Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
How many people are at your town council meeting in Silverton? ;)
tw __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ Earle Horton wrote: > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is insane. > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way, "those > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be > dishing out. > > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting. > > Earle |
Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
How many people are at your town council meeting in Silverton? ;)
tw __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ Earle Horton wrote: > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is insane. > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way, "those > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be > dishing out. > > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting. > > Earle |
Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
How many people are at your town council meeting in Silverton? ;)
tw __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ Earle Horton wrote: > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is insane. > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way, "those > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be > dishing out. > > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting. > > Earle |
Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Have you ever broken a lug installing or removing a nut? While I have
never, ever lubed lugs, grease just seems incredibly heavy. Have you tried just a drop of plain machine oil? tw __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ JD Adams wrote: > Yesterday was a semi-nice day, so I decided to catch up on some > maintenance --oil and filter change (M1 the Puro 30001 sure works nice > on a 4.0!), TB cleaning, new Puro air filter, front-end lube, powerwash > engine and fenderwells, a quick run through the local car wash, the > usual. Work is slow right now and I'm bored. > > I later decided to go the extra mile and do a 4-wheel tire rotation and > change out those el-cheapo OEM lug nuts with a good set of heavily > chromed, forged steel lugs. While I had one side up in the air doing > my thing, a neighbor commented on my practice of applying bearing > grease to the studs before torquing the nuts down to 90 ft/lbs. > > He claims that it's a bad practice, and that the lugs will loosen over > time because of it. I politely disagreed, saying that it is the > friction between the tapered nut face and the wheel that keeps > everything tight rather than friction from fastener threadfaces, and > that the only real way to get good, accurate, consistant torque is to > put a TINY BIT of lubricant on the threads before reassembly. > > I know this all sounds petty, but I'm wondering if anyone here has > heard of mishaps that were the direct result of 'lug nut greasin'? I > like knowing that the nuts will spin off easily many years later and > won't rust up, no matter how much muck I plow through. And I make sure > everything is cool to the touch before everthing gets tightened down > --all pretty common sense stuff IMO. > > Am I offbase here? Admittedly, this is 'old-school' technology, but it > makes a lot of sense to me, much like 'priming' the engine after an oil > change before actually firing it up. (Yeah, I do that too; I > disconnect the crank sensor, then reset the MIL when I'm done.) > > -JD > |
Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Have you ever broken a lug installing or removing a nut? While I have
never, ever lubed lugs, grease just seems incredibly heavy. Have you tried just a drop of plain machine oil? tw __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ JD Adams wrote: > Yesterday was a semi-nice day, so I decided to catch up on some > maintenance --oil and filter change (M1 the Puro 30001 sure works nice > on a 4.0!), TB cleaning, new Puro air filter, front-end lube, powerwash > engine and fenderwells, a quick run through the local car wash, the > usual. Work is slow right now and I'm bored. > > I later decided to go the extra mile and do a 4-wheel tire rotation and > change out those el-cheapo OEM lug nuts with a good set of heavily > chromed, forged steel lugs. While I had one side up in the air doing > my thing, a neighbor commented on my practice of applying bearing > grease to the studs before torquing the nuts down to 90 ft/lbs. > > He claims that it's a bad practice, and that the lugs will loosen over > time because of it. I politely disagreed, saying that it is the > friction between the tapered nut face and the wheel that keeps > everything tight rather than friction from fastener threadfaces, and > that the only real way to get good, accurate, consistant torque is to > put a TINY BIT of lubricant on the threads before reassembly. > > I know this all sounds petty, but I'm wondering if anyone here has > heard of mishaps that were the direct result of 'lug nut greasin'? I > like knowing that the nuts will spin off easily many years later and > won't rust up, no matter how much muck I plow through. And I make sure > everything is cool to the touch before everthing gets tightened down > --all pretty common sense stuff IMO. > > Am I offbase here? Admittedly, this is 'old-school' technology, but it > makes a lot of sense to me, much like 'priming' the engine after an oil > change before actually firing it up. (Yeah, I do that too; I > disconnect the crank sensor, then reset the MIL when I'm done.) > > -JD > |
Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Have you ever broken a lug installing or removing a nut? While I have
