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if I'm not mistaken Amsteel rope has some sort of heat shield on the first
so many feet...
rope is so nice to use but I was told to be careful when winching in over
rock, it can damage the rope...
a lot of the guys in our club use it as will I next time I need to change.

Jeff


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43CCF8E5.B5CDDBF3@sympatico.ca...
> Isn't there an overheating issue with some winches using that rope?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>> I'm on my 4th rope and after three wire ropes, I went with 100' of 3/8"
>> of the Amsteel synthetic rope at
>> http://www.4x4rockshop.com/Scripts/p...idproduct=9982 which is
>> about the best deal I have seen.
>>
>> Safer, won't fly back and kill/maim someone if something breaks, and the
>> 3/8" synthetic has a 19.6K lb. breaking strength. It's a good rope,
>> required in sanctioned rock crawling events and I highly recommend
>> synthetic rope.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> jbjeep wrote:
>> > Any body running winch rope?
>> > What brand do you have?
>> > What length and size do you run?
>> > What are the pro's and con's of rope?
>> > What do you like and dislike about what you have?
>> >
>> > All pertinent comments appreciated. I need to order some this week - I
>> > busted my
>> > cable some.
>> >
>> > -jenn
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

4X4PLAY

if I'm not mistaken Amsteel rope has some sort of heat shield on the first
so many feet...
rope is so nice to use but I was told to be careful when winching in over
rock, it can damage the rope...
a lot of the guys in our club use it as will I next time I need to change.

Jeff


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43CCF8E5.B5CDDBF3@sympatico.ca...
> Isn't there an overheating issue with some winches using that rope?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>> I'm on my 4th rope and after three wire ropes, I went with 100' of 3/8"
>> of the Amsteel synthetic rope at
>> http://www.4x4rockshop.com/Scripts/p...idproduct=9982 which is
>> about the best deal I have seen.
>>
>> Safer, won't fly back and kill/maim someone if something breaks, and the
>> 3/8" synthetic has a 19.6K lb. breaking strength. It's a good rope,
>> required in sanctioned rock crawling events and I highly recommend
>> synthetic rope.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> jbjeep wrote:
>> > Any body running winch rope?
>> > What brand do you have?
>> > What length and size do you run?
>> > What are the pro's and con's of rope?
>> > What do you like and dislike about what you have?
>> >
>> > All pertinent comments appreciated. I need to order some this week - I
>> > busted my
>> > cable some.
>> >
>> > -jenn
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

The heat issue doesn't exist for typical winching activities. Heat only
builds up enough to damage the rope if you're using the brake to back
down a steep obstacle, it doesn't happen during normal winching-in
operations. The heat comes from the brake which on most winches, is
inside the hub. It's not an issue at all for the Warn 8241 winch which
uses a different type of brake.

So it's not ambient heat that hurts a synthetic rope, it's only when
braking backwards down a hill that can cause a heat problem for
synthetic ropes. So for normal winching, you can use synthetic without
worry. Besides, if that were an issue for a few of you, you can buy a
synthetic rope from Warn (but which is VERY expensive) that has its
first 15-20 feet made of a heat resistant material.

The heat thing is such a non-issue that synthetic winch rope is required
by sanctioned rock crawling competitions for all competitors, even in
the desert when it's 110 degrees.

Jerry

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Dave Milne" wrote in message
> news:PZ2zf.2523$wl.1794@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
>
>>They say "Caution! We recommend using only fairleads designed for use with
>>ropes! Ordinary roller fairleads can snag and damage winch ropes!"
>>What's the difference between the fairleads?
>
>
> The difference in the roller fairleads were that they were made from delrin
> instead of metal... Considering how scratched a metal fairlead can get with
> cable going through it, I don't think it would be good for a rope to use the
> same fairlead without replacement... I think I'll stick with metal... I
> don't like their temperature limitations of 150F for the rope... I live in
> Houston and once you combine a 100+F day with the heat from the asphalt, I
> wouldn't be surprised if it didn't get up near there during the day...
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

The heat issue doesn't exist for typical winching activities. Heat only
builds up enough to damage the rope if you're using the brake to back
down a steep obstacle, it doesn't happen during normal winching-in
operations. The heat comes from the brake which on most winches, is
inside the hub. It's not an issue at all for the Warn 8241 winch which
uses a different type of brake.

