Dave Milne

The Liberty is heavier than the TJ ; yes TJs are over priced.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"herman" <where@you.there> wrote in message
news:HtPBc.3029$bGI.1115@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> just shows how weak and little the liberty is, made of plastic and they
can
> afford the extra,s
>
>
> the Tj is made of metal and can hold its own.
>
>
>
> "Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:KlOBc.86401$eu.42958@attbi_s02...
> > I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
> > does get it for free either.
> >
> > Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.
> >
> > My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
> > are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
> > the name! I was wondering if other people were
> > aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?
> >
> > --Charlie
> >
> >
> > "jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> > news:mmbfd09mri3k5rf5hlkmqfm50mp6p5ruj5@4ax.com...
> > > Wranglers have solid axles (no IFS). They are selling the name also.
> The
> > Libby is
> > > new. The Wrangler has been around for years. The wrangler is for off
> > road. The
> > > Libby is for occasional off road. Most of that which you have listed
> is
> > absolutly
> > > useless to many of the people here. We bought our Wranglers for off
> road
> > rigs, not
> > > for cushy comfort in and about town. Your other big thing with the
> > Wranglers....the
> > > tops are made to come off! Who needs a/c when you can go
> topless????!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:26:49 GMT, "Charlie Dellacona"
> > <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >>Thinking about a new vehicle.
> > > >>
> > > >>I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
> > > >>liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
> > > >>engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
> > > >>thingy.
> > > >>
> > > >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
> > > >>
> > > >>Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
> > > >>only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
> > > >>no block heater.
> > > >>
> > > >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
> > > >>
> > > >>For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
> > > >>
> > > >>Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
> > > >>Same Transmission
> > > >>Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
> > > >>
> > > >>Side Air Bags
> > > >>6 CD Changer
> > > >>Heated Seats
> > > >>Leather Seats
> > > >>6 way power seats
> > > >>Power heated folding mirrors
> > > >>Overhead Console
> > > >>(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
> > > >>Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
> > > >>Power Sunroof
> > > >>Power Windows
> > > >>Power Locks
> > > >>
> > > >>The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
> > > >>8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
> > > >>Better tires/wheels.
> > > >>
> > > >>My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
> > > >>on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
> > > >>any modern features?
> > > >>
> > > >>Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
> > > >>is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
> > > >>something here?
> > > >>
> > > >>BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
> > > >>the Unlimited thing)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

mabar

Charlie:

The plain and simple fact is that the Wrangler is WAY overpriced. But, the
law of supply and demand is such that we Jeepers keep buying them, so DC can
keep charging these high prices.

That being said, I love my Wrangler.

Tom

"Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KlOBc.86401$eu.42958@attbi_s02...
> I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
> does get it for free either.
>
> Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.
>
> My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
> are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
> the name! I was wondering if other people were
> aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?
>
> --Charlie
snip

mabar

Charlie:

The plain and simple fact is that the Wrangler is WAY overpriced. But, the
law of supply and demand is such that we Jeepers keep buying them, so DC can
keep charging these high prices.

That being said, I love my Wrangler.

Tom

"Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KlOBc.86401$eu.42958@attbi_s02...
> I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
> does get it for free either.
>
> Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.
>
> My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
> are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
> the name! I was wondering if other people were
> aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?
>
> --Charlie
snip

mabar

Charlie:

The plain and simple fact is that the Wrangler is WAY overpriced. But, the
law of supply and demand is such that we Jeepers keep buying them, so DC can
keep charging these high prices.

That being said, I love my Wrangler.

Tom

"Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KlOBc.86401$eu.42958@attbi_s02...
> I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
> does get it for free either.
>
> Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.
>
> My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
> are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
> the name! I was wondering if other people were
> aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?
>
> --Charlie
snip

mabar

Charlie:

The plain and simple fact is that the Wrangler is WAY overpriced. But, the
law of supply and demand is such that we Jeepers keep buying them, so DC can
keep charging these high prices.

That being said, I love my Wrangler.

Tom

"Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KlOBc.86401$eu.42958@attbi_s02...
> I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
> does get it for free either.
>
> Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.
>
> My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
> are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
> the name! I was wondering if other people were
> aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?
>
> --Charlie
snip

Paw

6 speed manual for 05 :)))))


"Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ZFNBc.86209$eu.34452@attbi_s02...
>
> Thinking about a new vehicle.
>
> I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
> liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
> engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
> thingy.
>
> MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
>
> Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
> only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
> no block heater.
>
> MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
>
> For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
>
> Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
> Same Transmission
> Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
>
> Side Air Bags
> 6 CD Changer
> Heated Seats
> Leather Seats
> 6 way power seats
> Power heated folding mirrors
> Overhead Console
> (Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
> Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
> Power Sunroof
> Power Windows
> Power Locks
>
> The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
> 8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
> Better tires/wheels.
>
> My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
> on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
> any modern features?
>
> Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
> is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
> something here?
>
> BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
> the Unlimited thing)
>
>
>

Paw

6 speed manual for 05 :)))))


"Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ZFNBc.86209$eu.34452@attbi_s02...
>
> Thinking about a new vehicle.
>
> I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
> liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
> engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
> thingy.
>
> MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
>
> Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
> only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
> no block heater.
>
> MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
>
> For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
>
> Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
> Same Transmission
> Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
>
> Side Air Bags
> 6 CD Changer
> Heated Seats
> Leather Seats
> 6 way power seats
> Power heated folding mirrors
> Overhead Console
> (Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
> Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
> Power Sunroof
> Power Windows
> Power Locks
>
> The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
> 8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
> Better tires/wheels.
>
> My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
> on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
> any modern features?
>
> Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
> is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
> something here?
>
> BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
> the Unlimited thing)
>
>
>

Paw

6 speed manual for 05 :)))))


"Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ZFNBc.86209$eu.34452@attbi_s02...
>
> Thinking about a new vehicle.
>
> I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
> liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
> engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
> thingy.
>
> MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
>
> Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
> only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
> no block heater.
>
> MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
>
> For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
>
> Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
> Same Transmission
> Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
>
> Side Air Bags
> 6 CD Changer
> Heated Seats
> Leather Seats
> 6 way power seats
> Power heated folding mirrors
> Overhead Console
> (Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
> Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
> Power Sunroof
> Power Windows
> Power Locks
>
> The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
> 8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
> Better tires/wheels.
>
> My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
> on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
> any modern features?
>
> Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
> is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
> something here?
>
> BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
> the Unlimited thing)
>
>
>

Paw

6 speed manual for 05 :)))))


"Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ZFNBc.86209$eu.34452@attbi_s02...
>
> Thinking about a new vehicle.
>
> I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
> liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
> engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
> thingy.
>
> MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
>
> Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
> only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
> no block heater.
>
> MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
>
> For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
>
> Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
> Same Transmission
> Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
>
> Side Air Bags
> 6 CD Changer
> Heated Seats
> Leather Seats
> 6 way power seats
> Power heated folding mirrors
> Overhead Console
> (Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
> Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
> Power Sunroof
> Power Windows
> Power Locks
>
> The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
> 8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
> Better tires/wheels.
>
> My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
> on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
> any modern features?
>
> Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
> is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
> something here?
>
> BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
> the Unlimited thing)
>
>
>

twaldron

There is no competition for the Wrangler and there is a high demand.

Charlie Dellacona wrote:

> I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
> does get it for free either.
>
> Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.
>
> My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
> are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
> the name! I was wondering if other people were
> aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?
>
> --Charlie
>

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Function: noun
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