Mike:
My stock 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton retired farm truck gets @ 10 mpg, I don't
consider that too bad for a
old clunker with full time 4WD. it's been a superbly reliable vehicle.
My wife's 93 Olds Cutlass Cierra gets @ 36 mpg. poorly designed front brake
calipers.
Our 73 Tioga Motorhome gets about 10 mpg. not bad for the amount of air it
pushes.
The stock XJ only gets @ 20 mpg., and it's smaller than the Olds.

I have had a Colourtune for 30 years, use it often, bought it new on
holidays in UK for $15.00cdn.
Great for outboards and motorcycles, 'Never seen anybody else use one.

Bill:
"Real Gas", remember it well, we had 7 gas tractors on the farm, I haven't
smelt that for years, yup
better mileage than the swampgas/propanized/ oxygenized stuff that seems to
be everywhere now and
it starts rotting in a months time if you don't add fuel pickler to it.

Spud










"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42828E10.B2418627@***.net...
> Hi Mike,
> Real gasoline, as opposed to ARCO's Kalifornia mix of ten percent
> ethanol-alcohol?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> I am wondering what engine and vehicle you are talking about. My XJ
>> gets about 26+ US mpg running fully loaded at 75 mph...... I feel this
>> is good mileage and it is an old beastie with over 300K km on it.
>>
>> Alcohol has way less BTU's per volume and when any mix is used in my CJ7
>> it cuts the gas mileage instantly by 30% and some mixes go 50% less. My
>> CJ7 gets 23 US mpg with real gasoline.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Spud wrote:
>> >
>> > Like all the other XJs terrible gas mileage
>> >
>> > Looking for those who have tried water/alcohol injection and like or
>> > dislike
>> > it.
>> > I believe the claims for increased power and carbon deposit removal,
>> > but
>> > are the claims for increased fuel mileage bogus or true?
>> >
>> > --
>> > nospam ve7ifd at rac dot ca nospam: delete the nospams and you can
>> > figure
>> > out the rest.
>> >

 

Mike:
My stock 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton retired farm truck gets @ 10 mpg, I don't
consider that too bad for a
old clunker with full time 4WD. it's been a superbly reliable vehicle.
My wife's 93 Olds Cutlass Cierra gets @ 36 mpg. poorly designed front brake
calipers.
Our 73 Tioga Motorhome gets about 10 mpg. not bad for the amount of air it
pushes.
The stock XJ only gets @ 20 mpg., and it's smaller than the Olds.

I have had a Colourtune for 30 years, use it often, bought it new on
holidays in UK for $15.00cdn.
Great for outboards and motorcycles, 'Never seen anybody else use one.

Bill:
"Real Gas", remember it well, we had 7 gas tractors on the farm, I haven't
smelt that for years, yup
better mileage than the swampgas/propanized/ oxygenized stuff that seems to
be everywhere now and
it starts rotting in a months time if you don't add fuel pickler to it.

Spud










"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42828E10.B2418627@***.net...
> Hi Mike,
> Real gasoline, as opposed to ARCO's Kalifornia mix of ten percent
> ethanol-alcohol?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> I am wondering what engine and vehicle you are talking about. My XJ
>> gets about 26+ US mpg running fully loaded at 75 mph...... I feel this
>> is good mileage and it is an old beastie with over 300K km on it.
>>
>> Alcohol has way less BTU's per volume and when any mix is used in my CJ7
>> it cuts the gas mileage instantly by 30% and some mixes go 50% less. My
>> CJ7 gets 23 US mpg with real gasoline.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Spud wrote:
>> >
>> > Like all the other XJs terrible gas mileage
>> >
>> > Looking for those who have tried water/alcohol injection and like or
>> > dislike
>> > it.
>> > I believe the claims for increased power and carbon deposit removal,
>> > but
>> > are the claims for increased fuel mileage bogus or true?
>> >
>> > --
>> > nospam ve7ifd at rac dot ca nospam: delete the nospams and you can
>> > figure
>> > out the rest.
>> >

 

Mike:
My stock 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton retired farm truck gets @ 10 mpg, I don't
consider that too bad for a
old clunker with full time 4WD. it's been a superbly reliable vehicle.
My wife's 93 Olds Cutlass Cierra gets @ 36 mpg. poorly designed front brake
calipers.
Our 73 Tioga Motorhome gets about 10 mpg. not bad for the amount of air it
pushes.
The stock XJ only gets @ 20 mpg., and it's smaller than the Olds.

