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weld-on accessories
i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im working
on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers that weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders that also weld on instead of bolt? thanks, -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
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Anything is possible Nate. I like to weld stuff to my Jeep when I cant
find enough of the same size bolts.... RollOver Pete... Check me out at: http://community.webtv.net/SLAMBANG/RollOverPetesPage http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/yj/pete/ |
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Anything is possible Nate. I like to weld stuff to my Jeep when I cant
find enough of the same size bolts.... RollOver Pete... Check me out at: http://community.webtv.net/SLAMBANG/RollOverPetesPage http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/yj/pete/ |
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Anything is possible Nate. I like to weld stuff to my Jeep when I cant
find enough of the same size bolts.... RollOver Pete... Check me out at: http://community.webtv.net/SLAMBANG/RollOverPetesPage http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/yj/pete/ |
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"RollOver Pete" <SLAMBANG@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:10173-3F8B8377-551@storefull-2191.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Anything is possible Nate. I like to weld stuff to my Jeep when I cant > find enough of the same size bolts.... thanks pete. the idea is for adding true structural integrity to the jeep frame itself.....i just dunno how well it would go over. <sigh>.....maybe ill just build the mounts for bolting but encourage (or at least suggest) welding. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
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"RollOver Pete" <SLAMBANG@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:10173-3F8B8377-551@storefull-2191.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Anything is possible Nate. I like to weld stuff to my Jeep when I cant > find enough of the same size bolts.... thanks pete. the idea is for adding true structural integrity to the jeep frame itself.....i just dunno how well it would go over. <sigh>.....maybe ill just build the mounts for bolting but encourage (or at least suggest) welding. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
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"RollOver Pete" <SLAMBANG@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:10173-3F8B8377-551@storefull-2191.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Anything is possible Nate. I like to weld stuff to my Jeep when I cant > find enough of the same size bolts.... thanks pete. the idea is for adding true structural integrity to the jeep frame itself.....i just dunno how well it would go over. <sigh>.....maybe ill just build the mounts for bolting but encourage (or at least suggest) welding. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
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Hi Sandman,
Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you know all welds will eventual crack and fail, that is why you're not allowed to weld to a commercial truck's frame as they all travel well over a million miles and that is why they are spot inspected every fifty miles or so as the cross weight stations, and a weld would dead line on the spot, like the other trucks you see in their parking lot, waiting to be towed. Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts or holes in the stock TJ frame. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Nathan Collier wrote: > > thanks pete. the idea is for adding true structural integrity to the jeep > frame itself.....i just dunno how well it would go over. <sigh>.....maybe > ill just build the mounts for bolting but encourage (or at least suggest) > welding. > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com |
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Hi Sandman,
Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you know all welds will eventual crack and fail, that is why you're not allowed to weld to a commercial truck's frame as they all travel well over a million miles and that is why they are spot inspected every fifty miles or so as the cross weight stations, and a weld would dead line on the spot, like the other trucks you see in their parking lot, waiting to be towed. Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts or holes in the stock TJ frame. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Nathan Collier wrote: > > thanks pete. the idea is for adding true structural integrity to the jeep > frame itself.....i just dunno how well it would go over. <sigh>.....maybe > ill just build the mounts for bolting but encourage (or at least suggest) > welding. > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com |
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Hi Sandman,
Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you know all welds will eventual crack and fail, that is why you're not allowed to weld to a commercial truck's frame as they all travel well over a million miles and that is why they are spot inspected every fifty miles or so as the cross weight stations, and a weld would dead line on the spot, like the other trucks you see in their parking lot, waiting to be towed. Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts or holes in the stock TJ frame. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Nathan Collier wrote: > > thanks pete. the idea is for adding true structural integrity to the jeep > frame itself.....i just dunno how well it would go over. <sigh>.....maybe > ill just build the mounts for bolting but encourage (or at least suggest) > welding. > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com |
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@cox.net... > Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you > know all welds will eventual crack and fail sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should last indefinately. > Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts > or holes in the stock TJ frame. agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a little different as a possibility. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@cox.net... > Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you > know all welds will eventual crack and fail sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should last indefinately. > Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts > or holes in the stock TJ frame. agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a little different as a possibility. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@cox.net... > Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you > know all welds will eventual crack and fail sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should last indefinately. > Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts > or holes in the stock TJ frame. agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a little different as a possibility. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
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In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one. My $0.02 -- JimG 80' CJ-7, 258 CID 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines 4.56 D30-D44 SOA D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn 8000i w/dual batteries LockRight F&R "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. .. > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im working > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers that > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders > that also weld on instead of bolt? > thanks, > > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > |
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In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one. My $0.02 -- JimG 80' CJ-7, 258 CID 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines 4.56 D30-D44 SOA D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn 8000i w/dual batteries LockRight F&R "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. .. > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im working > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers that > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders > that also weld on instead of bolt? > thanks, > > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > |
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In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one. My $0.02 -- JimG 80' CJ-7, 258 CID 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines 4.56 D30-D44 SOA D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn 8000i w/dual batteries LockRight F&R "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. .. > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im working > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers that > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders > that also weld on instead of bolt? > thanks, > > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > |
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I have to agree with Nathan. The mere physics of welding are inherently
better than bolting components together when it comes to structural integrity. We bolt to allow ease of removal/replacement and in some cases, to allow bolt shearing to protect critical components. This make total sense with imperfect humans at the wheel. However there are some things that are never compromised to bolts for overall safety and integrity. I have a self fabricated bumper myself and welded it on for the same reason Nathan started this thread. I've also welded on my rocker guards. I don't plan on changing them and it was easier than fabricating brackets and drilling. If I have to replace them I find a high speed grinder/cutoff tool my tool of choice for seized bolts as well as welded components! ;-) Cheers! Perry 87YJ 36x12.5 MT Baja's Dana 44 w/4.88 Nathan Collier wrote: > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@cox.net... > >> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you >>know all welds will eventual crack and fail > > > sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated > welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should > last indefinately. > > |
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I have to agree with Nathan. The mere physics of welding are inherently
better than bolting components together when it comes to structural integrity. We bolt to allow ease of removal/replacement and in some cases, to allow bolt shearing to protect critical components. This make total sense with imperfect humans at the wheel. However there are some things that are never compromised to bolts for overall safety and integrity. I have a self fabricated bumper myself and welded it on for the same reason Nathan started this thread. I've also welded on my rocker guards. I don't plan on changing them and it was easier than fabricating brackets and drilling. If I have to replace them I find a high speed grinder/cutoff tool my tool of choice for seized bolts as well as welded components! ;-) Cheers! Perry 87YJ 36x12.5 MT Baja's Dana 44 w/4.88 Nathan Collier wrote: > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@cox.net... > >> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you >>know all welds will eventual crack and fail > > > sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated > welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should > last indefinately. > > |
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I have to agree with Nathan. The mere physics of welding are inherently
better than bolting components together when it comes to structural integrity. We bolt to allow ease of removal/replacement and in some cases, to allow bolt shearing to protect critical components. This make total sense with imperfect humans at the wheel. However there are some things that are never compromised to bolts for overall safety and integrity. I have a self fabricated bumper myself and welded it on for the same reason Nathan started this thread. I've also welded on my rocker guards. I don't plan on changing them and it was easier than fabricating brackets and drilling. If I have to replace them I find a high speed grinder/cutoff tool my tool of choice for seized bolts as well as welded components! ;-) Cheers! Perry 87YJ 36x12.5 MT Baja's Dana 44 w/4.88 Nathan Collier wrote: > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@cox.net... > >> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you >>know all welds will eventual crack and fail > > > sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated > welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should > last indefinately. > > |
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I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or
truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I wouln't weld on. If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the battery,Alt, and computer. Gordon |
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I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or
truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I wouln't weld on. If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the battery,Alt, and computer. Gordon |
Re: weld-on accessories
I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or
truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I wouln't weld on. If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the battery,Alt, and computer. Gordon |
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Hi Nathan,
I don't think it is a good idea to make the bumper to 'strong'. The whole idea behind a bumper is to absorb an impact. If the bumper is bullet proof, all the impact will be transferred to the frame and jeep. It's alot cheaper to replace a bumper than deal with a tweaked frame. MikeG "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. .. > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im working > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers that > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders > that also weld on instead of bolt? > thanks, > > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > |
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Hi Nathan,
I don't think it is a good idea to make the bumper to 'strong'. The whole idea behind a bumper is to absorb an impact. If the bumper is bullet proof, all the impact will be transferred to the frame and jeep. It's alot cheaper to replace a bumper than deal with a tweaked frame. MikeG "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. .. > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im working > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers that > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders > that also weld on instead of bolt? > thanks, > > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > |
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Hi Nathan,
I don't think it is a good idea to make the bumper to 'strong'. The whole idea behind a bumper is to absorb an impact. If the bumper is bullet proof, all the impact will be transferred to the frame and jeep. It's alot cheaper to replace a bumper than deal with a tweaked frame. MikeG "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. .. > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im working > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers that > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders > that also weld on instead of bolt? > thanks, > > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > > |
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And how would you feel if someone bought your bumper, welded it on, and
it came off and hurt/killed someone. I know you may not be legally responsible but it still was your design. You can guarantee the welds in the bumper are done correctly, but not the attachment points. It is alot easier for Joe-Schmoe to use quality bolts than it is make a quality weld. Just my 2 cents. In article <f40ed0ca.0310141207.fdc6f8@posting.google.com>, kenaifishn@ifish.net (Gordon) wrote: > I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or > truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it > will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and > contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and > stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees > a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I > wouln't weld on. > > If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the > battery,Alt, and computer. > > Gordon -- o_o_o_o /| ,[_____], |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O- ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_) |
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And how would you feel if someone bought your bumper, welded it on, and
