Mike Romain

99% of the time that means you have dropped one needle under the cap and
it is holding it from going tighter. I use heavy grease to hold the
needles in place. Or you have the wrong joint..... Or the 'coupler' got
bent because a hammer was used 'too hard' taking out the old u-joints.
(saw that recently, someone used a 'big' hammer to get them out and bent
the yoke ears)

That coupler is now garbage in my opinion. Even the side not broken
looks already cracked or stressed at the same shear point as what fell
off. That joint looks like it was vibrated pretty bad to crack those
retainer casts or you or the last guy really beat the crap out of it
with a hammer.... Does the other side also show fatigue/stress cracks
around that ring area?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Carl Saiyed wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bill and Jeff. I got the new part.. $45.00
>
> Got home, put it on, all the pins crashed to the bottom of the new one! I
> was able to get them all back in order on the inside of the ball with my
> tweezers.. I then got the new joint in only to discover a *new* problem.
>
> The new joints won't fit inside of what I can only describe as the
> "coupler".. the part that hooks the caps of the two joints together. The
> semi-circle shaped clips fit into retaining grooves cut into the coupler and
> hold the bearing caps in. The bearing cap slides snugly into the coupler but
> with the joint in, the caps won't go far enough into the joint/couplerto
> permit me to install the clips. The caps look like they have bottomed out on
> the joint. I need less than 1mm more of the cap to go into the coupler for
> the clip to fit in.
>
> I tried putting one clip in, turning the assembly over and giving the other
> cap a whack with the hammer and socket.. I ended up breaking 1/2 the clip
> ridge out of the coupler (see picture). Is the coupler still useable? Do I
> have the wrong joint? Can I grind down the clip? The top of one of the
> bearing caps?
>
> http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/coupler.JPG
>
> Thanks..
>
> Carl
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4212C8B9.D20BE848@***.net...
> > Hi Carl,
> > I just use a pencil to push them back into place:
> > http://www.----------.com/CVJoint.jpg There plenty of room to spring the
> > socket yoke back to slip in their bearing caps, like it doesn't have go
> > together all at the same time.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > 89 XJ 4.0 5spd
> > >
> > > Now that I got the lift on, it's time to get all the U-joints changed
> (they
> > > are all worn). I got the front driveshaft out, marked all locations,
> ect. I
> > > was able to use my vice and press out all the caps and get all the old
> > > joints out. The rear portion of the front driveshaft is the
> double-cardon
> > > type. It was a little tricky getting both joints out.
> > >
> > > The portion of the driveshaft that attaches the rearmost of the three
> joints
> > > to the transfer case connects to the driveshaft by slipping onto a
> shaft/pin
> > > that comes out of the driveshaft There is a spring in the shaft/pin, and
> the
> > > part has a ball inside with needle bearings that ride on the shaft/pin.
> Not
> > > the part that connects the two joints together, but the part that that
> bolts
> > > to the transfer case. This is the part I am having trouble with.
> > >
> > > It came off with the rearmost U-joint. No biggie, I thought and
> continued to
> > > assemble the middle joint. The portion in question would not go back
> into
> > > the rubber sleeve and onto the pin it came from.. A few gentle taps with
> a
> > > hammer didnt help. It was greased on the inside, but I ran a little
> grease
> > > around the outside of the part that slides into the rubber sleeve. No
> Luck.
> > > I checked the inside of the ball area and found that about half of the
> > > needle bearings had come out!
> > >
> > > This picture shows the front of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/front.JPG
> > >
> > > This shows the rear of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/rear.jpg
> > >
> > > This is where the part in question attaches to the driveshaft. Note the
> > > lovely needle bearings on the
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/shaft.jpg
> > >
> > > What do I do now?
> > >
> > > Carl

Mike Romain

99% of the time that means you have dropped one needle under the cap and
it is holding it from going tighter. I use heavy grease to hold the
needles in place. Or you have the wrong joint..... Or the 'coupler' got
bent because a hammer was used 'too hard' taking out the old u-joints.
(saw that recently, someone used a 'big' hammer to get them out and bent
the yoke ears)