I have had a Colourtune for 30 years, use it often, bought it new on
holidays in UK for $15.00cdn.
Great for outboards and motorcycles, 'Never seen anybody else use one.

Bill:
"Real Gas", remember it well, we had 7 gas tractors on the farm, I haven't
smelt that for years, yup
better mileage than the swampgas/propanized/ oxygenized stuff that seems to
be everywhere now and
it starts rotting in a months time if you don't add fuel pickler to it.

Spud










"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42828E10.B2418627@***.net...
> Hi Mike,
> Real gasoline, as opposed to ARCO's Kalifornia mix of ten percent
> ethanol-alcohol?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> I am wondering what engine and vehicle you are talking about. My XJ
>> gets about 26+ US mpg running fully loaded at 75 mph...... I feel this
>> is good mileage and it is an old beastie with over 300K km on it.
>>
>> Alcohol has way less BTU's per volume and when any mix is used in my CJ7
>> it cuts the gas mileage instantly by 30% and some mixes go 50% less. My
>> CJ7 gets 23 US mpg with real gasoline.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Spud wrote:
>> >
>> > Like all the other XJs terrible gas mileage
>> >
>> > Looking for those who have tried water/alcohol injection and like or
>> > dislike
>> > it.
>> > I believe the claims for increased power and carbon deposit removal,
>> > but
>> > are the claims for increased fuel mileage bogus or true?
>> >
>> > --
>> > nospam ve7ifd at rac dot ca nospam: delete the nospams and you can
>> > figure
>> > out the rest.
>> >

 

20 mpg is low for an XJ..... My CJ7 gets better than that. I do give
it new plugs and distributor cap and air filter every 2 years for the
emissions test, air filter more often usually.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Spud wrote:
>
> Mike:
> My stock 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton retired farm truck gets @ 10 mpg, I don't
> consider that too bad for a
> old clunker with full time 4WD. it's been a superbly reliable vehicle.
> My wife's 93 Olds Cutlass Cierra gets @ 36 mpg. poorly designed front brake
> calipers.
> Our 73 Tioga Motorhome gets about 10 mpg. not bad for the amount of air it
> pushes.
> The stock XJ only gets @ 20 mpg., and it's smaller than the Olds.
>
> I have had a Colourtune for 30 years, use it often, bought it new on
> holidays in UK for $15.00cdn.
> Great for outboards and motorcycles, 'Never seen anybody else use one.
>
> Bill:
> "Real Gas", remember it well, we had 7 gas tractors on the farm, I haven't
> smelt that for years, yup
> better mileage than the swampgas/propanized/ oxygenized stuff that seems to
> be everywhere now and
> it starts rotting in a months time if you don't add fuel pickler to it.
>
> Spud
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42828E10.B2418627@***.net...
> > Hi Mike,
> > Real gasoline, as opposed to ARCO's Kalifornia mix of ten percent
> > ethanol-alcohol?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >> I am wondering what engine and vehicle you are talking about. My XJ
> >> gets about 26+ US mpg running fully loaded at 75 mph...... I feel this
> >> is good mileage and it is an old beastie with over 300K km on it.
> >>
> >> Alcohol has way less BTU's per volume and when any mix is used in my CJ7
> >> it cuts the gas mileage instantly by 30% and some mixes go 50% less. My
> >> CJ7 gets 23 US mpg with real gasoline.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >> Spud wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Like all the other XJs terrible gas mileage
> >> >
> >> > Looking for those who have tried water/alcohol injection and like or
> >> > dislike
> >> > it.
> >> > I believe the claims for increased power and carbon deposit removal,
> >> > but
> >> > are the claims for increased fuel mileage bogus or true?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > nospam ve7ifd at rac dot ca nospam: delete the nospams and you can
> >> > figure
> >> > out the rest.
> >> >

