DougW

Earle Horton wrote:
> The caliper I bought in GJ appears to be a high quality tool. As
> someone here said, they make good stuff and they make bad stuff. We
> do to. There just ain't no way to convince people that American
> companies are capable of producing crap. Even German parts have a
> non-zero failure rate.

Steve's Tools local manger explained that to me. They cary the cheap
stuff and the good stuff. I bought a cheap box end wrench because I
needed to bend it up to get to a bolt.

Generally, always buy the best tool you can afford, and watch the sales.
Otherwise just buy the one thing you need and avoid cheap sets.

I do keep a couple of real cheap sets. They are good for oddball jobs
and as loaners.

--
DougW

DougW

Earle Horton wrote:
> The caliper I bought in GJ appears to be a high quality tool. As
> someone here said, they make good stuff and they make bad stuff. We
> do to. There just ain't no way to convince people that American
> companies are capable of producing crap. Even German parts have a
> non-zero failure rate.

Steve's Tools local manger explained that to me. They cary the cheap
stuff and the good stuff. I bought a cheap box end wrench because I
needed to bend it up to get to a bolt.

Generally, always buy the best tool you can afford, and watch the sales.
Otherwise just buy the one thing you need and avoid cheap sets.

I do keep a couple of real cheap sets. They are good for oddball jobs
and as loaners.

--
DougW

DougW

Earle Horton wrote:
> The caliper I bought in GJ appears to be a high quality tool. As
> someone here said, they make good stuff and they make bad stuff. We
> do to. There just ain't no way to convince people that American
> companies are capable of producing crap. Even German parts have a
> non-zero failure rate.

Steve's Tools local manger explained that to me. They cary the cheap
stuff and the good stuff. I bought a cheap box end wrench because I
needed to bend it up to get to a bolt.

Generally, always buy the best tool you can afford, and watch the sales.
Otherwise just buy the one thing you need and avoid cheap sets.

I do keep a couple of real cheap sets. They are good for oddball jobs
and as loaners.

--
DougW

Outatime

Dave Milne wrote:

> Sadly, the whole world over people want a new car every few years and would
> rather pay their 20K every 5 years than pay 40K for one that would last for
> 20. Then they argue about spending a few extra quid on an synthetic oil
> change for the same cost as a tank of petrol.


This is a fact for most here in the USA. Price is everything. But not
for me.

Cheap crap has its place: garbage bags, toilet paper and sandwich bags
from overseas is fine for me. But when it comes to durable goods, top
drawer is what I seek. Major appliances, automobiles, heavy-haul
tractors and trailers, tires, and even writing pens ALL must be
top-quality, domestic-made products. I will not accept anything less.

I just ordered and received a 2.5 qt. Revereware copper-bottom teakettle
from Ace Hardware in NY City. Guess what I got? Cheap crap made in
China, brazenly stamped into the copper. It went back in the box to be
re-gifted at Christmas. It had the cheapest, flimsiest junk plastic
parts on it I've ever seen.

I think my next kitchenware purchase will be made in person, at a shop
where I can see the goods before I buy. Cheap garbage from overseas is
everywhere, and brand names mean NOTHING anymore. Everyone thinks they
have sell out, to sell product. Price is everything.

Outatime

Dave Milne wrote:

> Sadly, the whole world over people want a new car every few years and would
> rather pay their 20K every 5 years than pay 40K for one that would last for
> 20. Then they argue about spending a few extra quid on an synthetic oil
> change for the same cost as a tank of petrol.


This is a fact for most here in the USA. Price is everything. But not
for me.

Cheap crap has its place: garbage bags, toilet paper and sandwich bags
from overseas is fine for me. But when it comes to durable goods, top
drawer is what I seek. Major appliances, automobiles, heavy-haul
tractors and trailers, tires, and even writing pens ALL must be
top-quality, domestic-made products. I will not accept anything less.

I just ordered and received a 2.5 qt. Revereware copper-bottom teakettle
from Ace Hardware in NY City. Guess what I got? Cheap crap made in
China, brazenly stamped into the copper. It went back in the box to be
re-gifted at Christmas. It had the cheapest, flimsiest junk plastic
parts on it I've ever seen.