That coupler is now garbage in my opinion. Even the side not broken
looks already cracked or stressed at the same shear point as what fell
off. That joint looks like it was vibrated pretty bad to crack those
retainer casts or you or the last guy really beat the crap out of it
with a hammer.... Does the other side also show fatigue/stress cracks
around that ring area?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Carl Saiyed wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bill and Jeff. I got the new part.. $45.00
>
> Got home, put it on, all the pins crashed to the bottom of the new one! I
> was able to get them all back in order on the inside of the ball with my
> tweezers.. I then got the new joint in only to discover a *new* problem.
>
> The new joints won't fit inside of what I can only describe as the
> "coupler".. the part that hooks the caps of the two joints together. The
> semi-circle shaped clips fit into retaining grooves cut into the coupler and
> hold the bearing caps in. The bearing cap slides snugly into the coupler but
> with the joint in, the caps won't go far enough into the joint/couplerto
> permit me to install the clips. The caps look like they have bottomed out on
> the joint. I need less than 1mm more of the cap to go into the coupler for
> the clip to fit in.
>
> I tried putting one clip in, turning the assembly over and giving the other
> cap a whack with the hammer and socket.. I ended up breaking 1/2 the clip
> ridge out of the coupler (see picture). Is the coupler still useable? Do I
> have the wrong joint? Can I grind down the clip? The top of one of the
> bearing caps?
>
> http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/coupler.JPG
>
> Thanks..
>
> Carl
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4212C8B9.D20BE848@***.net...
> > Hi Carl,
> > I just use a pencil to push them back into place:
> > http://www.----------.com/CVJoint.jpg There plenty of room to spring the
> > socket yoke back to slip in their bearing caps, like it doesn't have go
> > together all at the same time.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > 89 XJ 4.0 5spd
> > >
> > > Now that I got the lift on, it's time to get all the U-joints changed
> (they
> > > are all worn). I got the front driveshaft out, marked all locations,
> ect. I
> > > was able to use my vice and press out all the caps and get all the old
> > > joints out. The rear portion of the front driveshaft is the
> double-cardon
> > > type. It was a little tricky getting both joints out.
> > >
> > > The portion of the driveshaft that attaches the rearmost of the three
> joints
> > > to the transfer case connects to the driveshaft by slipping onto a
> shaft/pin
> > > that comes out of the driveshaft There is a spring in the shaft/pin, and
> the
> > > part has a ball inside with needle bearings that ride on the shaft/pin.
> Not
> > > the part that connects the two joints together, but the part that that
> bolts
> > > to the transfer case. This is the part I am having trouble with.
> > >
> > > It came off with the rearmost U-joint. No biggie, I thought and
> continued to
> > > assemble the middle joint. The portion in question would not go back
> into
> > > the rubber sleeve and onto the pin it came from.. A few gentle taps with
> a
> > > hammer didnt help. It was greased on the inside, but I ran a little
> grease
> > > around the outside of the part that slides into the rubber sleeve. No
> Luck.
> > > I checked the inside of the ball area and found that about half of the
> > > needle bearings had come out!
> > >
> > > This picture shows the front of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/front.JPG
> > >
> > > This shows the rear of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/rear.jpg
> > >
> > > This is where the part in question attaches to the driveshaft. Note the
> > > lovely needle bearings on the
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/shaft.jpg
> > >
> > > What do I do now?
> > >
> > > Carl

Mike Romain

99% of the time that means you have dropped one needle under the cap and
it is holding it from going tighter. I use heavy grease to hold the
needles in place. Or you have the wrong joint..... Or the 'coupler' got
bent because a hammer was used 'too hard' taking out the old u-joints.
(saw that recently, someone used a 'big' hammer to get them out and bent
the yoke ears)

That coupler is now garbage in my opinion. Even the side not broken
looks already cracked or stressed at the same shear point as what fell
off. That joint looks like it was vibrated pretty bad to crack those
retainer casts or you or the last guy really beat the crap out of it
with a hammer.... Does the other side also show fatigue/stress cracks
around that ring area?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Carl Saiyed wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bill and Jeff. I got the new part.. $45.00
>
> Got home, put it on, all the pins crashed to the bottom of the new one! I
> was able to get them all back in order on the inside of the ball with my
> tweezers.. I then got the new joint in only to discover a *new* problem.
>
> The new joints won't fit inside of what I can only describe as the
> "coupler".. the part that hooks the caps of the two joints together. The
> semi-circle shaped clips fit into retaining grooves cut into the coupler and
> hold the bearing caps in. The bearing cap slides snugly into the coupler but
> with the joint in, the caps won't go far enough into the joint/couplerto
> permit me to install the clips. The caps look like they have bottomed out on
> the joint. I need less than 1mm more of the cap to go into the coupler for
> the clip to fit in.
>
> I tried putting one clip in, turning the assembly over and giving the other
> cap a whack with the hammer and socket.. I ended up breaking 1/2 the clip
> ridge out of the coupler (see picture). Is the coupler still useable? Do I
> have the wrong joint? Can I grind down the clip? The top of one of the
> bearing caps?
>
> http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/coupler.JPG
>
> Thanks..
>
> Carl
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4212C8B9.D20BE848@***.net...
> > Hi Carl,
> > I just use a pencil to push them back into place:
> > http://www.----------.com/CVJoint.jpg There plenty of room to spring the
> > socket yoke back to slip in their bearing caps, like it doesn't have go
> > together all at the same time.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > 89 XJ 4.0 5spd
> > >
> > > Now that I got the lift on, it's time to get all the U-joints changed
> (they
> > > are all worn). I got the front driveshaft out, marked all locations,
> ect. I
> > > was able to use my vice and press out all the caps and get all the old
> > > joints out. The rear portion of the front driveshaft is the
> double-cardon
> > > type. It was a little tricky getting both joints out.
> > >
> > > The portion of the driveshaft that attaches the rearmost of the three
> joints
> > > to the transfer case connects to the driveshaft by slipping onto a
> shaft/pin
> > > that comes out of the driveshaft There is a spring in the shaft/pin, and
> the
> > > part has a ball inside with needle bearings that ride on the shaft/pin.
> Not
> > > the part that connects the two joints together, but the part that that
> bolts
> > > to the transfer case. This is the part I am having trouble with.
> > >
> > > It came off with the rearmost U-joint. No biggie, I thought and
> continued to
> > > assemble the middle joint. The portion in question would not go back
> into
> > > the rubber sleeve and onto the pin it came from.. A few gentle taps with
> a
> > > hammer didnt help. It was greased on the inside, but I ran a little
> grease
> > > around the outside of the part that slides into the rubber sleeve. No
> Luck.
> > > I checked the inside of the ball area and found that about half of the
> > > needle bearings had come out!
> > >
> > > This picture shows the front of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/front.JPG
> > >
> > > This shows the rear of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/rear.jpg
> > >
> > > This is where the part in question attaches to the driveshaft. Note the
> > > lovely needle bearings on the
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/shaft.jpg
> > >
> > > What do I do now?
> > >
> > > Carl

