Why does this have Willys in the title?
#231
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Re: OT - Reducing junk mail WAS: Why does this have ****** in the title?
Bill's right, thanks for the heads up!
On Sat, 7 May 2005 14:53:42 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Lee Ayrton did pass the time by typing:
>
>> Perhaps because they contract the service out to a vendor and not do it
>> in-house? As I recall all they wanted was a mailing address and name,
>> nothing more personal or useful. In any case it cut the flood of credit
>> card offers from a few a day to a few a quarter. YMMV.
>
>I went there and they wanted not only my name and address but my SSN
>and phone number (unlisted and on the DNC registry).
>
>Since it's possible to contact the credit bureau directly I'll take
>that route. Color me parinoid.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
On Sat, 7 May 2005 14:53:42 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Lee Ayrton did pass the time by typing:
>
>> Perhaps because they contract the service out to a vendor and not do it
>> in-house? As I recall all they wanted was a mailing address and name,
>> nothing more personal or useful. In any case it cut the flood of credit
>> card offers from a few a day to a few a quarter. YMMV.
>
>I went there and they wanted not only my name and address but my SSN
>and phone number (unlisted and on the DNC registry).
>
>Since it's possible to contact the credit bureau directly I'll take
>that route. Color me parinoid.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
#232
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Re: OT - Reducing junk mail WAS: Why does this have ****** in the title?
Bill's right, thanks for the heads up!
On Sat, 7 May 2005 14:53:42 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Lee Ayrton did pass the time by typing:
>
>> Perhaps because they contract the service out to a vendor and not do it
>> in-house? As I recall all they wanted was a mailing address and name,
>> nothing more personal or useful. In any case it cut the flood of credit
>> card offers from a few a day to a few a quarter. YMMV.
>
>I went there and they wanted not only my name and address but my SSN
>and phone number (unlisted and on the DNC registry).
>
>Since it's possible to contact the credit bureau directly I'll take
>that route. Color me parinoid.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
On Sat, 7 May 2005 14:53:42 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Lee Ayrton did pass the time by typing:
>
>> Perhaps because they contract the service out to a vendor and not do it
>> in-house? As I recall all they wanted was a mailing address and name,
>> nothing more personal or useful. In any case it cut the flood of credit
>> card offers from a few a day to a few a quarter. YMMV.
>
>I went there and they wanted not only my name and address but my SSN
>and phone number (unlisted and on the DNC registry).
>
>Since it's possible to contact the credit bureau directly I'll take
>that route. Color me parinoid.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
#233
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Re: OT - Reducing junk mail WAS: Why does this have ****** in the title?
Bill's right, thanks for the heads up!
On Sat, 7 May 2005 14:53:42 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Lee Ayrton did pass the time by typing:
>
>> Perhaps because they contract the service out to a vendor and not do it
>> in-house? As I recall all they wanted was a mailing address and name,
>> nothing more personal or useful. In any case it cut the flood of credit
>> card offers from a few a day to a few a quarter. YMMV.
>
>I went there and they wanted not only my name and address but my SSN
>and phone number (unlisted and on the DNC registry).
>
>Since it's possible to contact the credit bureau directly I'll take
>that route. Color me parinoid.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
On Sat, 7 May 2005 14:53:42 -0500, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Lee Ayrton did pass the time by typing:
>
>> Perhaps because they contract the service out to a vendor and not do it
>> in-house? As I recall all they wanted was a mailing address and name,
>> nothing more personal or useful. In any case it cut the flood of credit
>> card offers from a few a day to a few a quarter. YMMV.
>
>I went there and they wanted not only my name and address but my SSN
>and phone number (unlisted and on the DNC registry).
>
>Since it's possible to contact the credit bureau directly I'll take
>that route. Color me parinoid.
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
#234
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Re: Why does this have ****** in the title?
Lake Ontario beaches from a little east of Toronto all the ways west to
Niagara are closed for good.
Snow...
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:vjhsk2-sve.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
> On Thu, 5 May 2005 12:54:29 -0400, Snow wrote:
>> Depends on if it came from the T.O area or Hamilton :P
>
> How about from the mouth of the Genesee River?
>
> They close the beach often enough for a reason! ;-)
>
> -D
>
>
>> Snow...