I think my next kitchenware purchase will be made in person, at a shop
where I can see the goods before I buy. Cheap garbage from overseas is
everywhere, and brand names mean NOTHING anymore. Everyone thinks they
have sell out, to sell product. Price is everything.

Outatime

Dave Milne wrote:

> Sadly, the whole world over people want a new car every few years and would
> rather pay their 20K every 5 years than pay 40K for one that would last for
> 20. Then they argue about spending a few extra quid on an synthetic oil
> change for the same cost as a tank of petrol.


This is a fact for most here in the USA. Price is everything. But not
for me.

Cheap crap has its place: garbage bags, toilet paper and sandwich bags
from overseas is fine for me. But when it comes to durable goods, top
drawer is what I seek. Major appliances, automobiles, heavy-haul
tractors and trailers, tires, and even writing pens ALL must be
top-quality, domestic-made products. I will not accept anything less.

I just ordered and received a 2.5 qt. Revereware copper-bottom teakettle
from Ace Hardware in NY City. Guess what I got? Cheap crap made in
China, brazenly stamped into the copper. It went back in the box to be
re-gifted at Christmas. It had the cheapest, flimsiest junk plastic
parts on it I've ever seen.

I think my next kitchenware purchase will be made in person, at a shop
where I can see the goods before I buy. Cheap garbage from overseas is
everywhere, and brand names mean NOTHING anymore. Everyone thinks they
have sell out, to sell product. Price is everything.

Outatime

Dave Milne wrote:

> Sadly, the whole world over people want a new car every few years and would
> rather pay their 20K every 5 years than pay 40K for one that would last for
> 20. Then they argue about spending a few extra quid on an synthetic oil
> change for the same cost as a tank of petrol.


This is a fact for most here in the USA. Price is everything. But not
for me.

Cheap crap has its place: garbage bags, toilet paper and sandwich bags
from overseas is fine for me. But when it comes to durable goods, top
drawer is what I seek. Major appliances, automobiles, heavy-haul
tractors and trailers, tires, and even writing pens ALL must be
top-quality, domestic-made products. I will not accept anything less.

I just ordered and received a 2.5 qt. Revereware copper-bottom teakettle
from Ace Hardware in NY City. Guess what I got? Cheap crap made in
China, brazenly stamped into the copper. It went back in the box to be
re-gifted at Christmas. It had the cheapest, flimsiest junk plastic
parts on it I've ever seen.

I think my next kitchenware purchase will be made in person, at a shop
where I can see the goods before I buy. Cheap garbage from overseas is
everywhere, and brand names mean NOTHING anymore. Everyone thinks they
have sell out, to sell product. Price is everything.

Lon

Outatime proclaimed:

> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> Sadly, the whole world over people want a new car every few years and
>> would
>> rather pay their 20K every 5 years than pay 40K for one that would
>> last for
>> 20. Then they argue about spending a few extra quid on an synthetic oil
>> change for the same cost as a tank of petrol.
>
>
>
> This is a fact for most here in the USA. Price is everything. But not
> for me.
>
> Cheap crap has its place: garbage bags, toilet paper and sandwich bags
> from overseas is fine for me. But when it comes to durable goods, top
> drawer is what I seek. Major appliances, automobiles, heavy-haul
> tractors and trailers, tires, and even writing pens ALL must be
> top-quality, domestic-made products. I will not accept anything less.
>
> I just ordered and received a 2.5 qt. Revereware copper-bottom teakettle
> from Ace Hardware in NY City. Guess what I got? Cheap crap made in
> China, brazenly stamped into the copper. It went back in the box to be
> re-gifted at Christmas. It had the cheapest, flimsiest junk plastic
> parts on it I've ever seen.
>
> I think my next kitchenware purchase will be made in person, at a shop
> where I can see the goods before I buy. Cheap garbage from overseas is
> everywhere, and brand names mean NOTHING anymore. Everyone thinks they
> have sell out, to sell product. Price is everything.

I think Revere Ware may have gone cheap, much like Singer, KLH, etc.
where you just get crap--worse often expensive crap.