Jeff Strickland

What Mike said.

There is a spring and a pin that fit in the ball thingie, and there are a
dozen or so needle bearings as well. There can be two problems, one is that
one of the needles fell over, the other is that the grease you used to hold
the needles in place is more than fits in the space available. To fix the
second problem, take the zerk out so the extra grease can escape.



"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4212f15e$1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Thanks, Bill and Jeff. I got the new part.. $45.00
>
> Got home, put it on, all the pins crashed to the bottom of the new one! I
> was able to get them all back in order on the inside of the ball with my
> tweezers.. I then got the new joint in only to discover a *new* problem.
>
> The new joints won't fit inside of what I can only describe as the
> "coupler".. the part that hooks the caps of the two joints together. The
> semi-circle shaped clips fit into retaining grooves cut into the coupler
and
> hold the bearing caps in. The bearing cap slides snugly into the coupler
but
> with the joint in, the caps won't go far enough into the joint/couplerto
> permit me to install the clips. The caps look like they have bottomed out
on
> the joint. I need less than 1mm more of the cap to go into the coupler for
> the clip to fit in.
>
> I tried putting one clip in, turning the assembly over and giving the
other
> cap a whack with the hammer and socket.. I ended up breaking 1/2 the clip
> ridge out of the coupler (see picture). Is the coupler still useable? Do I
> have the wrong joint? Can I grind down the clip? The top of one of the
> bearing caps?
>
> http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/coupler.JPG
>
> Thanks..
>
> Carl
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4212C8B9.D20BE848@***.net...
> > Hi Carl,
> > I just use a pencil to push them back into place:
> > http://www.----------.com/CVJoint.jpg There plenty of room to spring the
> > socket yoke back to slip in their bearing caps, like it doesn't have go
> > together all at the same time.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > 89 XJ 4.0 5spd
> > >
> > > Now that I got the lift on, it's time to get all the U-joints changed
> (they
> > > are all worn). I got the front driveshaft out, marked all locations,
> ect. I
> > > was able to use my vice and press out all the caps and get all the old
> > > joints out. The rear portion of the front driveshaft is the
> double-cardon
> > > type. It was a little tricky getting both joints out.
> > >
> > > The portion of the driveshaft that attaches the rearmost of the three
> joints
> > > to the transfer case connects to the driveshaft by slipping onto a
> shaft/pin
> > > that comes out of the driveshaft There is a spring in the shaft/pin,
and
> the
> > > part has a ball inside with needle bearings that ride on the
shaft/pin.
> Not
> > > the part that connects the two joints together, but the part that that
> bolts
> > > to the transfer case. This is the part I am having trouble with.
> > >
> > > It came off with the rearmost U-joint. No biggie, I thought and
> continued to
> > > assemble the middle joint. The portion in question would not go back
> into
> > > the rubber sleeve and onto the pin it came from.. A few gentle taps
with
> a
> > > hammer didnt help. It was greased on the inside, but I ran a little
> grease
> > > around the outside of the part that slides into the rubber sleeve. No
> Luck.
> > > I checked the inside of the ball area and found that about half of the
> > > needle bearings had come out!
> > >
> > > This picture shows the front of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/front.JPG
> > >
> > > This shows the rear of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/rear.jpg
> > >
> > > This is where the part in question attaches to the driveshaft. Note
the
> > > lovely needle bearings on the
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/shaft.jpg
> > >
> > > What do I do now?
> > >
> > > Carl
>
>

Jeff Strickland

What Mike said.