 

20 mpg is low for an XJ..... My CJ7 gets better than that. I do give
it new plugs and distributor cap and air filter every 2 years for the
emissions test, air filter more often usually.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Spud wrote:
>
> Mike:
> My stock 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton retired farm truck gets @ 10 mpg, I don't
> consider that too bad for a
> old clunker with full time 4WD. it's been a superbly reliable vehicle.
> My wife's 93 Olds Cutlass Cierra gets @ 36 mpg. poorly designed front brake
> calipers.
> Our 73 Tioga Motorhome gets about 10 mpg. not bad for the amount of air it
> pushes.
> The stock XJ only gets @ 20 mpg., and it's smaller than the Olds.
>
> I have had a Colourtune for 30 years, use it often, bought it new on
> holidays in UK for $15.00cdn.
> Great for outboards and motorcycles, 'Never seen anybody else use one.
>
> Bill:
> "Real Gas", remember it well, we had 7 gas tractors on the farm, I haven't
> smelt that for years, yup
> better mileage than the swampgas/propanized/ oxygenized stuff that seems to
> be everywhere now and
> it starts rotting in a months time if you don't add fuel pickler to it.
>
> Spud
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42828E10.B2418627@***.net...
> > Hi Mike,
> > Real gasoline, as opposed to ARCO's Kalifornia mix of ten percent
> > ethanol-alcohol?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >> I am wondering what engine and vehicle you are talking about. My XJ
> >> gets about 26+ US mpg running fully loaded at 75 mph...... I feel this
> >> is good mileage and it is an old beastie with over 300K km on it.
> >>
> >> Alcohol has way less BTU's per volume and when any mix is used in my CJ7
> >> it cuts the gas mileage instantly by 30% and some mixes go 50% less. My
> >> CJ7 gets 23 US mpg with real gasoline.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >> Spud wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Like all the other XJs terrible gas mileage
> >> >
> >> > Looking for those who have tried water/alcohol injection and like or
> >> > dislike
> >> > it.
> >> > I believe the claims for increased power and carbon deposit removal,
> >> > but
> >> > are the claims for increased fuel mileage bogus or true?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > nospam ve7ifd at rac dot ca nospam: delete the nospams and you can
> >> > figure
> >> > out the rest.
> >> >

 

20 mpg is low for an XJ..... My CJ7 gets better than that. I do give
it new plugs and distributor cap and air filter every 2 years for the
emissions test, air filter more often usually.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Spud wrote:
>
> Mike:
> My stock 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton retired farm truck gets @ 10 mpg, I don't
> consider that too bad for a
> old clunker with full time 4WD. it's been a superbly reliable vehicle.
> My wife's 93 Olds Cutlass Cierra gets @ 36 mpg. poorly designed front brake
> calipers.
> Our 73 Tioga Motorhome gets about 10 mpg. not bad for the amount of air it
> pushes.
> The stock XJ only gets @ 20 mpg., and it's smaller than the Olds.
>
> I have had a Colourtune for 30 years, use it often, bought it new on
> holidays in UK for $15.00cdn.
> Great for outboards and motorcycles, 'Never seen anybody else use one.
>
> Bill:
> "Real Gas", remember it well, we had 7 gas tractors on the farm, I haven't
> smelt that for years, yup
> better mileage than the swampgas/propanized/ oxygenized stuff that seems to
> be everywhere now and
> it starts rotting in a months time if you don't add fuel pickler to it.
>
> Spud
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42828E10.B2418627@***.net...
> > Hi Mike,
> > Real gasoline, as opposed to ARCO's Kalifornia mix of ten percent
> > ethanol-alcohol?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >> I am wondering what engine and vehicle you are talking about. My XJ
> >> gets about 26+ US mpg running fully loaded at 75 mph...... I feel this
> >> is good mileage and it is an old beastie with over 300K km on it.
> >>
> >> Alcohol has way less BTU's per volume and when any mix is used in my CJ7
> >> it cuts the gas mileage instantly by 30% and some mixes go 50% less. My
> >> CJ7 gets 23 US mpg with real gasoline.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >> Spud wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Like all the other XJs terrible gas mileage
> >> >
> >> > Looking for those who have tried water/alcohol injection and like or
> >> > dislike
> >> > it.
> >> > I believe the claims for increased power and carbon deposit removal,
> >> > but
> >> > are the claims for increased fuel mileage bogus or true?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > nospam ve7ifd at rac dot ca nospam: delete the nospams and you can
> >> > figure
> >> > out the rest.
> >> >