never, ever lubed lugs, grease just seems incredibly heavy. Have you tried just a drop of plain machine oil? tw __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ JD Adams wrote: > Yesterday was a semi-nice day, so I decided to catch up on some > maintenance --oil and filter change (M1 the Puro 30001 sure works nice > on a 4.0!), TB cleaning, new Puro air filter, front-end lube, powerwash > engine and fenderwells, a quick run through the local car wash, the > usual. Work is slow right now and I'm bored. > > I later decided to go the extra mile and do a 4-wheel tire rotation and > change out those el-cheapo OEM lug nuts with a good set of heavily > chromed, forged steel lugs. While I had one side up in the air doing > my thing, a neighbor commented on my practice of applying bearing > grease to the studs before torquing the nuts down to 90 ft/lbs. > > He claims that it's a bad practice, and that the lugs will loosen over > time because of it. I politely disagreed, saying that it is the > friction between the tapered nut face and the wheel that keeps > everything tight rather than friction from fastener threadfaces, and > that the only real way to get good, accurate, consistant torque is to > put a TINY BIT of lubricant on the threads before reassembly. > > I know this all sounds petty, but I'm wondering if anyone here has > heard of mishaps that were the direct result of 'lug nut greasin'? I > like knowing that the nuts will spin off easily many years later and > won't rust up, no matter how much muck I plow through. And I make sure > everything is cool to the touch before everthing gets tightened down > --all pretty common sense stuff IMO. > > Am I offbase here? Admittedly, this is 'old-school' technology, but it > makes a lot of sense to me, much like 'priming' the engine after an oil > change before actually firing it up. (Yeah, I do that too; I > disconnect the crank sensor, then reset the MIL when I'm done.) > > -JD > |
Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Have you ever broken a lug installing or removing a nut? While I have
never, ever lubed lugs, grease just seems incredibly heavy. Have you tried just a drop of plain machine oil? tw __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ JD Adams wrote: > Yesterday was a semi-nice day, so I decided to catch up on some > maintenance --oil and filter change (M1 the Puro 30001 sure works nice > on a 4.0!), TB cleaning, new Puro air filter, front-end lube, powerwash > engine and fenderwells, a quick run through the local car wash, the > usual. Work is slow right now and I'm bored. > > I later decided to go the extra mile and do a 4-wheel tire rotation and > change out those el-cheapo OEM lug nuts with a good set of heavily > chromed, forged steel lugs. While I had one side up in the air doing > my thing, a neighbor commented on my practice of applying bearing > grease to the studs before torquing the nuts down to 90 ft/lbs. > > He claims that it's a bad practice, and that the lugs will loosen over > time because of it. I politely disagreed, saying that it is the > friction between the tapered nut face and the wheel that keeps > everything tight rather than friction from fastener threadfaces, and > that the only real way to get good, accurate, consistant torque is to > put a TINY BIT of lubricant on the threads before reassembly. > > I know this all sounds petty, but I'm wondering if anyone here has > heard of mishaps that were the direct result of 'lug nut greasin'? I > like knowing that the nuts will spin off easily many years later and > won't rust up, no matter how much muck I plow through. And I make sure > everything is cool to the touch before everthing gets tightened down > --all pretty common sense stuff IMO. > > Am I offbase here? Admittedly, this is 'old-school' technology, but it > makes a lot of sense to me, much like 'priming' the engine after an oil > change before actually firing it up. (Yeah, I do that too; I > disconnect the crank sensor, then reset the MIL when I'm done.) > > -JD > |
Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
I think that's EVERY city council's description.
tw __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote: > Hi Earle, > My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be > televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools, > quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes > about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to > apartment zoning. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O |
Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
I think that's EVERY city council's description.
tw __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote: > Hi Earle, > My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be > televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools, > quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes > about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to > apartment zoning. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O |
Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
I think that's EVERY city council's description.
tw __________________________________________________ ___________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. __________________________________________________ ___________________ L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote: > Hi Earle, > My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be > televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools, > quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes > about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to > apartment zoning. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O |
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