There is a spring and a pin that fit in the ball thingie, and there are a
dozen or so needle bearings as well. There can be two problems, one is that
one of the needles fell over, the other is that the grease you used to hold
the needles in place is more than fits in the space available. To fix the
second problem, take the zerk out so the extra grease can escape.



"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4212f15e$1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Thanks, Bill and Jeff. I got the new part.. $45.00
>
> Got home, put it on, all the pins crashed to the bottom of the new one! I
> was able to get them all back in order on the inside of the ball with my
> tweezers.. I then got the new joint in only to discover a *new* problem.
>
> The new joints won't fit inside of what I can only describe as the
> "coupler".. the part that hooks the caps of the two joints together. The
> semi-circle shaped clips fit into retaining grooves cut into the coupler
and
> hold the bearing caps in. The bearing cap slides snugly into the coupler
but
> with the joint in, the caps won't go far enough into the joint/couplerto
> permit me to install the clips. The caps look like they have bottomed out
on
> the joint. I need less than 1mm more of the cap to go into the coupler for
> the clip to fit in.
>
> I tried putting one clip in, turning the assembly over and giving the
other
> cap a whack with the hammer and socket.. I ended up breaking 1/2 the clip
> ridge out of the coupler (see picture). Is the coupler still useable? Do I
> have the wrong joint? Can I grind down the clip? The top of one of the
> bearing caps?
>
> http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/coupler.JPG
>
> Thanks..
>
> Carl
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4212C8B9.D20BE848@***.net...
> > Hi Carl,
> > I just use a pencil to push them back into place:
> > http://www.----------.com/CVJoint.jpg There plenty of room to spring the
> > socket yoke back to slip in their bearing caps, like it doesn't have go
> > together all at the same time.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > 89 XJ 4.0 5spd
> > >
> > > Now that I got the lift on, it's time to get all the U-joints changed
> (they
> > > are all worn). I got the front driveshaft out, marked all locations,
> ect. I
> > > was able to use my vice and press out all the caps and get all the old
> > > joints out. The rear portion of the front driveshaft is the
> double-cardon
> > > type. It was a little tricky getting both joints out.
> > >
> > > The portion of the driveshaft that attaches the rearmost of the three
> joints
> > > to the transfer case connects to the driveshaft by slipping onto a
> shaft/pin
> > > that comes out of the driveshaft There is a spring in the shaft/pin,
and
> the
> > > part has a ball inside with needle bearings that ride on the
shaft/pin.
> Not
> > > the part that connects the two joints together, but the part that that
> bolts
> > > to the transfer case. This is the part I am having trouble with.
> > >
> > > It came off with the rearmost U-joint. No biggie, I thought and
> continued to
> > > assemble the middle joint. The portion in question would not go back
> into
> > > the rubber sleeve and onto the pin it came from.. A few gentle taps
with
> a
> > > hammer didnt help. It was greased on the inside, but I ran a little
> grease
> > > around the outside of the part that slides into the rubber sleeve. No
> Luck.
> > > I checked the inside of the ball area and found that about half of the
> > > needle bearings had come out!
> > >
> > > This picture shows the front of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/front.JPG
> > >
> > > This shows the rear of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/rear.jpg
> > >
> > > This is where the part in question attaches to the driveshaft. Note
the
> > > lovely needle bearings on the
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/shaft.jpg
> > >
> > > What do I do now?
> > >
> > > Carl
>
>

Jeff Strickland

What Mike said.

There is a spring and a pin that fit in the ball thingie, and there are a
dozen or so needle bearings as well. There can be two problems, one is that
one of the needles fell over, the other is that the grease you used to hold
the needles in place is more than fits in the space available. To fix the
second problem, take the zerk out so the extra grease can escape.