 

20 mpg is low for an XJ..... My CJ7 gets better than that. I do give
it new plugs and distributor cap and air filter every 2 years for the
emissions test, air filter more often usually.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Spud wrote:
>
> Mike:
> My stock 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton retired farm truck gets @ 10 mpg, I don't
> consider that too bad for a
> old clunker with full time 4WD. it's been a superbly reliable vehicle.
> My wife's 93 Olds Cutlass Cierra gets @ 36 mpg. poorly designed front brake
> calipers.
> Our 73 Tioga Motorhome gets about 10 mpg. not bad for the amount of air it
> pushes.
> The stock XJ only gets @ 20 mpg., and it's smaller than the Olds.
>
> I have had a Colourtune for 30 years, use it often, bought it new on
> holidays in UK for $15.00cdn.
> Great for outboards and motorcycles, 'Never seen anybody else use one.
>
> Bill:
> "Real Gas", remember it well, we had 7 gas tractors on the farm, I haven't
> smelt that for years, yup
> better mileage than the swampgas/propanized/ oxygenized stuff that seems to
> be everywhere now and
> it starts rotting in a months time if you don't add fuel pickler to it.
>
> Spud
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42828E10.B2418627@***.net...
> > Hi Mike,
> > Real gasoline, as opposed to ARCO's Kalifornia mix of ten percent
> > ethanol-alcohol?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >> I am wondering what engine and vehicle you are talking about. My XJ
> >> gets about 26+ US mpg running fully loaded at 75 mph...... I feel this
> >> is good mileage and it is an old beastie with over 300K km on it.
> >>
> >> Alcohol has way less BTU's per volume and when any mix is used in my CJ7
> >> it cuts the gas mileage instantly by 30% and some mixes go 50% less. My
> >> CJ7 gets 23 US mpg with real gasoline.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >> Spud wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Like all the other XJs terrible gas mileage
> >> >
> >> > Looking for those who have tried water/alcohol injection and like or
> >> > dislike
> >> > it.
> >> > I believe the claims for increased power and carbon deposit removal,
> >> > but
> >> > are the claims for increased fuel mileage bogus or true?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > nospam ve7ifd at rac dot ca nospam: delete the nospams and you can
> >> > figure
> >> > out the rest.
> >> >

 

100% Alcohol will require doubling the size of carburator jet size,
etc. for approx. four times the flow rate. True that water injection
will increase the 'octane number' but you will NEED that water
injection since alcohol (volumetrically) burns at about 300 degrees
hotter than normal gasoline because alcohol 'carries' its own oxygen. I
used to burn methanol in a sprint car; and, can tell you that straight
alcohol will not be a 'benign' fuel to use as it will require you to
regularly rip down and clean out all the intake/exhaust passages
(carbon, etc.). Engine wear will be quite accelerated and you will need
to continually 'perfect tune' the engine. The down side with alcohol
is that if you have a fire in daylight, you cant see the burning
alcohol flames and will only know when something is wrong when the
paint starts to bubble and the rubber/plastic stuff starts to 'drip'.