So it's not ambient heat that hurts a synthetic rope, it's only when
braking backwards down a hill that can cause a heat problem for
synthetic ropes. So for normal winching, you can use synthetic without
worry. Besides, if that were an issue for a few of you, you can buy a
synthetic rope from Warn (but which is VERY expensive) that has its
first 15-20 feet made of a heat resistant material.

The heat thing is such a non-issue that synthetic winch rope is required
by sanctioned rock crawling competitions for all competitors, even in
the desert when it's 110 degrees.

Jerry

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Dave Milne" wrote in message
> news:PZ2zf.2523$wl.1794@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
>
>>They say "Caution! We recommend using only fairleads designed for use with
>>ropes! Ordinary roller fairleads can snag and damage winch ropes!"
>>What's the difference between the fairleads?
>
>
> The difference in the roller fairleads were that they were made from delrin
> instead of metal... Considering how scratched a metal fairlead can get with
> cable going through it, I don't think it would be good for a rope to use the
> same fairlead without replacement... I think I'll stick with metal... I
> don't like their temperature limitations of 150F for the rope... I live in
> Houston and once you combine a 100+F day with the heat from the asphalt, I
> wouldn't be surprised if it didn't get up near there during the day...
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

The heat issue doesn't exist for typical winching activities. Heat only
builds up enough to damage the rope if you're using the brake to back
down a steep obstacle, it doesn't happen during normal winching-in
operations. The heat comes from the brake which on most winches, is
inside the hub. It's not an issue at all for the Warn 8241 winch which
uses a different type of brake.

So it's not ambient heat that hurts a synthetic rope, it's only when
braking backwards down a hill that can cause a heat problem for
synthetic ropes. So for normal winching, you can use synthetic without
worry. Besides, if that were an issue for a few of you, you can buy a
synthetic rope from Warn (but which is VERY expensive) that has its
first 15-20 feet made of a heat resistant material.

The heat thing is such a non-issue that synthetic winch rope is required
by sanctioned rock crawling competitions for all competitors, even in
the desert when it's 110 degrees.

Jerry

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Dave Milne" wrote in message
> news:PZ2zf.2523$wl.1794@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
>
>>They say "Caution! We recommend using only fairleads designed for use with
>>ropes! Ordinary roller fairleads can snag and damage winch ropes!"
>>What's the difference between the fairleads?
>
>
> The difference in the roller fairleads were that they were made from delrin
> instead of metal... Considering how scratched a metal fairlead can get with
> cable going through it, I don't think it would be good for a rope to use the
> same fairlead without replacement... I think I'll stick with metal... I
> don't like their temperature limitations of 150F for the rope... I live in
> Houston and once you combine a 100+F day with the heat from the asphalt, I
> wouldn't be surprised if it didn't get up near there during the day...
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

Dave, they want you to avoid using standard a standard roller fair lead
with synthetic rope because it can get caught in the corner and become
damaged, or a steel hawse that has become damaged from wire rope so it
might have sharp edges on it that can damage synthetic rope.

The usual choice for synthetic rope is nothing more than a polished
aluminum hawse (fairlead). Fancy Delrin-coated roller fairleads are now
available too. Avoid pure Delrin hawse-style fairleads as they can
deflect under load and allow the rope to be dragged across the frame
underneath.