"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4212f15e$1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Thanks, Bill and Jeff. I got the new part.. $45.00
>
> Got home, put it on, all the pins crashed to the bottom of the new one! I
> was able to get them all back in order on the inside of the ball with my
> tweezers.. I then got the new joint in only to discover a *new* problem.
>
> The new joints won't fit inside of what I can only describe as the
> "coupler".. the part that hooks the caps of the two joints together. The
> semi-circle shaped clips fit into retaining grooves cut into the coupler
and
> hold the bearing caps in. The bearing cap slides snugly into the coupler
but
> with the joint in, the caps won't go far enough into the joint/couplerto
> permit me to install the clips. The caps look like they have bottomed out
on
> the joint. I need less than 1mm more of the cap to go into the coupler for
> the clip to fit in.
>
> I tried putting one clip in, turning the assembly over and giving the
other
> cap a whack with the hammer and socket.. I ended up breaking 1/2 the clip
> ridge out of the coupler (see picture). Is the coupler still useable? Do I
> have the wrong joint? Can I grind down the clip? The top of one of the
> bearing caps?
>
> http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/coupler.JPG
>
> Thanks..
>
> Carl
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4212C8B9.D20BE848@***.net...
> > Hi Carl,
> > I just use a pencil to push them back into place:
> > http://www.----------.com/CVJoint.jpg There plenty of room to spring the
> > socket yoke back to slip in their bearing caps, like it doesn't have go
> > together all at the same time.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > 89 XJ 4.0 5spd
> > >
> > > Now that I got the lift on, it's time to get all the U-joints changed
> (they
> > > are all worn). I got the front driveshaft out, marked all locations,
> ect. I
> > > was able to use my vice and press out all the caps and get all the old
> > > joints out. The rear portion of the front driveshaft is the
> double-cardon
> > > type. It was a little tricky getting both joints out.
> > >
> > > The portion of the driveshaft that attaches the rearmost of the three
> joints
> > > to the transfer case connects to the driveshaft by slipping onto a
> shaft/pin
> > > that comes out of the driveshaft There is a spring in the shaft/pin,
and
> the
> > > part has a ball inside with needle bearings that ride on the
shaft/pin.
> Not
> > > the part that connects the two joints together, but the part that that
> bolts
> > > to the transfer case. This is the part I am having trouble with.
> > >
> > > It came off with the rearmost U-joint. No biggie, I thought and
> continued to
> > > assemble the middle joint. The portion in question would not go back
> into
> > > the rubber sleeve and onto the pin it came from.. A few gentle taps
with
> a
> > > hammer didnt help. It was greased on the inside, but I ran a little
> grease
> > > around the outside of the part that slides into the rubber sleeve. No
> Luck.
> > > I checked the inside of the ball area and found that about half of the
> > > needle bearings had come out!
> > >
> > > This picture shows the front of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/front.JPG
> > >
> > > This shows the rear of the part in question.
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/rear.jpg
> > >
> > > This is where the part in question attaches to the driveshaft. Note
the
> > > lovely needle bearings on the
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/shaft.jpg
> > >
> > > What do I do now?
> > >
> > > Carl
>
>

Carl Saiyed

Thanks Mike.

Where can I get a new coupler? Do you know the part # of the correct
joint? I tried two or three of the same joint and none fit.

Thanks,

Carl


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4213589B.4ED48649@sympatico.ca...
> 99% of the time that means you have dropped one needle under the cap and
> it is holding it from going tighter. I use heavy grease to hold the
> needles in place. Or you have the wrong joint..... Or the 'coupler' got
> bent because a hammer was used 'too hard' taking out the old u-joints.
> (saw that recently, someone used a 'big' hammer to get them out and bent
> the yoke ears)
>
> That coupler is now garbage in my opinion. Even the side not broken
> looks already cracked or stressed at the same shear point as what fell
> off. That joint looks like it was vibrated pretty bad to crack those
> retainer casts or you or the last guy really beat the crap out of it
> with a hammer.... Does the other side also show fatigue/stress cracks
> around that ring area?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Bill and Jeff. I got the new part.. $45.00
> >
> > Got home, put it on, all the pins crashed to the bottom of the new one!
I
> > was able to get them all back in order on the inside of the ball with my
> > tweezers.. I then got the new joint in only to discover a *new* problem.
> >
> > The new joints won't fit inside of what I can only describe as the
> > "coupler".. the part that hooks the caps of the two joints together. The
> > semi-circle shaped clips fit into retaining grooves cut into the coupler
and
> > hold the bearing caps in. The bearing cap slides snugly into the coupler
but
> > with the joint in, the caps won't go far enough into the joint/couplerto
> > permit me to install the clips. The caps look like they have bottomed
out on
> > the joint. I need less than 1mm more of the cap to go into the coupler
for
> > the clip to fit in.
> >
> > I tried putting one clip in, turning the assembly over and giving the
other
> > cap a whack with the hammer and socket.. I ended up breaking 1/2 the
clip
> > ridge out of the coupler (see picture). Is the coupler still useable? Do
I
> > have the wrong joint? Can I grind down the clip? The top of one of the
> > bearing caps?
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/coupler.JPG
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:4212C8B9.D20BE848@***.net...
> > > Hi Carl,
> > > I just use a pencil to push them back into place:
> > > http://www.----------.com/CVJoint.jpg There plenty of room to spring
the
> > > socket yoke back to slip in their bearing caps, like it doesn't have
go
> > > together all at the same time.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:--------------------
> > >
> > > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 89 XJ 4.0 5spd
> > > >
> > > > Now that I got the lift on, it's time to get all the U-joints
changed
> > (they
> > > > are all worn). I got the front driveshaft out, marked all locations,
> > ect. I
> > > > was able to use my vice and press out all the caps and get all the
old
> > > > joints out. The rear portion of the front driveshaft is the
> > double-cardon
> > > > type. It was a little tricky getting both joints out.
> > > >
> > > > The portion of the driveshaft that attaches the rearmost of the
three
> > joints
> > > > to the transfer case connects to the driveshaft by slipping onto a
> > shaft/pin
> > > > that comes out of the driveshaft There is a spring in the shaft/pin,
and
> > the
> > > > part has a ball inside with needle bearings that ride on the
shaft/pin.
> > Not
> > > > the part that connects the two joints together, but the part that
that
> > bolts
> > > > to the transfer case. This is the part I am having trouble with.
> > > >
> > > > It came off with the rearmost U-joint. No biggie, I thought and
> > continued to
> > > > assemble the middle joint. The portion in question would not go back
> > into
> > > > the rubber sleeve and onto the pin it came from.. A few gentle taps
with
> > a
> > > > hammer didnt help. It was greased on the inside, but I ran a little
> > grease
> > > > around the outside of the part that slides into the rubber sleeve.
No
> > Luck.
> > > > I checked the inside of the ball area and found that about half of
the
> > > > needle bearings had come out!
> > > >
> > > > This picture shows the front of the part in question.
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/front.JPG
> > > >
> > > > This shows the rear of the part in question.
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/rear.jpg
> > > >
> > > > This is where the part in question attaches to the driveshaft. Note
the
> > > > lovely needle bearings on the
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/shaft.jpg
> > > >
> > > > What do I do now?
> > > >
> > > > Carl

