winch comparison
09-09-2003, 08:50 PM
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winch comparison
worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all 5/16"
cable was basically the same.
http://7slotgrille.com/winch.html
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Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all 5/16"
cable was basically the same.
http://7slotgrille.com/winch.html
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-09-2003, 10:00 PM
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Re: winch comparison
"Tim" <Time@telus.net> wrote in message
news:vjvslv0jlvtgub58fa8efqpcru71almr62@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:50:11 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
> >worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
> >the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
> >stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all
5/16"
> >cable was basically the same.
>
> Nope wire rope comes in many different constructions and materials.
<SNIP>
wow.....you just made it a lot more complicated than i ever thought it was!
:-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
>
> Ironically most people still use 5/16 7x19 RRL IWRC GALV Air Craft
> cable.
>
> It has good anti-corosion attributes, but beyond that it's one of the
> weakest cables you can use. It surprised me that my HS9500 came
> with 5/16 cable.. Years ago I worked for the largest wire rope
> manufacturers and distributers in Canada...
>
> I spent some time operating the test bed -- a great deal of time was
> spent just pulling lengths of cable until it would snap, devide it
> by five and that's the SWL of the cable .. 5/16 cable brakes
> before 9500lbs was reached on the test bed.. Some companies go
> with a 4:1 others 6:1 and so forth.. Either way 5/16 cable is NOT
> really rated for single line pulls that most winches are cable of.
> It may survive a few pulls, but every time you load that cable it
> will streach and weeken -- shock loading it is even worse..
>
> I personally run a 3/8 6x36 IWRC RRL IPS.. It is much stronger, I've
> yet to snap one on my winch -- unlike the prior.. Granted I only
> run 90' as opposed to 100', and unlike air craft cable it will rust
> if left to the weather over time -- but one can keep it lubricated
> to prevent it..
>
> 5/16 7x19 IWRC RRL would usually brake at around 9000lbs or
> so -- we rated it for safe use between 1600-1800lbs depending
> on who manufactured it -- and that's with a flemish eye splice
> and steel sleeve -- not a simple folding of the cable back apon
> itself with a pressed duplex aluminum sleeve which isn't nearly
> as strong.. Lines done with just a duplex sleeve folded back on
> itself usually failed at the sleeve -- those with a proper splice
> and steel sleeve always failed in the length of the cable not
> near the splice or sleeve itself.
>
> We would also test used peices of wire rope -- and keep in mind
> that a new 5/16 Air Craft cable would brake around 9000lbs or so
> one that was only lightly used would fail slightly before that, one
> that had been over-loaded regularly or used well would fail
> with even less load on it.
news:vjvslv0jlvtgub58fa8efqpcru71almr62@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:50:11 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
> >worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
> >the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
> >stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all
5/16"
> >cable was basically the same.
>
> Nope wire rope comes in many different constructions and materials.
<SNIP>
wow.....you just made it a lot more complicated than i ever thought it was!
:-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
>
> Ironically most people still use 5/16 7x19 RRL IWRC GALV Air Craft
> cable.
>
> It has good anti-corosion attributes, but beyond that it's one of the
> weakest cables you can use. It surprised me that my HS9500 came
> with 5/16 cable.. Years ago I worked for the largest wire rope
> manufacturers and distributers in Canada...
>
> I spent some time operating the test bed -- a great deal of time was
> spent just pulling lengths of cable until it would snap, devide it
> by five and that's the SWL of the cable .. 5/16 cable brakes
> before 9500lbs was reached on the test bed.. Some companies go
> with a 4:1 others 6:1 and so forth.. Either way 5/16 cable is NOT
> really rated for single line pulls that most winches are cable of.
> It may survive a few pulls, but every time you load that cable it
> will streach and weeken -- shock loading it is even worse..
>
> I personally run a 3/8 6x36 IWRC RRL IPS.. It is much stronger, I've
> yet to snap one on my winch -- unlike the prior.. Granted I only
> run 90' as opposed to 100', and unlike air craft cable it will rust
> if left to the weather over time -- but one can keep it lubricated
> to prevent it..