Jerry

Dave Milne wrote:
> They say "Caution! We recommend using only fairleads designed for use with
> ropes! Ordinary roller fairleads can snag and damage winch ropes!"
> What's the difference between the fairleads?
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:jP%yf.12585$V.2617@fed1read04...
>
>>I'm on my 4th rope and after three wire ropes, I went with 100' of 3/8"
>> of the Amsteel synthetic rope at
>>http://www.4x4rockshop.com/Scripts/p...idproduct=9982 which is
>>about the best deal I have seen.
>>
>>Safer, won't fly back and kill/maim someone if something breaks, and the
>>3/8" synthetic has a 19.6K lb. breaking strength. It's a good rope,
>>required in sanctioned rock crawling events and I highly recommend
>>synthetic rope.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>
>>>Any body running winch rope?
>>>What brand do you have?
>>>What length and size do you run?
>>>What are the pro's and con's of rope?
>>>What do you like and dislike about what you have?
>>>
>>>All pertinent comments appreciated. I need to order some this week - I
>
> busted my
>
>>>cable some.
>>>
>>>-jenn
>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

Dave, they want you to avoid using standard a standard roller fair lead
with synthetic rope because it can get caught in the corner and become
damaged, or a steel hawse that has become damaged from wire rope so it
might have sharp edges on it that can damage synthetic rope.

The usual choice for synthetic rope is nothing more than a polished
aluminum hawse (fairlead). Fancy Delrin-coated roller fairleads are now
available too. Avoid pure Delrin hawse-style fairleads as they can
deflect under load and allow the rope to be dragged across the frame
underneath.

Jerry

Dave Milne wrote:
> They say "Caution! We recommend using only fairleads designed for use with
> ropes! Ordinary roller fairleads can snag and damage winch ropes!"
> What's the difference between the fairleads?
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:jP%yf.12585$V.2617@fed1read04...
>
>>I'm on my 4th rope and after three wire ropes, I went with 100' of 3/8"
>> of the Amsteel synthetic rope at
>>http://www.4x4rockshop.com/Scripts/p...idproduct=9982 which is
>>about the best deal I have seen.
>>
>>Safer, won't fly back and kill/maim someone if something breaks, and the
>>3/8" synthetic has a 19.6K lb. breaking strength. It's a good rope,
>>required in sanctioned rock crawling events and I highly recommend
>>synthetic rope.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>
>>>Any body running winch rope?
>>>What brand do you have?
>>>What length and size do you run?
>>>What are the pro's and con's of rope?
>>>What do you like and dislike about what you have?
>>>
>>>All pertinent comments appreciated. I need to order some this week - I
>
> busted my
>
>>>cable some.
>>>
>>>-jenn
>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

Dave, they want you to avoid using standard a standard roller fair lead
with synthetic rope because it can get caught in the corner and become
damaged, or a steel hawse that has become damaged from wire rope so it
might have sharp edges on it that can damage synthetic rope.

The usual choice for synthetic rope is nothing more than a polished
aluminum hawse (fairlead). Fancy Delrin-coated roller fairleads are now
available too. Avoid pure Delrin hawse-style fairleads as they can
deflect under load and allow the rope to be dragged across the frame
underneath.

Jerry

Dave Milne wrote:
> They say "Caution! We recommend using only fairleads designed for use with
> ropes! Ordinary roller fairleads can snag and damage winch ropes!"
> What's the difference between the fairleads?
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:jP%yf.12585$V.2617@fed1read04...
>
>>I'm on my 4th rope and after three wire ropes, I went with 100' of 3/8"
>> of the Amsteel synthetic rope at
>>http://www.4x4rockshop.com/Scripts/p...idproduct=9982 which is
>>about the best deal I have seen.
>>
>>Safer, won't fly back and kill/maim someone if something breaks, and the
>>3/8" synthetic has a 19.6K lb. breaking strength. It's a good rope,
>>required in sanctioned rock crawling events and I highly recommend
>>synthetic rope.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>
>>>Any body running winch rope?
>>>What brand do you have?
>>>What length and size do you run?
>>>What are the pro's and con's of rope?
>>>What do you like and dislike about what you have?
>>>
>>>All pertinent comments appreciated. I need to order some this week - I
>
> busted my
>
>>>cable some.
>>>
>>>-jenn
>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Dave Milne

Interesting, thanks, all of you !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:S28zf.13982$V.5830@fed1read04...
> Dave, they want you to avoid using standard a standard roller fair lead
> with synthetic rope because it can get caught in the corner and become
> damaged, or a steel hawse that has become damaged from wire rope so it
> might have sharp edges on it that can damage synthetic rope.
>
> The usual choice for synthetic rope is nothing more than a polished
> aluminum hawse (fairlead). Fancy Delrin-coated roller fairleads are now
> available too. Avoid pure Delrin hawse-style fairleads as they can
> deflect under load and allow the rope to be dragged across the frame
> underneath.
>
> Jerry
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > They say "Caution! We recommend using only fairleads designed for use
with
> > ropes! Ordinary roller fairleads can snag and damage winch ropes!"
> > What's the difference between the fairleads?
> >
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:jP%yf.12585$V.2617@fed1read04...
> >
> >>I'm on my 4th rope and after three wire ropes, I went with 100' of 3/8"
> >> of the Amsteel synthetic rope at
> >>http://www.4x4rockshop.com/Scripts/p...idproduct=9982 which is
> >>about the best deal I have seen.
> >>
> >>Safer, won't fly back and kill/maim someone if something breaks, and the
> >>3/8" synthetic has a 19.6K lb. breaking strength. It's a good rope,
> >>required in sanctioned rock crawling events and I highly recommend
> >>synthetic rope.
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>
> >>>Any body running winch rope?
> >>>What brand do you have?
> >>>What length and size do you run?
> >>>What are the pro's and con's of rope?
> >>>What do you like and dislike about what you have?
> >>>
> >>>All pertinent comments appreciated. I need to order some this week - I
> >
> > busted my
> >
> >>>cable some.
> >>>
> >>>-jenn
> >>
> >>--
> >>Jerry Bransford
> >>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Dave Milne

Interesting, thanks, all of you !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:S28zf.13982$V.5830@fed1read04...
> Dave, they want you to avoid using standard a standard roller fair lead
> with synthetic rope because it can get caught in the corner and become
> damaged, or a steel hawse that has become damaged from wire rope so it
> might have sharp edges on it that can damage synthetic rope.
>
> The usual choice for synthetic rope is nothing more than a polished
> aluminum hawse (fairlead). Fancy Delrin-coated roller fairleads are now
> available too. Avoid pure Delrin hawse-style fairleads as they can
> deflect under load and allow the rope to be dragged across the frame
> underneath.
>
> Jerry
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > They say "Caution! We recommend using only fairleads designed for use
with
> > ropes! Ordinary roller fairleads can snag and damage winch ropes!"
> > What's the difference between the fairleads?
> >
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:jP%yf.12585$V.2617@fed1read04...
> >
> >>I'm on my 4th rope and after three wire ropes, I went with 100' of 3/8"
> >> of the Amsteel synthetic rope at
> >>http://www.4x4rockshop.com/Scripts/p...idproduct=9982 which is
> >>about the best deal I have seen.
> >>
> >>Safer, won't fly back and kill/maim someone if something breaks, and the
> >>3/8" synthetic has a 19.6K lb. breaking strength. It's a good rope,
> >>required in sanctioned rock crawling events and I highly recommend
> >>synthetic rope.
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>
> >>>Any body running winch rope?
> >>>What brand do you have?
> >>>What length and size do you run?
> >>>What are the pro's and con's of rope?
> >>>What do you like and dislike about what you have?
> >>>
> >>>All pertinent comments appreciated. I need to order some this week - I
> >
> > busted my
> >
> >>>cable some.
> >>>
> >>>-jenn
> >>
> >>--
> >>Jerry Bransford
> >>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/