Carl Saiyed

Thanks Mike.

Where can I get a new coupler? Do you know the part # of the correct
joint? I tried two or three of the same joint and none fit.

Thanks,

Carl


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4213589B.4ED48649@sympatico.ca...
> 99% of the time that means you have dropped one needle under the cap and
> it is holding it from going tighter. I use heavy grease to hold the
> needles in place. Or you have the wrong joint..... Or the 'coupler' got
> bent because a hammer was used 'too hard' taking out the old u-joints.
> (saw that recently, someone used a 'big' hammer to get them out and bent
> the yoke ears)
>
> That coupler is now garbage in my opinion. Even the side not broken
> looks already cracked or stressed at the same shear point as what fell
> off. That joint looks like it was vibrated pretty bad to crack those
> retainer casts or you or the last guy really beat the crap out of it
> with a hammer.... Does the other side also show fatigue/stress cracks
> around that ring area?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Bill and Jeff. I got the new part.. $45.00
> >
> > Got home, put it on, all the pins crashed to the bottom of the new one!
I
> > was able to get them all back in order on the inside of the ball with my
> > tweezers.. I then got the new joint in only to discover a *new* problem.
> >
> > The new joints won't fit inside of what I can only describe as the
> > "coupler".. the part that hooks the caps of the two joints together. The
> > semi-circle shaped clips fit into retaining grooves cut into the coupler
and
> > hold the bearing caps in. The bearing cap slides snugly into the coupler
but
> > with the joint in, the caps won't go far enough into the joint/couplerto
> > permit me to install the clips. The caps look like they have bottomed
out on
> > the joint. I need less than 1mm more of the cap to go into the coupler
for
> > the clip to fit in.
> >
> > I tried putting one clip in, turning the assembly over and giving the
other
> > cap a whack with the hammer and socket.. I ended up breaking 1/2 the
clip
> > ridge out of the coupler (see picture). Is the coupler still useable? Do
I
> > have the wrong joint? Can I grind down the clip? The top of one of the
> > bearing caps?
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/coupler.JPG
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:4212C8B9.D20BE848@***.net...
> > > Hi Carl,
> > > I just use a pencil to push them back into place:
> > > http://www.----------.com/CVJoint.jpg There plenty of room to spring
the
> > > socket yoke back to slip in their bearing caps, like it doesn't have
go
> > > together all at the same time.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:--------------------
> > >
> > > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 89 XJ 4.0 5spd
> > > >
> > > > Now that I got the lift on, it's time to get all the U-joints
changed
> > (they
> > > > are all worn). I got the front driveshaft out, marked all locations,
> > ect. I
> > > > was able to use my vice and press out all the caps and get all the
old
> > > > joints out. The rear portion of the front driveshaft is the
> > double-cardon
> > > > type. It was a little tricky getting both joints out.
> > > >
> > > > The portion of the driveshaft that attaches the rearmost of the
three
> > joints
> > > > to the transfer case connects to the driveshaft by slipping onto a
> > shaft/pin
> > > > that comes out of the driveshaft There is a spring in the shaft/pin,
and
> > the
> > > > part has a ball inside with needle bearings that ride on the
shaft/pin.
> > Not
> > > > the part that connects the two joints together, but the part that
that
> > bolts
> > > > to the transfer case. This is the part I am having trouble with.
> > > >
> > > > It came off with the rearmost U-joint. No biggie, I thought and
> > continued to
> > > > assemble the middle joint. The portion in question would not go back
> > into
> > > > the rubber sleeve and onto the pin it came from.. A few gentle taps
with
> > a
> > > > hammer didnt help. It was greased on the inside, but I ran a little
> > grease
> > > > around the outside of the part that slides into the rubber sleeve.
No
> > Luck.
> > > > I checked the inside of the ball area and found that about half of
the
> > > > needle bearings had come out!
> > > >
> > > > This picture shows the front of the part in question.
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/front.JPG
> > > >
> > > > This shows the rear of the part in question.
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/rear.jpg
> > > >
> > > > This is where the part in question attaches to the driveshaft. Note
the
> > > > lovely needle bearings on the
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/shaft.jpg
> > > >
> > > > What do I do now?
> > > >
> > > > Carl