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:427A49DF.B37F6144@sympatico.ca...
>>> I'll bet that lake water has more kick.....
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>> Snow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> EWWWW American lite beer.. thats like our Lake Ontario water... :)
>>>>
>>>> Snow...
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:427A3CBD.7B21F442@***.net...
>>>> > I drink Bud lite, because I'm wiser.
>>>> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > Snow wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oh gees Brain don't take Bill the max ice or the triple x beer... he
>>>> >> wont
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> able to handle one bottle let alone a case (I'm guessing the 2nd
>>>> >> case
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> you, or is that a case and half?).
>>>> >> Maybe me and Mike should join ya... we could take him some REAL
>>>> >> BEER.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Snow...
>
> --
> Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
> Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
> Matthew 10:28
>
> www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber:
> dman@dman13.dyndns.org
Niagara are closed for good.
Snow...
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:vjhsk2-sve.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
> On Thu, 5 May 2005 12:54:29 -0400, Snow wrote:
>> Depends on if it came from the T.O area or Hamilton :P
>
> How about from the mouth of the Genesee River?
>
> They close the beach often enough for a reason! ;-)
>
> -D
>
>
>> Snow...
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:427A49DF.B37F6144@sympatico.ca...
>>> I'll bet that lake water has more kick.....
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>> Snow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> EWWWW American lite beer.. thats like our Lake Ontario water... :)
>>>>
>>>> Snow...
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:427A3CBD.7B21F442@***.net...
>>>> > I drink Bud lite, because I'm wiser.
>>>> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > Snow wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oh gees Brain don't take Bill the max ice or the triple x beer... he
>>>> >> wont
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> able to handle one bottle let alone a case (I'm guessing the 2nd
>>>> >> case
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> you, or is that a case and half?).
>>>> >> Maybe me and Mike should join ya... we could take him some REAL
>>>> >> BEER.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Snow...
>
> --
> Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
> Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
> Matthew 10:28
>
> www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber:
> dman@dman13.dyndns.org
#235
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Re: Why does this have ****** in the title?
Lake Ontario beaches from a little east of Toronto all the ways west to
Niagara are closed for good.
Snow...
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:vjhsk2-sve.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
> On Thu, 5 May 2005 12:54:29 -0400, Snow wrote:
>> Depends on if it came from the T.O area or Hamilton :P
>
> How about from the mouth of the Genesee River?
>
> They close the beach often enough for a reason! ;-)
>
> -D
>
>
>> Snow...
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:427A49DF.B37F6144@sympatico.ca...
>>> I'll bet that lake water has more kick.....
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>> Snow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> EWWWW American lite beer.. thats like our Lake Ontario water... :)
>>>>
>>>> Snow...
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:427A3CBD.7B21F442@***.net...
>>>> > I drink Bud lite, because I'm wiser.
>>>> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > Snow wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oh gees Brain don't take Bill the max ice or the triple x beer... he
>>>> >> wont
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> able to handle one bottle let alone a case (I'm guessing the 2nd
>>>> >> case
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> you, or is that a case and half?).
>>>> >> Maybe me and Mike should join ya... we could take him some REAL
>>>> >> BEER.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Snow...
>
> --
> Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
> Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
> Matthew 10:28
>
> www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber:
> dman@dman13.dyndns.org
Niagara are closed for good.
Snow...
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:vjhsk2-sve.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
> On Thu, 5 May 2005 12:54:29 -0400, Snow wrote:
>> Depends on if it came from the T.O area or Hamilton :P
>
> How about from the mouth of the Genesee River?
>
> They close the beach often enough for a reason! ;-)
>
> -D
>
>
>> Snow...
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:427A49DF.B37F6144@sympatico.ca...
>>> I'll bet that lake water has more kick.....
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>> Snow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> EWWWW American lite beer.. thats like our Lake Ontario water... :)
>>>>
>>>> Snow...
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:427A3CBD.7B21F442@***.net...
>>>> > I drink Bud lite, because I'm wiser.
>>>> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > Snow wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oh gees Brain don't take Bill the max ice or the triple x beer... he
>>>> >> wont
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> able to handle one bottle let alone a case (I'm guessing the 2nd
>>>> >> case
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> you, or is that a case and half?).
