Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
03-04-2006, 11:14 PM
#51
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Re: Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
My condolences to you Tim. I know the frustration of purchasing a
brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
mc
brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
mc
03-04-2006, 11:14 PM
#52
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Re: Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
My condolences to you Tim. I know the frustration of purchasing a
brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
mc
brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
mc
03-04-2006, 11:14 PM
#53
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Posts: n/a
Re: Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
My condolences to you Tim. I know the frustration of purchasing a
brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
mc
brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
mc
03-05-2006, 01:29 AM
#54
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Re: Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 00:57:31 UTC "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:
> i was 60 miles from my house and lost my clutch in my 89 yj. made it
> home with no clutch and was able to drive it for a week till the garage
> could get time to fix it... just need to know how to force it in some
> times... kind of a waste of money tho cuz i did clutch work then just
> did a engine and tranny swap and Soa..
Everybody ought to learn to drive an old VW Bug with the cable-linked
clutch - it ain't if the clutch cable breaks, it's when.
All 3 of my kids got the lesson where you take them out in a parking
lot and show them how to use the starter in low to get a rolling
start, then how to fell the shift points with no clutch. On a fairly
steep slope where the starter lugs too much in first gear, put it in
2LO/first and I think you could start if you were climbing a phone
pole. As long as the engine will start in gear, you can putt along
until you find a level patch (or better yet, a downhil slope). The
big trick is to get it out of gear and coast toward stop lights until
you can get the light.
--
Will Honea
> i was 60 miles from my house and lost my clutch in my 89 yj. made it
> home with no clutch and was able to drive it for a week till the garage
> could get time to fix it... just need to know how to force it in some
> times... kind of a waste of money tho cuz i did clutch work then just
> did a engine and tranny swap and Soa..
Everybody ought to learn to drive an old VW Bug with the cable-linked
clutch - it ain't if the clutch cable breaks, it's when.
All 3 of my kids got the lesson where you take them out in a parking
lot and show them how to use the starter in low to get a rolling
start, then how to fell the shift points with no clutch. On a fairly
steep slope where the starter lugs too much in first gear, put it in
2LO/first and I think you could start if you were climbing a phone
pole. As long as the engine will start in gear, you can putt along
until you find a level patch (or better yet, a downhil slope). The
big trick is to get it out of gear and coast toward stop lights until
you can get the light.
--
Will Honea
03-05-2006, 01:29 AM
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Re: Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 00:57:31 UTC "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:
> i was 60 miles from my house and lost my clutch in my 89 yj. made it
> home with no clutch and was able to drive it for a week till the garage
> could get time to fix it... just need to know how to force it in some
> times... kind of a waste of money tho cuz i did clutch work then just
> did a engine and tranny swap and Soa..
Everybody ought to learn to drive an old VW Bug with the cable-linked
clutch - it ain't if the clutch cable breaks, it's when.
All 3 of my kids got the lesson where you take them out in a parking
lot and show them how to use the starter in low to get a rolling
start, then how to fell the shift points with no clutch. On a fairly
steep slope where the starter lugs too much in first gear, put it in
2LO/first and I think you could start if you were climbing a phone
pole. As long as the engine will start in gear, you can putt along
until you find a level patch (or better yet, a downhil slope). The
big trick is to get it out of gear and coast toward stop lights until
you can get the light.
--
Will Honea
> i was 60 miles from my house and lost my clutch in my 89 yj. made it
> home with no clutch and was able to drive it for a week till the garage
> could get time to fix it... just need to know how to force it in some
> times... kind of a waste of money tho cuz i did clutch work then just
> did a engine and tranny swap and Soa..
Everybody ought to learn to drive an old VW Bug with the cable-linked
clutch - it ain't if the clutch cable breaks, it's when.
All 3 of my kids got the lesson where you take them out in a parking
lot and show them how to use the starter in low to get a rolling
start, then how to fell the shift points with no clutch. On a fairly
steep slope where the starter lugs too much in first gear, put it in
2LO/first and I think you could start if you were climbing a phone
pole. As long as the engine will start in gear, you can putt along
until you find a level patch (or better yet, a downhil slope). The
big trick is to get it out of gear and coast toward stop lights until
you can get the light.
--
Will Honea
03-05-2006, 01:29 AM
#56
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Re: Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 00:57:31 UTC "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:
> i was 60 miles from my house and lost my clutch in my 89 yj. made it
> home with no clutch and was able to drive it for a week till the garage
> could get time to fix it... just need to know how to force it in some
> times... kind of a waste of money tho cuz i did clutch work then just
> did a engine and tranny swap and Soa..
Everybody ought to learn to drive an old VW Bug with the cable-linked
clutch - it ain't if the clutch cable breaks, it's when.