Carl Saiyed

Thanks Mike.

Where can I get a new coupler? Do you know the part # of the correct
joint? I tried two or three of the same joint and none fit.

Thanks,

Carl


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4213589B.4ED48649@sympatico.ca...
> 99% of the time that means you have dropped one needle under the cap and
> it is holding it from going tighter. I use heavy grease to hold the
> needles in place. Or you have the wrong joint..... Or the 'coupler' got
> bent because a hammer was used 'too hard' taking out the old u-joints.
> (saw that recently, someone used a 'big' hammer to get them out and bent
> the yoke ears)
>
> That coupler is now garbage in my opinion. Even the side not broken
> looks already cracked or stressed at the same shear point as what fell
> off. That joint looks like it was vibrated pretty bad to crack those
> retainer casts or you or the last guy really beat the crap out of it
> with a hammer.... Does the other side also show fatigue/stress cracks
> around that ring area?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Bill and Jeff. I got the new part.. $45.00
> >
> > Got home, put it on, all the pins crashed to the bottom of the new one!
I
> > was able to get them all back in order on the inside of the ball with my
> > tweezers.. I then got the new joint in only to discover a *new* problem.
> >
> > The new joints won't fit inside of what I can only describe as the
> > "coupler".. the part that hooks the caps of the two joints together. The
> > semi-circle shaped clips fit into retaining grooves cut into the coupler
and
> > hold the bearing caps in. The bearing cap slides snugly into the coupler
but
> > with the joint in, the caps won't go far enough into the joint/couplerto
> > permit me to install the clips. The caps look like they have bottomed
out on
> > the joint. I need less than 1mm more of the cap to go into the coupler
for
> > the clip to fit in.
> >
> > I tried putting one clip in, turning the assembly over and giving the
other
> > cap a whack with the hammer and socket.. I ended up breaking 1/2 the
clip
> > ridge out of the coupler (see picture). Is the coupler still useable? Do
I
> > have the wrong joint? Can I grind down the clip? The top of one of the
> > bearing caps?
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/coupler.JPG
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:4212C8B9.D20BE848@***.net...
> > > Hi Carl,
> > > I just use a pencil to push them back into place:
> > > http://www.----------.com/CVJoint.jpg There plenty of room to spring
the
> > > socket yoke back to slip in their bearing caps, like it doesn't have
go
> > > together all at the same time.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:--------------------
> > >
> > > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 89 XJ 4.0 5spd
> > > >
> > > > Now that I got the lift on, it's time to get all the U-joints
changed
> > (they
> > > > are all worn). I got the front driveshaft out, marked all locations,
> > ect. I
> > > > was able to use my vice and press out all the caps and get all the
old
> > > > joints out. The rear portion of the front driveshaft is the
> > double-cardon
> > > > type. It was a little tricky getting both joints out.
> > > >
> > > > The portion of the driveshaft that attaches the rearmost of the
three
> > joints
> > > > to the transfer case connects to the driveshaft by slipping onto a
> > shaft/pin
> > > > that comes out of the driveshaft There is a spring in the shaft/pin,
and
> > the
> > > > part has a ball inside with needle bearings that ride on the
shaft/pin.
> > Not
> > > > the part that connects the two joints together, but the part that
that
> > bolts
> > > > to the transfer case. This is the part I am having trouble with.
> > > >
> > > > It came off with the rearmost U-joint. No biggie, I thought and
> > continued to
> > > > assemble the middle joint. The portion in question would not go back
> > into
> > > > the rubber sleeve and onto the pin it came from.. A few gentle taps
with
> > a
> > > > hammer didnt help. It was greased on the inside, but I ran a little
> > grease
> > > > around the outside of the part that slides into the rubber sleeve.
No
> > Luck.
> > > > I checked the inside of the ball area and found that about half of
the
> > > > needle bearings had come out!
> > > >
> > > > This picture shows the front of the part in question.
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/front.JPG
> > > >
> > > > This shows the rear of the part in question.
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/rear.jpg
> > > >
> > > > This is where the part in question attaches to the driveshaft. Note
the
> > > > lovely needle bearings on the
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/shaft.jpg
> > > >
> > > > What do I do now?
> > > >
> > > > Carl

Mike Romain

I only thought there was that one double Cardan type and a CV one.