>>>> >> Maybe me and Mike should join ya... we could take him some REAL
>>>> >> BEER.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Snow...
>
> --
> Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
> Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
> Matthew 10:28
>
> www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber:
> dman@dman13.dyndns.org
#236
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Re: Why does this have ****** in the title?
Lake Ontario beaches from a little east of Toronto all the ways west to
Niagara are closed for good.
Snow...
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:vjhsk2-sve.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
> On Thu, 5 May 2005 12:54:29 -0400, Snow wrote:
>> Depends on if it came from the T.O area or Hamilton :P
>
> How about from the mouth of the Genesee River?
>
> They close the beach often enough for a reason! ;-)
>
> -D
>
>
>> Snow...
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:427A49DF.B37F6144@sympatico.ca...
>>> I'll bet that lake water has more kick.....
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>> Snow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> EWWWW American lite beer.. thats like our Lake Ontario water... :)
>>>>
>>>> Snow...
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:427A3CBD.7B21F442@***.net...
>>>> > I drink Bud lite, because I'm wiser.
>>>> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > Snow wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oh gees Brain don't take Bill the max ice or the triple x beer... he
>>>> >> wont
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> able to handle one bottle let alone a case (I'm guessing the 2nd
>>>> >> case
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> you, or is that a case and half?).
>>>> >> Maybe me and Mike should join ya... we could take him some REAL
>>>> >> BEER.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Snow...
>
> --
> Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
> Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
> Matthew 10:28
>
> www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber:
> dman@dman13.dyndns.org
Niagara are closed for good.
Snow...
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:vjhsk2-sve.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
> On Thu, 5 May 2005 12:54:29 -0400, Snow wrote:
>> Depends on if it came from the T.O area or Hamilton :P
>
> How about from the mouth of the Genesee River?
>
> They close the beach often enough for a reason! ;-)
>
> -D
>
>
>> Snow...
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:427A49DF.B37F6144@sympatico.ca...
>>> I'll bet that lake water has more kick.....
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>> Snow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> EWWWW American lite beer.. thats like our Lake Ontario water... :)
>>>>
>>>> Snow...
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:427A3CBD.7B21F442@***.net...
>>>> > I drink Bud lite, because I'm wiser.
>>>> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > Snow wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oh gees Brain don't take Bill the max ice or the triple x beer... he
>>>> >> wont
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> able to handle one bottle let alone a case (I'm guessing the 2nd
>>>> >> case
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> you, or is that a case and half?).
>>>> >> Maybe me and Mike should join ya... we could take him some REAL
>>>> >> BEER.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Snow...
>
> --
> Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
> Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
> Matthew 10:28
>
> www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber:
> dman@dman13.dyndns.org
#237
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Re: Why does this have ****** in the title?
Lake Ontario beaches from a little east of Toronto all the ways west to
Niagara are closed for good.
Snow...
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:vjhsk2-sve.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
> On Thu, 5 May 2005 12:54:29 -0400, Snow wrote:
>> Depends on if it came from the T.O area or Hamilton :P
>
> How about from the mouth of the Genesee River?
>
> They close the beach often enough for a reason! ;-)
>
> -D
>
>
>> Snow...
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:427A49DF.B37F6144@sympatico.ca...
>>> I'll bet that lake water has more kick.....
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>> Snow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> EWWWW American lite beer.. thats like our Lake Ontario water... :)
>>>>
>>>> Snow...
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:427A3CBD.7B21F442@***.net...
>>>> > I drink Bud lite, because I'm wiser.
>>>> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > Snow wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oh gees Brain don't take Bill the max ice or the triple x beer... he
>>>> >> wont
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> able to handle one bottle let alone a case (I'm guessing the 2nd
>>>> >> case
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> you, or is that a case and half?).
>>>> >> Maybe me and Mike should join ya... we could take him some REAL
>>>> >> BEER.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Snow...
>
> --
> Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
> Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
> Matthew 10:28
>
> www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber:
> dman@dman13.dyndns.org
Niagara are closed for good.
Snow...
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:vjhsk2-sve.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
> On Thu, 5 May 2005 12:54:29 -0400, Snow wrote:
>> Depends on if it came from the T.O area or Hamilton :P
>
> How about from the mouth of the Genesee River?