>
> 5/16 7x19 IWRC RRL would usually brake at around 9000lbs or
> so -- we rated it for safe use between 1600-1800lbs depending
> on who manufactured it -- and that's with a flemish eye splice
> and steel sleeve -- not a simple folding of the cable back apon
> itself with a pressed duplex aluminum sleeve which isn't nearly
> as strong.. Lines done with just a duplex sleeve folded back on
> itself usually failed at the sleeve -- those with a proper splice
> and steel sleeve always failed in the length of the cable not
> near the splice or sleeve itself.
>
> We would also test used peices of wire rope -- and keep in mind
> that a new 5/16 Air Craft cable would brake around 9000lbs or so
> one that was only lightly used would fail slightly before that, one
> that had been over-loaded regularly or used well would fail
> with even less load on it.
09-09-2003, 10:00 PM
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Re: winch comparison
"Tim" <Time@telus.net> wrote in message
news:vjvslv0jlvtgub58fa8efqpcru71almr62@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:50:11 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
> >worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
> >the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
> >stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all
5/16"
> >cable was basically the same.
>
> Nope wire rope comes in many different constructions and materials.
<SNIP>
wow.....you just made it a lot more complicated than i ever thought it was!
:-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
>
> Ironically most people still use 5/16 7x19 RRL IWRC GALV Air Craft
> cable.
>
> It has good anti-corosion attributes, but beyond that it's one of the
> weakest cables you can use. It surprised me that my HS9500 came
> with 5/16 cable.. Years ago I worked for the largest wire rope
> manufacturers and distributers in Canada...
>
> I spent some time operating the test bed -- a great deal of time was
> spent just pulling lengths of cable until it would snap, devide it
> by five and that's the SWL of the cable .. 5/16 cable brakes
> before 9500lbs was reached on the test bed.. Some companies go
> with a 4:1 others 6:1 and so forth.. Either way 5/16 cable is NOT
> really rated for single line pulls that most winches are cable of.
> It may survive a few pulls, but every time you load that cable it
> will streach and weeken -- shock loading it is even worse..
>
> I personally run a 3/8 6x36 IWRC RRL IPS.. It is much stronger, I've
> yet to snap one on my winch -- unlike the prior.. Granted I only
> run 90' as opposed to 100', and unlike air craft cable it will rust
> if left to the weather over time -- but one can keep it lubricated
> to prevent it..
>
> 5/16 7x19 IWRC RRL would usually brake at around 9000lbs or
> so -- we rated it for safe use between 1600-1800lbs depending
> on who manufactured it -- and that's with a flemish eye splice
> and steel sleeve -- not a simple folding of the cable back apon
> itself with a pressed duplex aluminum sleeve which isn't nearly
> as strong.. Lines done with just a duplex sleeve folded back on
> itself usually failed at the sleeve -- those with a proper splice
> and steel sleeve always failed in the length of the cable not
> near the splice or sleeve itself.
>
> We would also test used peices of wire rope -- and keep in mind
> that a new 5/16 Air Craft cable would brake around 9000lbs or so
> one that was only lightly used would fail slightly before that, one
> that had been over-loaded regularly or used well would fail
> with even less load on it.
news:vjvslv0jlvtgub58fa8efqpcru71almr62@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:50:11 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
> >worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
> >the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
> >stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all
5/16"
> >cable was basically the same.
>
> Nope wire rope comes in many different constructions and materials.
<SNIP>
wow.....you just made it a lot more complicated than i ever thought it was!
:-)
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
>
> Ironically most people still use 5/16 7x19 RRL IWRC GALV Air Craft
> cable.
>
> It has good anti-corosion attributes, but beyond that it's one of the
> weakest cables you can use. It surprised me that my HS9500 came
> with 5/16 cable.. Years ago I worked for the largest wire rope
> manufacturers and distributers in Canada...
>
> I spent some time operating the test bed -- a great deal of time was
> spent just pulling lengths of cable until it would snap, devide it
> by five and that's the SWL of the cable .. 5/16 cable brakes
> before 9500lbs was reached on the test bed.. Some companies go
> with a 4:1 others 6:1 and so forth.. Either way 5/16 cable is NOT
> really rated for single line pulls that most winches are cable of.
> It may survive a few pulls, but every time you load that cable it
> will streach and weeken -- shock loading it is even worse..
>
> I personally run a 3/8 6x36 IWRC RRL IPS.. It is much stronger, I've
> yet to snap one on my winch -- unlike the prior.. Granted I only
> run 90' as opposed to 100', and unlike air craft cable it will rust
> if left to the weather over time -- but one can keep it lubricated
> to prevent it..
>
> 5/16 7x19 IWRC RRL would usually brake at around 9000lbs or
> so -- we rated it for safe use between 1600-1800lbs depending
> on who manufactured it -- and that's with a flemish eye splice
> and steel sleeve -- not a simple folding of the cable back apon
> itself with a pressed duplex aluminum sleeve which isn't nearly
> as strong.. Lines done with just a duplex sleeve folded back on
> itself usually failed at the sleeve -- those with a proper splice
> and steel sleeve always failed in the length of the cable not
> near the splice or sleeve itself.
>
> We would also test used peices of wire rope -- and keep in mind
> that a new 5/16 Air Craft cable would brake around 9000lbs or so
> one that was only lightly used would fail slightly before that, one
> that had been over-loaded regularly or used well would fail
> with even less load on it.
09-09-2003, 10:21 PM
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Re: winch comparison
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:50:11 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
>the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
>stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all 5/16"
>cable was basically the same.
>
>http://7slotgrille.com/winch.html
Hmm was it MileMarker doing those test...?
If that's the case take their results with a real grain of salt ...
We might as well start letting Ford and GM give us independant test
results on Jeep's.. Any guess what those tests would say compared
to "their" vehicles?
The so called "independent" tests they've used in the past
have been shown to have been financed directly by MileMarker
that's not independet at all.. After all did anyone belive either
side in the cola-war taste tests? Don't two out of three dentists
recommend it? Or four out of five doctors? Company fincanced
independent tests are bogus -- they only release tests to back up
the evidence or tell the side of the story they wish to portray --
they never release results unfavorable to them or their claims.
Speaking of Milemarker, what was response to some negative
truly independant tests in the past? Gee what were those lawsuits
about again? Hmmm...
I dunno to me it looks like MileMarker again trying to take direct
shots at Warn Industries again..
Seems like pretty bad buisness practice to me.. If you have a
good product, then show me what it can do, offer kick-*** after-sale
support, and leave it at that -- if I want a comparison of products
I want true independant tests -- tests that are financed by a
company directly involved in the product are outright BS.
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
>the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
>stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all 5/16"
>cable was basically the same.
>
>http://7slotgrille.com/winch.html
Hmm was it MileMarker doing those test...?
If that's the case take their results with a real grain of salt ...
We might as well start letting Ford and GM give us independant test
results on Jeep's.. Any guess what those tests would say compared
to "their" vehicles?
The so called "independent" tests they've used in the past
have been shown to have been financed directly by MileMarker
that's not independet at all.. After all did anyone belive either
side in the cola-war taste tests? Don't two out of three dentists
recommend it? Or four out of five doctors? Company fincanced
independent tests are bogus -- they only release tests to back up
the evidence or tell the side of the story they wish to portray --
they never release results unfavorable to them or their claims.
Speaking of Milemarker, what was response to some negative
truly independant tests in the past? Gee what were those lawsuits
about again? Hmmm...
I dunno to me it looks like MileMarker again trying to take direct
shots at Warn Industries again..