it came off and hurt/killed someone. I know you may not be legally responsible but it still was your design. You can guarantee the welds in the bumper are done correctly, but not the attachment points. It is alot easier for Joe-Schmoe to use quality bolts than it is make a quality weld. Just my 2 cents. In article <f40ed0ca.0310141207.fdc6f8@posting.google.com>, kenaifishn@ifish.net (Gordon) wrote: > I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or > truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it > will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and > contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and > stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees > a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I > wouln't weld on. > > If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the > battery,Alt, and computer. > > Gordon -- o_o_o_o /| ,[_____], |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O- ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_) |
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And how would you feel if someone bought your bumper, welded it on, and
it came off and hurt/killed someone. I know you may not be legally responsible but it still was your design. You can guarantee the welds in the bumper are done correctly, but not the attachment points. It is alot easier for Joe-Schmoe to use quality bolts than it is make a quality weld. Just my 2 cents. In article <f40ed0ca.0310141207.fdc6f8@posting.google.com>, kenaifishn@ifish.net (Gordon) wrote: > I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or > truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it > will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and > contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and > stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees > a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I > wouln't weld on. > > If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the > battery,Alt, and computer. > > Gordon -- o_o_o_o /| ,[_____], |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O- ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_) |
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and yourself !
-- Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "MikeG" <boo@hoo.com> wrote in message news:voonilqh871225@corp.supernews.com... If the bumper is bullet proof, all the impact will be transferred to the frame and jeep. |
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and yourself !
-- Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "MikeG" <boo@hoo.com> wrote in message news:voonilqh871225@corp.supernews.com... If the bumper is bullet proof, all the impact will be transferred to the frame and jeep. |
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and yourself !
-- Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara "MikeG" <boo@hoo.com> wrote in message news:voonilqh871225@corp.supernews.com... If the bumper is bullet proof, all the impact will be transferred to the frame and jeep. |
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Hi Sandman,
Just in case you're tempted to weld to a friend commercial truck, know you can't per Department of Transportation: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...gs/393.201.htm And pretty much any welded repair will deadline the truck: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/appng.htm I had to use Explorer to view these sites. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Nathan Collier wrote: > > sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated > welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should > last indefinately. > > agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a > little different as a possibility. > > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com |
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Hi Sandman,
Just in case you're tempted to weld to a friend commercial truck, know you can't per Department of Transportation: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...gs/393.201.htm And pretty much any welded repair will deadline the truck: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/appng.htm I had to use Explorer to view these sites. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Nathan Collier wrote: > > sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated > welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should > last indefinately. > > agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a > little different as a possibility. > > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com |
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Hi Sandman,
Just in case you're tempted to weld to a friend commercial truck, know you can't per Department of Transportation: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...gs/393.201.htm And pretty much any welded repair will deadline the truck: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/appng.htm I had to use Explorer to view these sites. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Nathan Collier wrote: > > sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated > welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should > last indefinately. > > agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a > little different as a possibility. > > -- > > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com |
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8C7685.1258A9BF@cox.net... > Just in case you're tempted to weld to a friend commercial truck, > know you can't per Department of Transportation: > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...gs/393.201.htm hi bill, welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc. > And pretty > much any welded repair will deadline the truck: > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/appng.htm welding is referenced many times in that page as well. "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked." "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld." "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds." "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim." "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter." "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25% on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some latitude on cracked welds." etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints as i read it. > I had to use > Explorer to view these sites. you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-) -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8C7685.1258A9BF@cox.net... > Just in case you're tempted to weld to a friend commercial truck, > know you can't per Department of Transportation: > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...gs/393.201.htm hi bill, welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc. > And pretty > much any welded repair will deadline the truck: > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/appng.htm welding is referenced many times in that page as well. "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked." "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld." "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds." "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim." "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter." "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25% on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some latitude on cracked welds." etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints as i read it. > I had to use > Explorer to view these sites. you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-) -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
Re: weld-on accessories
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8C7685.1258A9BF@cox.net... > Just in case you're tempted to weld to a friend commercial truck, > know you can't per Department of Transportation: > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...gs/393.201.htm hi bill, welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc. > And pretty > much any welded repair will deadline the truck: > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/appng.htm welding is referenced many times in that page as well. "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked." "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld." "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds." "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim." "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter." "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25% on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some latitude on cracked welds." etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints as i read it. > I had to use > Explorer to view these sites. you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-) -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
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