All 3 of my kids got the lesson where you take them out in a parking
lot and show them how to use the starter in low to get a rolling
start, then how to fell the shift points with no clutch. On a fairly
steep slope where the starter lugs too much in first gear, put it in
2LO/first and I think you could start if you were climbing a phone
pole. As long as the engine will start in gear, you can putt along
until you find a level patch (or better yet, a downhil slope). The
big trick is to get it out of gear and coast toward stop lights until
you can get the light.
--
Will Honea
> i was 60 miles from my house and lost my clutch in my 89 yj. made it
> home with no clutch and was able to drive it for a week till the garage
> could get time to fix it... just need to know how to force it in some
> times... kind of a waste of money tho cuz i did clutch work then just
> did a engine and tranny swap and Soa..
Everybody ought to learn to drive an old VW Bug with the cable-linked
clutch - it ain't if the clutch cable breaks, it's when.
All 3 of my kids got the lesson where you take them out in a parking
lot and show them how to use the starter in low to get a rolling
start, then how to fell the shift points with no clutch. On a fairly
steep slope where the starter lugs too much in first gear, put it in
2LO/first and I think you could start if you were climbing a phone
pole. As long as the engine will start in gear, you can putt along
until you find a level patch (or better yet, a downhil slope). The
big trick is to get it out of gear and coast toward stop lights until
you can get the light.
--
Will Honea
03-05-2006, 01:29 AM
#57
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Re: Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 00:57:31 UTC "Jon" <wrangler92@gmail.com> wrote:
> i was 60 miles from my house and lost my clutch in my 89 yj. made it
> home with no clutch and was able to drive it for a week till the garage
> could get time to fix it... just need to know how to force it in some
> times... kind of a waste of money tho cuz i did clutch work then just
> did a engine and tranny swap and Soa..
Everybody ought to learn to drive an old VW Bug with the cable-linked
clutch - it ain't if the clutch cable breaks, it's when.
All 3 of my kids got the lesson where you take them out in a parking
lot and show them how to use the starter in low to get a rolling
start, then how to fell the shift points with no clutch. On a fairly
steep slope where the starter lugs too much in first gear, put it in
2LO/first and I think you could start if you were climbing a phone
pole. As long as the engine will start in gear, you can putt along
until you find a level patch (or better yet, a downhil slope). The
big trick is to get it out of gear and coast toward stop lights until
you can get the light.
--
Will Honea
> i was 60 miles from my house and lost my clutch in my 89 yj. made it
> home with no clutch and was able to drive it for a week till the garage
> could get time to fix it... just need to know how to force it in some
> times... kind of a waste of money tho cuz i did clutch work then just
> did a engine and tranny swap and Soa..
Everybody ought to learn to drive an old VW Bug with the cable-linked
clutch - it ain't if the clutch cable breaks, it's when.
All 3 of my kids got the lesson where you take them out in a parking
lot and show them how to use the starter in low to get a rolling
start, then how to fell the shift points with no clutch. On a fairly
steep slope where the starter lugs too much in first gear, put it in
2LO/first and I think you could start if you were climbing a phone
pole. As long as the engine will start in gear, you can putt along
until you find a level patch (or better yet, a downhil slope). The
big trick is to get it out of gear and coast toward stop lights until
you can get the light.
--
Will Honea
03-05-2006, 08:02 AM
#58
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Re: Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
You're not alone, Japanese new car buyers share your experience with their
autos as well. Nippon vehicles do have their problems but, for some reason,
you don't hear about them. A few examples:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...ta_engine.html : (My neighbor
got caught up in this one- that's why I'm aware of it.)
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.my3cents.com/search.cgi?criteria=Toyota
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...nsmission.html
I speak from some experience, as one of the more troublesome cars I owned
was a Honda.
I firmly believe that the Japanese cars of the seventies and eighties shook
the Detroit auto manufacturers out of their lethargy, but now most American
cars are of comparable quality. In the here and now, the Japanese automakers
need to be looking over their shoulders at the Koreans. Just my $.02
"mc" <rzbj70@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:1141532065.082623.234010@z34g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> My condolences to you Tim. I know the frustration of purchasing a
> brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
> service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
> trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
> have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
> basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
> miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
> instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
> body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
> Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
> dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
>
> The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
> priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
> ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
> people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
>
> Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
> off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
> failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
> safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
> of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
> Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
>
> mc
>
autos as well. Nippon vehicles do have their problems but, for some reason,
you don't hear about them. A few examples:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...ta_engine.html : (My neighbor
got caught up in this one- that's why I'm aware of it.)
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.my3cents.com/search.cgi?criteria=Toyota
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...nsmission.html
I speak from some experience, as one of the more troublesome cars I owned
was a Honda.