Seems like pretty bad buisness practice to me.. If you have a
good product, then show me what it can do, offer kick-*** after-sale
support, and leave it at that -- if I want a comparison of products
I want true independant tests -- tests that are financed by a
company directly involved in the product are outright BS.
09-09-2003, 10:21 PM
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Re: winch comparison
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:50:11 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
>the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
>stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all 5/16"
>cable was basically the same.
>
>http://7slotgrille.com/winch.html
Hmm was it MileMarker doing those test...?
If that's the case take their results with a real grain of salt ...
We might as well start letting Ford and GM give us independant test
results on Jeep's.. Any guess what those tests would say compared
to "their" vehicles?
The so called "independent" tests they've used in the past
have been shown to have been financed directly by MileMarker
that's not independet at all.. After all did anyone belive either
side in the cola-war taste tests? Don't two out of three dentists
recommend it? Or four out of five doctors? Company fincanced
independent tests are bogus -- they only release tests to back up
the evidence or tell the side of the story they wish to portray --
they never release results unfavorable to them or their claims.
Speaking of Milemarker, what was response to some negative
truly independant tests in the past? Gee what were those lawsuits
about again? Hmmm...
I dunno to me it looks like MileMarker again trying to take direct
shots at Warn Industries again..
Seems like pretty bad buisness practice to me.. If you have a
good product, then show me what it can do, offer kick-*** after-sale
support, and leave it at that -- if I want a comparison of products
I want true independant tests -- tests that are financed by a
company directly involved in the product are outright BS.
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
>the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
>stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all 5/16"
>cable was basically the same.
>
>http://7slotgrille.com/winch.html
Hmm was it MileMarker doing those test...?
If that's the case take their results with a real grain of salt ...
We might as well start letting Ford and GM give us independant test
results on Jeep's.. Any guess what those tests would say compared
to "their" vehicles?
The so called "independent" tests they've used in the past
have been shown to have been financed directly by MileMarker
that's not independet at all.. After all did anyone belive either
side in the cola-war taste tests? Don't two out of three dentists
recommend it? Or four out of five doctors? Company fincanced
independent tests are bogus -- they only release tests to back up
the evidence or tell the side of the story they wish to portray --
they never release results unfavorable to them or their claims.
Speaking of Milemarker, what was response to some negative
truly independant tests in the past? Gee what were those lawsuits
about again? Hmmm...
I dunno to me it looks like MileMarker again trying to take direct
shots at Warn Industries again..
Seems like pretty bad buisness practice to me.. If you have a
good product, then show me what it can do, offer kick-*** after-sale
support, and leave it at that -- if I want a comparison of products
I want true independant tests -- tests that are financed by a
company directly involved in the product are outright BS.
09-09-2003, 10:28 PM
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Re: winch comparison
"Tim" <Time@telus.net> wrote in message
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> If that's the case take their results with a real grain of salt ...
agreed. i figured everyone could draw their own conclusions.
> I dunno to me it looks like MileMarker again trying to take direct
> shots at Warn Industries again..
i dunno. i think if it were direct lies they would subject themselves to a
world of hurt. who knows....
i had a warn 8000 on the front of my '86 4 runner and i never had any
problems with it. i have a warn 2000 on the front of my atv though that i
dont trust any farther than i can throw it. every now and then it free
spools when i let off the button. normally this isnt an issue but when it
does it when im winching up something to steep to ride a 4x4 atv up it will
make the hair on your neck stand up.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:jd1tlvcif516at5uscvckt42g5lkimijk8@4ax.com...
> If that's the case take their results with a real grain of salt ...
agreed. i figured everyone could draw their own conclusions.
> I dunno to me it looks like MileMarker again trying to take direct
> shots at Warn Industries again..
i dunno. i think if it were direct lies they would subject themselves to a
world of hurt. who knows....
i had a warn 8000 on the front of my '86 4 runner and i never had any
problems with it. i have a warn 2000 on the front of my atv though that i
dont trust any farther than i can throw it. every now and then it free
spools when i let off the button. normally this isnt an issue but when it
does it when im winching up something to steep to ride a 4x4 atv up it will
make the hair on your neck stand up.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-09-2003, 10:28 PM
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Re: winch comparison
"Tim" <Time@telus.net> wrote in message
news:jd1tlvcif516at5uscvckt42g5lkimijk8@4ax.com...
