>Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>doug
>>
>>
>>"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.co m...
>>> Brett Ryan proclaimed:
>>>
>>>> Question,
>>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own
>>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like
>>>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these
>>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they
>>>> can drive, but really can't, get into.
>>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road,
>>>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to
>>>> find out that it does not make a difference.
>>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived
>>>> in Texas.
>>>
>>> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question:
>>>
>>> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and
>>> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's.
>>>
>>

Re: Winter Fun
 

Its hard. And knowing how to drive in certian types of snow doesnt prepare you for
other types very well. This dry powder that we have now is nothing like the heavy
wet ice-snow that we normally get. Totally a new experiance for me. I drove my car
today (not the Jeep), turns out it wasnt a problem after all, those particular tires
stick really well in this powdery stuff. As opposed the the Jeep tires that just dig
and dig and dig - straight down and not fowards. lol. I actuallly might have had
more issues getting home if I had taken the Jeep - not that that will stop me from
driving it tomorrow. =)
-jenn





On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:07:26 -0800, "Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote:

>>OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
>>jerk.
>>
>>I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to
>>learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though.
>>
>>I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads
>>are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for
>>2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was
>>the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same
>>area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most
>>folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had
>>chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had
>>studded tires.
>>My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the
>>ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were
>>slipping around @ 10-30 MPH.
>>
>>So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google
>>winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I
>>could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned.
>>
>>Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>doug
>>
>>
>>"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.co m...
>>> Brett Ryan proclaimed:
>>>
>>>> Question,
>>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own
>>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like
>>>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these
>>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they
>>>> can drive, but really can't, get into.
>>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road,
>>>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to
>>>> find out that it does not make a difference.
>>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived
>>>> in Texas.
>>>
>>> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question:
>>>
>>> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and
>>> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's.
>>>
>>

Re: Winter Fun
 

Its hard. And knowing how to drive in certian types of snow doesnt prepare you for
other types very well. This dry powder that we have now is nothing like the heavy
wet ice-snow that we normally get. Totally a new experiance for me. I drove my car
today (not the Jeep), turns out it wasnt a problem after all, those particular tires
stick really well in this powdery stuff. As opposed the the Jeep tires that just dig
and dig and dig - straight down and not fowards. lol. I actuallly might have had
more issues getting home if I had taken the Jeep - not that that will stop me from
driving it tomorrow. =)
-jenn





On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:07:26 -0800, "Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote:

>>OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
>>jerk.
>>
>>I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to
>>learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though.
>>
>>I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads
>>are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for
>>2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was
>>the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same
>>area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most
>>folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had
>>chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had
>>studded tires.
>>My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the
>>ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were
>>slipping around @ 10-30 MPH.
>>
>>So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google
>>winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I
>>could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned.
>>
>>Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>doug
>>
>>
>>"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.co m...
>>> Brett Ryan proclaimed:
>>>
>>>> Question,
>>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own
>>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like
>>>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these
>>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they
>>>> can drive, but really can't, get into.
>>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road,
>>>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to
>>>> find out that it does not make a difference.
>>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived
>>>> in Texas.
>>>
>>> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question:
>>>
>>> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and
>>> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's.
>>>
>>