>
> They close the beach often enough for a reason! ;-)
>
> -D
>
>
>> Snow...
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:427A49DF.B37F6144@sympatico.ca...
>>> I'll bet that lake water has more kick.....
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>> Snow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> EWWWW American lite beer.. thats like our Lake Ontario water... :)
>>>>
>>>> Snow...
>>>>
>>>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:427A3CBD.7B21F442@***.net...
>>>> > I drink Bud lite, because I'm wiser.
>>>> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > Snow wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oh gees Brain don't take Bill the max ice or the triple x beer... he
>>>> >> wont
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> able to handle one bottle let alone a case (I'm guessing the 2nd
>>>> >> case
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> you, or is that a case and half?).
>>>> >> Maybe me and Mike should join ya... we could take him some REAL
>>>> >> BEER.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Snow...
>
> --
> Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
> Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
> Matthew 10:28
>
> www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber:
> dman@dman13.dyndns.org
#238
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Re: Why does this have ****** in the title?
Tom Levigne proclaimed:
> ****** hasn't made Jeeps for over 40 years! In fact ****** went out of
> business over 40 years ago?
>
> Kaiser made Jeeps until 1971 and then American Motors Corp. made them until
> 1987 and then Chrysler made them until 1999 and now DaimlerChrysler which is
> a German company owns Jeep Corporation as a subsidiary.
>
> Do people in here really not understand this?
>
> Most of the posts here don't have anything to do with ****** Jeeps. Why is
> ****** in the title of this newsgroup?
What's your point?
> ****** hasn't made Jeeps for over 40 years! In fact ****** went out of
> business over 40 years ago?
>
> Kaiser made Jeeps until 1971 and then American Motors Corp. made them until
> 1987 and then Chrysler made them until 1999 and now DaimlerChrysler which is
> a German company owns Jeep Corporation as a subsidiary.
>
> Do people in here really not understand this?
>
> Most of the posts here don't have anything to do with ****** Jeeps. Why is
> ****** in the title of this newsgroup?
What's your point?
#239
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Re: Why does this have ****** in the title?
Tom Levigne proclaimed:
> ****** hasn't made Jeeps for over 40 years! In fact ****** went out of
> business over 40 years ago?
>
> Kaiser made Jeeps until 1971 and then American Motors Corp. made them until
> 1987 and then Chrysler made them until 1999 and now DaimlerChrysler which is
> a German company owns Jeep Corporation as a subsidiary.
>
> Do people in here really not understand this?
>
> Most of the posts here don't have anything to do with ****** Jeeps. Why is
> ****** in the title of this newsgroup?
What's your point?
> ****** hasn't made Jeeps for over 40 years! In fact ****** went out of
> business over 40 years ago?
>
> Kaiser made Jeeps until 1971 and then American Motors Corp. made them until
> 1987 and then Chrysler made them until 1999 and now DaimlerChrysler which is
> a German company owns Jeep Corporation as a subsidiary.
>
> Do people in here really not understand this?
>
> Most of the posts here don't have anything to do with ****** Jeeps. Why is
> ****** in the title of this newsgroup?
What's your point?
#240
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Re: Why does this have ****** in the title?
Tom Levigne proclaimed:
> ****** hasn't made Jeeps for over 40 years! In fact ****** went out of
> business over 40 years ago?
>
> Kaiser made Jeeps until 1971 and then American Motors Corp. made them until
> 1987 and then Chrysler made them until 1999 and now DaimlerChrysler which is
> a German company owns Jeep Corporation as a subsidiary.
>
> Do people in here really not understand this?
>
> Most of the posts here don't have anything to do with ****** Jeeps. Why is
> ****** in the title of this newsgroup?
What's your point?
> ****** hasn't made Jeeps for over 40 years! In fact ****** went out of
> business over 40 years ago?
>
> Kaiser made Jeeps until 1971 and then American Motors Corp. made them until
> 1987 and then Chrysler made them until 1999 and now DaimlerChrysler which is
> a German company owns Jeep Corporation as a subsidiary.
>
> Do people in here really not understand this?
>
> Most of the posts here don't have anything to do with ****** Jeeps. Why is
> ****** in the title of this newsgroup?
What's your point?