There are decent cook sets available at places like Bed Bath & Beyond,
but watch out for products that have names close to the better brands.
Luckily with aluminum cookware, generally the thicker the stuff is the
better it tends to be. The cheap crap doesn't seem to want to waste
aluminum. Teflon coating isn't always a good sign, I've seem aluminum
foil thick pan sets with fairly decent teflon. I've also seen good
stuff on pretty decent sale at department stores.

Lon

Outatime proclaimed:

> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> Sadly, the whole world over people want a new car every few years and
>> would
>> rather pay their 20K every 5 years than pay 40K for one that would
>> last for
>> 20. Then they argue about spending a few extra quid on an synthetic oil
>> change for the same cost as a tank of petrol.
>
>
>
> This is a fact for most here in the USA. Price is everything. But not
> for me.
>
> Cheap crap has its place: garbage bags, toilet paper and sandwich bags
> from overseas is fine for me. But when it comes to durable goods, top
> drawer is what I seek. Major appliances, automobiles, heavy-haul
> tractors and trailers, tires, and even writing pens ALL must be
> top-quality, domestic-made products. I will not accept anything less.
>
> I just ordered and received a 2.5 qt. Revereware copper-bottom teakettle
> from Ace Hardware in NY City. Guess what I got? Cheap crap made in
> China, brazenly stamped into the copper. It went back in the box to be
> re-gifted at Christmas. It had the cheapest, flimsiest junk plastic
> parts on it I've ever seen.
>
> I think my next kitchenware purchase will be made in person, at a shop
> where I can see the goods before I buy. Cheap garbage from overseas is
> everywhere, and brand names mean NOTHING anymore. Everyone thinks they
> have sell out, to sell product. Price is everything.

I think Revere Ware may have gone cheap, much like Singer, KLH, etc.
where you just get crap--worse often expensive crap.

There are decent cook sets available at places like Bed Bath & Beyond,
but watch out for products that have names close to the better brands.
Luckily with aluminum cookware, generally the thicker the stuff is the
better it tends to be. The cheap crap doesn't seem to want to waste
aluminum. Teflon coating isn't always a good sign, I've seem aluminum
foil thick pan sets with fairly decent teflon. I've also seen good
stuff on pretty decent sale at department stores.

Lon

Outatime proclaimed:

> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> Sadly, the whole world over people want a new car every few years and
>> would
>> rather pay their 20K every 5 years than pay 40K for one that would
>> last for
>> 20. Then they argue about spending a few extra quid on an synthetic oil
>> change for the same cost as a tank of petrol.
>
>
>
> This is a fact for most here in the USA. Price is everything. But not
> for me.
>
> Cheap crap has its place: garbage bags, toilet paper and sandwich bags
> from overseas is fine for me. But when it comes to durable goods, top
> drawer is what I seek. Major appliances, automobiles, heavy-haul
> tractors and trailers, tires, and even writing pens ALL must be
> top-quality, domestic-made products. I will not accept anything less.
>
> I just ordered and received a 2.5 qt. Revereware copper-bottom teakettle
> from Ace Hardware in NY City. Guess what I got? Cheap crap made in
> China, brazenly stamped into the copper. It went back in the box to be
> re-gifted at Christmas. It had the cheapest, flimsiest junk plastic
> parts on it I've ever seen.
>
> I think my next kitchenware purchase will be made in person, at a shop
> where I can see the goods before I buy. Cheap garbage from overseas is
> everywhere, and brand names mean NOTHING anymore. Everyone thinks they
> have sell out, to sell product. Price is everything.

I think Revere Ware may have gone cheap, much like Singer, KLH, etc.
where you just get crap--worse often expensive crap.

There are decent cook sets available at places like Bed Bath & Beyond,
but watch out for products that have names close to the better brands.
Luckily with aluminum cookware, generally the thicker the stuff is the
better it tends to be. The cheap crap doesn't seem to want to waste
aluminum. Teflon coating isn't always a good sign, I've seem aluminum
foil thick pan sets with fairly decent teflon. I've also seen good
stuff on pretty decent sale at department stores.