Re: Why Jeeps suck.
 

Are you the sort of person who would burn your mouth on hot coffee and sue,
despite your common sense telling you to blow on it ?


Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
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: >
: > Jeep can't help it you bought the hype and didn't know what you were
doing!
: > You simply didn't research your selection and bought a poser. That was
: > _YOUR_ mistake and _YOUR_ problem. YOU bought the WRONG JEEP!
:
:
: So, Chrysler isn't resposnible for me believing what they told me?
: It's my fault that I should assume everything in their literature is
: -------- and I didn't?
:
: Fine. As I said, I will never again buy a DaimlerChrylser vehicle.
: Their E500 Sedan looks nice, but that is only if one assumes that they
: come with seats and an engine and paintjob. I woudln't want to make
: it MY problem that I bought the WRONG car, stupidly assuming that it
: acutally came with those parts just because it is shown in the
: commercials, expressed in their literature, and promised to me by the
: dealer.

Re: Why Jeeps suck.
 

I thought I had caught that, I meant almost as bad. a little
dyslexic problem I have.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joe wrote:
>
> "The Germans are the worst driver of the world, nearly as bad as the
> Japanese."
> Wouldn't that make the Japenese the worst and not the Germans??? Besides,
> everbody knows that the WORST drivers are minivan drivers... I rented one
> once and I felt my driving skills drop 30-40%

Re: Why Jeeps suck.
 

Lon Stowell wrote:

> Odd, thought the "Thing" was intended to be more like the rather
> successful Kubelwagen, seen here flirting with the Jeep:
>
> http://www.olive-drab.com/images/id_...agen_full2.jpg

No wonder we won that war!

Re: Why Jeeps suck.
 

>I might, and so would a lot of other people, if the car was repeatedly
>advertised and proclaimed by the manufacturer as a super-duper amazing
>cargo hauling vehicle.

Do you belive everything a company claims about a product? Do you
belive everything you see in a TV ad?

Do you really think in that old GMC commercial a 1 ton with a durmax
desiel can haul a boat that weighs serveral thosund tons onto the
shore?

Do they use a Ford Super Duty to help pull ice breakers through ice
when they get stuck?

Can you stack furnature 30' high on the top of an old VW beetle like
in the Ikea commercial?

Do electronic-ab machines really work?

Does pepsi really make old people start to dance and party like
they did when they were younger?

Does KIA really make a quality vehicle like they claim?

And what's really bad -- I tryed that herbal shampoo -- I even
washed my hair and extra three times -- and not once did I break out
into near orgasmic pleasure...

The liberty is what it is -- a decent mid-sized street SUV.. it can
handle minor offroad use, but never was really ment to see serious
off-highway use.

Re: Why Jeeps suck.
 

"Liberty's Jeep-engineered coil spring independent front suspension combines
excellent overall ride, handling and precise steering control with
Rubicon-tested capabilities. Professional driver. Do not try this yourself."

:-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
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: "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
news:<F%v_a.8702$VG.271644@news20.bellglobal.com>. ..
: > > About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty.
: >
: > This was your first problem.. you bought a car based suvee thing.. not a
: > J**P...
: >
:
: Oh, that's just wonderful. Thank you so much for that insight. Can you
: please refer me to where in the Chrysler catalog it points out that
: the Liberty is any less capable than the rest of the jeep product
: line?

Re: Why Jeeps suck.
 

They may have also neglected to mention that this was
Rubicon Nebraska, a state known for less vertical change
than your average snooker table.

Approximately 8/14/03 15:58, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:

> "Liberty's Jeep-engineered coil spring independent front suspension combines
> excellent overall ride, handling and precise steering control with
> Rubicon-tested capabilities. Professional driver. Do not try this yourself."
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:c7ff7456.0308132056.67c8579d@posting.google.c om...
> : "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:<F%v_a.8702$VG.271644@news20.bellglobal.com>. ..
> : > > About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty.
> : >
> : > This was your first problem.. you bought a car based suvee thing.. not a
> : > J**P...
> : >
> :
> : Oh, that's just wonderful. Thank you so much for that insight. Can you
> : please refer me to where in the Chrysler catalog it points out that
> : the Liberty is any less capable than the rest of the jeep product
> : line?
>
>

Re: Why Jeeps suck.
 

Aw, c'mon, Bill... You can't blame that one on dyslexia! Admit it, your
fingers got ahead of your brain this time... ;)

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I thought I had caught that, I meant almost as bad. a little
> dyslexic problem I have.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > "The Germans are the worst driver of the world, nearly as bad as the
> > Japanese."
> > Wouldn't that make the Japenese the worst and not the Germans???
Besides,
> > everbody knows that the WORST drivers are minivan drivers... I rented
one
> > once and I felt my driving skills drop 30-40%

Re: Why Jeeps suck.
 

Garman,
Great job man! Gaining the ability to drive off road happens over years
or decades of trial and error. Too bad you gung ho'd it first time out. I
sell JEEPs for a living and to quote you "...but that is what I wanted..." I
used to do monthly off road driving/trail riding for my new JEEP clients and
the ones who thought they new it all only came once ended up with high
repair bills. Talk to a local JEEP or 4x4 club; they will show you "the
ropes". The Liberty you own is a fine vehicle and is quite capable on
trails; please allow someone to show you how to use it.
John MacLennan
_________________________________________
I build 'em ,I drive 'em and I sell 'em!
"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
> vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
> all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
> nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> go jeeping in tough terrain.
>
> Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> and grinding all over the place. I got stuck repeatedly. I
> understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
> but this was ridiculous; I wasn't going anywhere and was routinely
> being passed up by people in other kinds of vehicles. Finally a
> particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
> Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
> less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
> addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
> damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
> obvious.)
>
> Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
> wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
> advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!" I
> protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
> bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
> the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These Jeeps are not
> intended for serious off road use."
>
> So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>
> I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
> piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
> should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
> manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
> again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
>
> I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> pieces of junk!

Re: Why Jeeps suck.
 

jmeyer21@aol.com (Jim Meyer) wrote:

> Per an posting you sent earlier this month, you have an older Jeep.
>
> Now you bought a new Liberty and took it Moab? It doesn't smell right...
>

So what? I don't see what a broken down 30 year old AMC-built beater
has to do with the situation on the new Liberty. Is there some secret
rule here that you're only allowed to own one vehicle at a time?

I also don't understand why there is so much hostility and negative
resposne to me here. What, are you all investors in the stock of
Third Reich motors, err, I mean, Daimler Chrysler Corporation?

Maybe it is "obvious" to you blue collar people who have been raised
as grease monkeys and could build your own jeep from some spare wiring
and raw sheet metal, but the vast majority of the public buys a car
for a specific purpose as advertised by the manufacturer, and can't
change their own oil or flat tire, much less re-engineer the
automobile to determine if it's appropriate for a particular use
contrary to the manufacturer's statements. If I bought a truck, I
would expect it to have a cargo bed. If I bought an economy coupe, I
would expect it to get good gas mileage. When I bought a jeep, I
expected it to be able to go off road.

Much has been made by the brainwashed Chrysler slaves here of how the
Liberty is so much worse than the other jeep lines. Well even if
that's true, how is the typical consumer supposed to know that? Yes,
I know that all true jeep geniuses such as you people are born with
the knowledge already programmed into their infant brains, but what
about the rest of us mortals? The Liberty is proclaimed in all
Chrylser publications as merely another member of the jeep line. All
the commercials show it right along with hte Grand Cherokee and
Wrangler, each climbing happily over rocks together. They even say
in their literature that all JEep vehicles - Liberty included - are
Rubicon capable. NOWHERE is it EVER pointed out that one jeep vehicle
might be less capable than others.

Re: Why Jeeps suck.
 

"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> I also don't understand why there is so much hostility and negative
> resposne to me here. What, are you all investors in the stock of
> Third Reich motors, err, I mean, Daimler Chrysler Corporation?

No, it's just because you're an IDIOT!


>
> Maybe it is "obvious" to you blue collar people who have been raised
> as grease monkeys and could build your own jeep from some spare wiring
> and raw sheet metal, but the vast majority of the public buys a car
> for a specific purpose as advertised by the manufacturer, and can't
> change their own oil or flat tire, much less re-engineer the
> automobile to determine if it's appropriate for a particular use
> contrary to the manufacturer's statements.

And MOST people know that ALL advertising 'stretches' the truth...apparantly
you're too stupid, though, and probably shouldn't be allowed out in public
without a competent, responsible adult to babysit you.