> If that's the case take their results with a real grain of salt ...
agreed. i figured everyone could draw their own conclusions.
> I dunno to me it looks like MileMarker again trying to take direct
> shots at Warn Industries again..
i dunno. i think if it were direct lies they would subject themselves to a
world of hurt. who knows....
i had a warn 8000 on the front of my '86 4 runner and i never had any
problems with it. i have a warn 2000 on the front of my atv though that i
dont trust any farther than i can throw it. every now and then it free
spools when i let off the button. normally this isnt an issue but when it
does it when im winching up something to steep to ride a 4x4 atv up it will
make the hair on your neck stand up.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:jd1tlvcif516at5uscvckt42g5lkimijk8@4ax.com...
> If that's the case take their results with a real grain of salt ...
agreed. i figured everyone could draw their own conclusions.
> I dunno to me it looks like MileMarker again trying to take direct
> shots at Warn Industries again..
i dunno. i think if it were direct lies they would subject themselves to a
world of hurt. who knows....
i had a warn 8000 on the front of my '86 4 runner and i never had any
problems with it. i have a warn 2000 on the front of my atv though that i
dont trust any farther than i can throw it. every now and then it free
spools when i let off the button. normally this isnt an issue but when it
does it when im winching up something to steep to ride a 4x4 atv up it will
make the hair on your neck stand up.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-27-2003, 02:13 AM
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Re: winch comparison
>"Tim" <Time@telus.net> wrote in message
>news:vjvslv0jlvtgub58fa8efqpcru71almr62@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:50:11 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
>> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>>
>> >worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
>> >the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
>> >stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all
>5/16"
>> >cable was basically the same.
>>
>> Nope wire rope comes in many different constructions and materials.
>
>
><SNIP>
>
>wow.....you just made it a lot more complicated than i ever thought it was!
>:-)
Hmm odd..
...Chris.. or you can call me Tim if you wish. *cough*
>news:vjvslv0jlvtgub58fa8efqpcru71almr62@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:50:11 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
>> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>>
>> >worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
>> >the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
>> >stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all
>5/16"
>> >cable was basically the same.
>>
>> Nope wire rope comes in many different constructions and materials.
>
>
><SNIP>
>
>wow.....you just made it a lot more complicated than i ever thought it was!
>:-)
Hmm odd..
...Chris.. or you can call me Tim if you wish. *cough*
09-27-2003, 02:13 AM
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Re: winch comparison
>"Tim" <Time@telus.net> wrote in message
>news:vjvslv0jlvtgub58fa8efqpcru71almr62@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:50:11 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
>> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>>
>> >worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
>> >the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
>> >stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all
>5/16"
>> >cable was basically the same.
>>
>> Nope wire rope comes in many different constructions and materials.
>
>
><SNIP>
>
>wow.....you just made it a lot more complicated than i ever thought it was!
>:-)
Hmm odd..
...Chris.. or you can call me Tim if you wish. *cough*
>news:vjvslv0jlvtgub58fa8efqpcru71almr62@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:50:11 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
>> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>>
>> >worth noting, at 70% load the superwinch pulled 18 feet before stalling.
>> >the ramsey pulled 21 feet before stalling. the warn pulled 9 feet before
>> >stalling. also worth noting are the cable strengths. i thought all
>5/16"
>> >cable was basically the same.
>>
>> Nope wire rope comes in many different constructions and materials.
>
>
><SNIP>
>
>wow.....you just made it a lot more complicated than i ever thought it was!
>:-)
Hmm odd..
...Chris.. or you can call me Tim if you wish. *cough*
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