I don't think there are varieties. What part of the ones you looked at
didn't fit?

Mike

Carl Saiyed wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike.
>
> Where can I get a new coupler? Do you know the part # of the correct
> joint? I tried two or three of the same joint and none fit.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4213589B.4ED48649@sympatico.ca...
> > 99% of the time that means you have dropped one needle under the cap and
> > it is holding it from going tighter. I use heavy grease to hold the
> > needles in place. Or you have the wrong joint..... Or the 'coupler' got
> > bent because a hammer was used 'too hard' taking out the old u-joints.
> > (saw that recently, someone used a 'big' hammer to get them out and bent
> > the yoke ears)
> >
> > That coupler is now garbage in my opinion. Even the side not broken
> > looks already cracked or stressed at the same shear point as what fell
> > off. That joint looks like it was vibrated pretty bad to crack those
> > retainer casts or you or the last guy really beat the crap out of it
> > with a hammer.... Does the other side also show fatigue/stress cracks
> > around that ring area?
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, Bill and Jeff. I got the new part.. $45.00
> > >
> > > Got home, put it on, all the pins crashed to the bottom of the new one!
> I
> > > was able to get them all back in order on the inside of the ball with my
> > > tweezers.. I then got the new joint in only to discover a *new* problem.
> > >
> > > The new joints won't fit inside of what I can only describe as the
> > > "coupler".. the part that hooks the caps of the two joints together. The
> > > semi-circle shaped clips fit into retaining grooves cut into the coupler
> and
> > > hold the bearing caps in. The bearing cap slides snugly into the coupler
> but
> > > with the joint in, the caps won't go far enough into the joint/couplerto
> > > permit me to install the clips. The caps look like they have bottomed
> out on
> > > the joint. I need less than 1mm more of the cap to go into the coupler
> for
> > > the clip to fit in.
> > >
> > > I tried putting one clip in, turning the assembly over and giving the
> other
> > > cap a whack with the hammer and socket.. I ended up breaking 1/2 the
> clip
> > > ridge out of the coupler (see picture). Is the coupler still useable? Do
> I
> > > have the wrong joint? Can I grind down the clip? The top of one of the
> > > bearing caps?
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/coupler.JPG
> > >
> > > Thanks..
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:4212C8B9.D20BE848@***.net...
> > > > Hi Carl,
> > > > I just use a pencil to push them back into place:
> > > > http://www.----------.com/CVJoint.jpg There plenty of room to spring
> the
> > > > socket yoke back to slip in their bearing caps, like it doesn't have
> go
> > > > together all at the same time.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:--------------------
> > > >
> > > > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 89 XJ 4.0 5spd
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that I got the lift on, it's time to get all the U-joints
> changed
> > > (they
> > > > > are all worn). I got the front driveshaft out, marked all locations,
> > > ect. I
> > > > > was able to use my vice and press out all the caps and get all the
> old
> > > > > joints out. The rear portion of the front driveshaft is the
> > > double-cardon
> > > > > type. It was a little tricky getting both joints out.
> > > > >
> > > > > The portion of the driveshaft that attaches the rearmost of the
> three
> > > joints
> > > > > to the transfer case connects to the driveshaft by slipping onto a
> > > shaft/pin
> > > > > that comes out of the driveshaft There is a spring in the shaft/pin,
> and
> > > the
> > > > > part has a ball inside with needle bearings that ride on the
> shaft/pin.
> > > Not
> > > > > the part that connects the two joints together, but the part that
> that
> > > bolts
> > > > > to the transfer case. This is the part I am having trouble with.
> > > > >
> > > > > It came off with the rearmost U-joint. No biggie, I thought and
> > > continued to
> > > > > assemble the middle joint. The portion in question would not go back
> > > into
> > > > > the rubber sleeve and onto the pin it came from.. A few gentle taps
> with
> > > a
> > > > > hammer didnt help. It was greased on the inside, but I ran a little
> > > grease
> > > > > around the outside of the part that slides into the rubber sleeve.
> No
> > > Luck.
> > > > > I checked the inside of the ball area and found that about half of
> the
> > > > > needle bearings had come out!
> > > > >
> > > > > This picture shows the front of the part in question.
> > > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/front.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > > This shows the rear of the part in question.
> > > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/rear.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > This is where the part in question attaches to the driveshaft. Note
> the
> > > > > lovely needle bearings on the
> > > > > http://www.geocities.com/carlsaiyed/shaft.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > What do I do now?
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl