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griffin 08-07-2007 02:28 PM

Winch question
 
I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've heard
that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating for
getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.



nrs 08-07-2007 02:42 PM

Re: Winch question
 
On Aug 7, 1:28 pm, "griffin" <gry...@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote:
> I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.


8000 should be fine, that used to be the standard. Now 9000 or 9500
is more common but 12,000 sounds like overkill for a jeep although
some do use it.


nrs 08-07-2007 02:42 PM

Re: Winch question
 
On Aug 7, 1:28 pm, "griffin" <gry...@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote:
> I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.


8000 should be fine, that used to be the standard. Now 9000 or 9500
is more common but 12,000 sounds like overkill for a jeep although
some do use it.


nrs 08-07-2007 02:42 PM

Re: Winch question
 
On Aug 7, 1:28 pm, "griffin" <gry...@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote:
> I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.


8000 should be fine, that used to be the standard. Now 9000 or 9500
is more common but 12,000 sounds like overkill for a jeep although
some do use it.


nrs 08-07-2007 02:42 PM

Re: Winch question
 
On Aug 7, 1:28 pm, "griffin" <gry...@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote:
> I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.


8000 should be fine, that used to be the standard. Now 9000 or 9500
is more common but 12,000 sounds like overkill for a jeep although
some do use it.


Jeff Strickland 08-07-2007 02:55 PM

Re: Winch question
 
An 8000 pound winch is the minimum. You want a winch capacity that is at
least double the weight of your Jeep, rounded up to the next available size.
Most TJs use a 9000 pound winch, but 8000 is okay.

Think twice before you hook it up to an Excursion that found the direct path
to the ditch ...








"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:KR2ui.40403$fJ5.36416@pd7urf1no...
>I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've
>heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating
> for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.
>
>



Jeff Strickland 08-07-2007 02:55 PM

Re: Winch question
 
An 8000 pound winch is the minimum. You want a winch capacity that is at
least double the weight of your Jeep, rounded up to the next available size.
Most TJs use a 9000 pound winch, but 8000 is okay.

Think twice before you hook it up to an Excursion that found the direct path
to the ditch ...








"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:KR2ui.40403$fJ5.36416@pd7urf1no...
>I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've
>heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating
> for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.
>
>



Jeff Strickland 08-07-2007 02:55 PM

Re: Winch question
 
An 8000 pound winch is the minimum. You want a winch capacity that is at
least double the weight of your Jeep, rounded up to the next available size.
Most TJs use a 9000 pound winch, but 8000 is okay.

Think twice before you hook it up to an Excursion that found the direct path
to the ditch ...








"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:KR2ui.40403$fJ5.36416@pd7urf1no...
>I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've
>heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating
> for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.
>
>



Jeff Strickland 08-07-2007 02:55 PM

Re: Winch question
 
An 8000 pound winch is the minimum. You want a winch capacity that is at
least double the weight of your Jeep, rounded up to the next available size.
Most TJs use a 9000 pound winch, but 8000 is okay.

Think twice before you hook it up to an Excursion that found the direct path
to the ditch ...








"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:KR2ui.40403$fJ5.36416@pd7urf1no...
>I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've
>heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating
> for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.
>
>



Greg 08-07-2007 04:21 PM

Re: Winch question
 
Don't know about champion, but an 8000 warn 8274 will pull my CJ out of
the mud nearly straight up.

"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:KR2ui.40403$fJ5.36416@pd7urf1no...
>I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've
>heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating
> for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.
>
>




Greg 08-07-2007 04:21 PM

Re: Winch question
 
Don't know about champion, but an 8000 warn 8274 will pull my CJ out of
the mud nearly straight up.

"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:KR2ui.40403$fJ5.36416@pd7urf1no...
>I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've
>heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating
> for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.
>
>




Greg 08-07-2007 04:21 PM

Re: Winch question
 
Don't know about champion, but an 8000 warn 8274 will pull my CJ out of
the mud nearly straight up.

"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:KR2ui.40403$fJ5.36416@pd7urf1no...
>I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've
>heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating
> for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.
>
>




Greg 08-07-2007 04:21 PM

Re: Winch question
 
Don't know about champion, but an 8000 warn 8274 will pull my CJ out of
the mud nearly straight up.

"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:KR2ui.40403$fJ5.36416@pd7urf1no...
>I bought a TJ that came with a Champion 8000lb winch with remote. I've
>heard
> that most Jeepers don't get anything less than 12000lb for a winch for
> safety reasons. Should I just sell this winch or is 8000lb a safe rating
> for
> getting myself unstuck? I don't want that cable snapping when I'm nearby.
>
>




L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 05:35 PM

Re: Winch question
 
It surely will, but not over a rock. Or that spare tire you buried for
an anchor, out of the ground.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ov4ui.39175$_d2.10009@pd7urf3no...
> Don't know about champion, but an 8000 warn 8274 will pull my CJ out of
> the mud nearly straight up.




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 05:35 PM

Re: Winch question
 
It surely will, but not over a rock. Or that spare tire you buried for
an anchor, out of the ground.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ov4ui.39175$_d2.10009@pd7urf3no...
> Don't know about champion, but an 8000 warn 8274 will pull my CJ out of
> the mud nearly straight up.




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 05:35 PM

Re: Winch question
 
It surely will, but not over a rock. Or that spare tire you buried for
an anchor, out of the ground.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ov4ui.39175$_d2.10009@pd7urf3no...
> Don't know about champion, but an 8000 warn 8274 will pull my CJ out of
> the mud nearly straight up.




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 05:35 PM

Re: Winch question
 
It surely will, but not over a rock. Or that spare tire you buried for
an anchor, out of the ground.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ov4ui.39175$_d2.10009@pd7urf3no...
> Don't know about champion, but an 8000 warn 8274 will pull my CJ out of
> the mud nearly straight up.




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Shirley U. Jeste 08-07-2007 05:46 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:35:16 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> It surely will



Don't call me Shirley.








Shirley U. Jeste 08-07-2007 05:46 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:35:16 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> It surely will



Don't call me Shirley.








Shirley U. Jeste 08-07-2007 05:46 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:35:16 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> It surely will



Don't call me Shirley.








Shirley U. Jeste 08-07-2007 05:46 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:35:16 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> It surely will



Don't call me Shirley.








L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 05:51 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it
writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no
one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and
loving Christian family. Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving
I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more
senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take
responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Shirley U. Jeste" <dontcallmeshirley@anytime.bud> wrote in message
news:yK5ui.40554$fJ5.21711@pd7urf1no...
>
> Don't call me Shirley.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 05:51 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it
writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no
one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and
loving Christian family. Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving
I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more
senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take
responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Shirley U. Jeste" <dontcallmeshirley@anytime.bud> wrote in message
news:yK5ui.40554$fJ5.21711@pd7urf1no...
>
> Don't call me Shirley.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




--
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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 05:51 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it
writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no
one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and
loving Christian family. Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving
I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more
senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take
responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Shirley U. Jeste" <dontcallmeshirley@anytime.bud> wrote in message
news:yK5ui.40554$fJ5.21711@pd7urf1no...
>
> Don't call me Shirley.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 05:51 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it
writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no
one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and
loving Christian family. Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving
I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more
senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take
responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Shirley U. Jeste" <dontcallmeshirley@anytime.bud> wrote in message
news:yK5ui.40554$fJ5.21711@pd7urf1no...
>
> Don't call me Shirley.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




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SnoMan 08-07-2007 08:32 PM

Re: Re: Winch question
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:55:15 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>An 8000 pound winch is the minimum. You want a winch capacity that is at
>least double the weight of your Jeep, rounded up to the next available size.
>Most TJs use a 9000 pound winch, but 8000 is okay.


I guess you guys need heard of a snatch blok with a double pulley to
make a 6K wench a 12 k and a 8 K at 16K. But there are those that
still think you need a 9 or 12K wench for a 3500 lb jeep. Then you
have to power it and big wenchs can kill battery fast too. The smart
buy is a high quality 6 or 8K model that is efficent on power and has
a large motor with a very good duty cycle. ALso lets not forget that
when you start pulling at around 6 to 8k and more line load if you use
a snatch block with a doubler you line load with only be 3 to 4K on
wench and while it will run a bit slower, it will run a lot cooler
because wich motor does not have to work as hard and it greatly
reducely the chance of a cable failure or burnt out wench motor in
high usage.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 08-07-2007 08:32 PM

Re: Re: Winch question
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:55:15 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>An 8000 pound winch is the minimum. You want a winch capacity that is at
>least double the weight of your Jeep, rounded up to the next available size.
>Most TJs use a 9000 pound winch, but 8000 is okay.


I guess you guys need heard of a snatch blok with a double pulley to
make a 6K wench a 12 k and a 8 K at 16K. But there are those that
still think you need a 9 or 12K wench for a 3500 lb jeep. Then you
have to power it and big wenchs can kill battery fast too. The smart
buy is a high quality 6 or 8K model that is efficent on power and has
a large motor with a very good duty cycle. ALso lets not forget that
when you start pulling at around 6 to 8k and more line load if you use
a snatch block with a doubler you line load with only be 3 to 4K on
wench and while it will run a bit slower, it will run a lot cooler
because wich motor does not have to work as hard and it greatly
reducely the chance of a cable failure or burnt out wench motor in
high usage.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 08-07-2007 08:32 PM

Re: Re: Winch question
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:55:15 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>An 8000 pound winch is the minimum. You want a winch capacity that is at
>least double the weight of your Jeep, rounded up to the next available size.
>Most TJs use a 9000 pound winch, but 8000 is okay.


I guess you guys need heard of a snatch blok with a double pulley to
make a 6K wench a 12 k and a 8 K at 16K. But there are those that
still think you need a 9 or 12K wench for a 3500 lb jeep. Then you
have to power it and big wenchs can kill battery fast too. The smart
buy is a high quality 6 or 8K model that is efficent on power and has
a large motor with a very good duty cycle. ALso lets not forget that
when you start pulling at around 6 to 8k and more line load if you use
a snatch block with a doubler you line load with only be 3 to 4K on
wench and while it will run a bit slower, it will run a lot cooler
because wich motor does not have to work as hard and it greatly
reducely the chance of a cable failure or burnt out wench motor in
high usage.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 08-07-2007 08:32 PM

Re: Re: Winch question
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:55:15 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>An 8000 pound winch is the minimum. You want a winch capacity that is at
>least double the weight of your Jeep, rounded up to the next available size.
>Most TJs use a 9000 pound winch, but 8000 is okay.


I guess you guys need heard of a snatch blok with a double pulley to
make a 6K wench a 12 k and a 8 K at 16K. But there are those that
still think you need a 9 or 12K wench for a 3500 lb jeep. Then you
have to power it and big wenchs can kill battery fast too. The smart
buy is a high quality 6 or 8K model that is efficent on power and has
a large motor with a very good duty cycle. ALso lets not forget that
when you start pulling at around 6 to 8k and more line load if you use
a snatch block with a doubler you line load with only be 3 to 4K on
wench and while it will run a bit slower, it will run a lot cooler
because wich motor does not have to work as hard and it greatly
reducely the chance of a cable failure or burnt out wench motor in
high usage.
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TheSnoMan.com

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 09:39 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it
writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no
one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and
loving Christian family. Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving
I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more
senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take
responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Pink Freud" <psychokiller@terminal-analysis.org> wrote in message
news:Ya9ui.40712$
>
> I know.
>
>
>
>
>




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 09:39 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it
writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no
one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and
loving Christian family. Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving
I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more
senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take
responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Pink Freud" <psychokiller@terminal-analysis.org> wrote in message
news:Ya9ui.40712$
>
> I know.
>
>
>
>
>




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 09:39 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it
writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no
one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and
loving Christian family. Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving
I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more
senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take
responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Pink Freud" <psychokiller@terminal-analysis.org> wrote in message
news:Ya9ui.40712$
>
> I know.
>
>
>
>
>




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 08-07-2007 09:39 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it
writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no
one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and
loving Christian family. Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving
I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more
senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take
responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Pink Freud" <psychokiller@terminal-analysis.org> wrote in message
news:Ya9ui.40712$
>
> I know.
>
>
>
>
>




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Pink Freud 08-07-2007 09:41 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:51:35 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:


> YOU ARE A GOD



I know.






Pink Freud 08-07-2007 09:41 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:51:35 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:


> YOU ARE A GOD



I know.






Pink Freud 08-07-2007 09:41 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:51:35 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:


> YOU ARE A GOD



I know.






Pink Freud 08-07-2007 09:41 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:51:35 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:


> YOU ARE A GOD



I know.






shykllgrubrre 08-07-2007 10:15 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 


> I'm starting to remind me of a little rat dog, like a
> Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too.



Always slow on the uptake.

Poor guy.

Must be a real bitch, always being behind, always losing, always coning in
something other than first, never quite measuring up in any way.

Well, you always have suicide. It generally comes highly praised by the
survivors.

And finally, after 65 years, many folks will say for once ya done good.




























`

shykllgrubrre 08-07-2007 10:15 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 


> I'm starting to remind me of a little rat dog, like a
> Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too.



Always slow on the uptake.

Poor guy.

Must be a real bitch, always being behind, always losing, always coning in
something other than first, never quite measuring up in any way.

Well, you always have suicide. It generally comes highly praised by the
survivors.

And finally, after 65 years, many folks will say for once ya done good.




























`

shykllgrubrre 08-07-2007 10:15 PM

Re: Which question will I pretend to know about?
 


> I'm starting to remind me of a little rat dog, like a
> Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too.



Always slow on the uptake.

Poor guy.

Must be a real bitch, always being behind, always losing, always coning in
something other than first, never quite measuring up in any way.

Well, you always have suicide. It generally comes highly praised by the
survivors.

And finally, after 65 years, many folks will say for once ya done good.




























`


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