Wow 26 mpg with an XJ !!! Ive busted my tail trying to get 22 and
cant get over that 'hump'. Good for ya !!! Maybe I've lost the
'touch'

In article <428289AE.205BA378@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I am wondering what engine and vehicle you are talking about. My XJ
> gets about 26+ US mpg running fully loaded at 75 mph...... I feel this
> is good mileage and it is an old beastie with over 300K km on it.
>
> Alcohol has way less BTU's per volume and when any mix is used in my CJ7
> it cuts the gas mileage instantly by 30% and some mixes go 50% less. My
> CJ7 gets 23 US mpg with real gasoline.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
>
> Spud wrote:
> >
> > Like all the other XJs terrible gas mileage
> >
> > Looking for those who have tried water/alcohol injection and like or dislike
> > it.
> > I believe the claims for increased power and carbon deposit removal, but
> > are the claims for increased fuel mileage bogus or true?
> >
> > --
> > nospam ve7ifd at rac dot ca nospam: delete the nospams and you can figure
> > out the rest.
> >

 

100% Alcohol will require doubling the size of carburator jet size,
etc. for approx. four times the flow rate. True that water injection
will increase the 'octane number' but you will NEED that water
injection since alcohol (volumetrically) burns at about 300 degrees
hotter than normal gasoline because alcohol 'carries' its own oxygen. I
used to burn methanol in a sprint car; and, can tell you that straight
alcohol will not be a 'benign' fuel to use as it will require you to
regularly rip down and clean out all the intake/exhaust passages
(carbon, etc.). Engine wear will be quite accelerated and you will need
to continually 'perfect tune' the engine. The down side with alcohol
is that if you have a fire in daylight, you cant see the burning
alcohol flames and will only know when something is wrong when the
paint starts to bubble and the rubber/plastic stuff starts to 'drip'.


Wow 26 mpg with an XJ !!! Ive busted my tail trying to get 22 and
cant get over that 'hump'. Good for ya !!! Maybe I've lost the
'touch'

In article <428289AE.205BA378@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I am wondering what engine and vehicle you are talking about. My XJ
> gets about 26+ US mpg running fully loaded at 75 mph...... I feel this
> is good mileage and it is an old beastie with over 300K km on it.
>
> Alcohol has way less BTU's per volume and when any mix is used in my CJ7
> it cuts the gas mileage instantly by 30% and some mixes go 50% less. My
> CJ7 gets 23 US mpg with real gasoline.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
>
> Spud wrote:
> >
> > Like all the other XJs terrible gas mileage
> >
> > Looking for those who have tried water/alcohol injection and like or dislike
> > it.
> > I believe the claims for increased power and carbon deposit removal, but
> > are the claims for increased fuel mileage bogus or true?
> >
> > --
> > nospam ve7ifd at rac dot ca nospam: delete the nospams and you can figure
> > out the rest.
> >

 

100% Alcohol will require doubling the size of carburator jet size,
etc. for approx. four times the flow rate. True that water injection
will increase the 'octane number' but you will NEED that water
injection since alcohol (volumetrically) burns at about 300 degrees
hotter than normal gasoline because alcohol 'carries' its own oxygen. I
used to burn methanol in a sprint car; and, can tell you that straight
alcohol will not be a 'benign' fuel to use as it will require you to
regularly rip down and clean out all the intake/exhaust passages
(carbon, etc.). Engine wear will be quite accelerated and you will need
to continually 'perfect tune' the engine. The down side with alcohol
is that if you have a fire in daylight, you cant see the burning
alcohol flames and will only know when something is wrong when the
paint starts to bubble and the rubber/plastic stuff starts to 'drip'.


Wow 26 mpg with an XJ !!! Ive busted my tail trying to get 22 and
cant get over that 'hump'. Good for ya !!! Maybe I've lost the
'touch'

In article <428289AE.205BA378@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I am wondering what engine and vehicle you are talking about. My XJ
> gets about 26+ US mpg running fully loaded at 75 mph...... I feel this
> is good mileage and it is an old beastie with over 300K km on it.
>
> Alcohol has way less BTU's per volume and when any mix is used in my CJ7
> it cuts the gas mileage instantly by 30% and some mixes go 50% less. My
> CJ7 gets 23 US mpg with real gasoline.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
>
> Spud wrote:
> >
> > Like all the other XJs terrible gas mileage
> >
> > Looking for those who have tried water/alcohol injection and like or dislike
> > it.
> > I believe the claims for increased power and carbon deposit removal, but
> > are the claims for increased fuel mileage bogus or true?
> >
> > --
> > nospam ve7ifd at rac dot ca nospam: delete the nospams and you can figure
> > out the rest.
> >