I firmly believe that the Japanese cars of the seventies and eighties shook
the Detroit auto manufacturers out of their lethargy, but now most American
cars are of comparable quality. In the here and now, the Japanese automakers
need to be looking over their shoulders at the Koreans. Just my $.02
"mc" <rzbj70@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:1141532065.082623.234010@z34g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> My condolences to you Tim. I know the frustration of purchasing a
> brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
> service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
> trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
> have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
> basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
> miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
> instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
> body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
> Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
> dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
>
> The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
> priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
> ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
> people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
>
> Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
> off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
> failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
> safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
> of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
> Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
>
> mc
>
03-05-2006, 08:02 AM
#59
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
You're not alone, Japanese new car buyers share your experience with their
autos as well. Nippon vehicles do have their problems but, for some reason,
you don't hear about them. A few examples:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...ta_engine.html : (My neighbor
got caught up in this one- that's why I'm aware of it.)
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.my3cents.com/search.cgi?criteria=Toyota
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...nsmission.html
I speak from some experience, as one of the more troublesome cars I owned
was a Honda.
I firmly believe that the Japanese cars of the seventies and eighties shook
the Detroit auto manufacturers out of their lethargy, but now most American
cars are of comparable quality. In the here and now, the Japanese automakers
need to be looking over their shoulders at the Koreans. Just my $.02
"mc" <rzbj70@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:1141532065.082623.234010@z34g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> My condolences to you Tim. I know the frustration of purchasing a
> brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
> service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
> trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
> have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
> basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
> miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
> instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
> body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
> Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
> dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
>
> The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
> priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
> ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
> people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
>
> Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
> off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
> failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
> safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
> of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
> Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
>
> mc
>
autos as well. Nippon vehicles do have their problems but, for some reason,
you don't hear about them. A few examples:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...ta_engine.html : (My neighbor
got caught up in this one- that's why I'm aware of it.)
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.my3cents.com/search.cgi?criteria=Toyota
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...nsmission.html
I speak from some experience, as one of the more troublesome cars I owned
was a Honda.
I firmly believe that the Japanese cars of the seventies and eighties shook
the Detroit auto manufacturers out of their lethargy, but now most American
cars are of comparable quality. In the here and now, the Japanese automakers
need to be looking over their shoulders at the Koreans. Just my $.02
"mc" <rzbj70@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:1141532065.082623.234010@z34g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> My condolences to you Tim. I know the frustration of purchasing a
> brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
> service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
> trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
> have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
> basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
> miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
> instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
> body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
> Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
> dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
>
> The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
> priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
> ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
> people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
>
> Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
> off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
> failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
> safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
> of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
> Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
>
> mc
>
03-05-2006, 08:02 AM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Warning!! Dangerous design flaw in the 2006 Jeep Wranglers!!
You're not alone, Japanese new car buyers share your experience with their
autos as well. Nippon vehicles do have their problems but, for some reason,
you don't hear about them. A few examples:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...ta_engine.html : (My neighbor
got caught up in this one- that's why I'm aware of it.)
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.my3cents.com/search.cgi?criteria=Toyota
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...nsmission.html
I speak from some experience, as one of the more troublesome cars I owned
was a Honda.
I firmly believe that the Japanese cars of the seventies and eighties shook
the Detroit auto manufacturers out of their lethargy, but now most American
cars are of comparable quality. In the here and now, the Japanese automakers
need to be looking over their shoulders at the Koreans. Just my $.02
"mc" <rzbj70@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:1141532065.082623.234010@z34g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> My condolences to you Tim. I know the frustration of purchasing a
> brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
> service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
> trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
> have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
> basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
> miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
> instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
> body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
> Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
> dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
>
> The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
> priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
> ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
> people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
>
> Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
> off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
> failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
> safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
> of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
> Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
>
> mc
>
autos as well. Nippon vehicles do have their problems but, for some reason,
you don't hear about them. A few examples:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...ta_engine.html : (My neighbor
got caught up in this one- that's why I'm aware of it.)
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Compl...Complaints.asp
http://www.my3cents.com/search.cgi?criteria=Toyota
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...nsmission.html
I speak from some experience, as one of the more troublesome cars I owned
was a Honda.
I firmly believe that the Japanese cars of the seventies and eighties shook
the Detroit auto manufacturers out of their lethargy, but now most American
cars are of comparable quality. In the here and now, the Japanese automakers
need to be looking over their shoulders at the Koreans. Just my $.02
"mc" <rzbj70@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:1141532065.082623.234010@z34g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> My condolences to you Tim. I know the frustration of purchasing a
> brand new DC vehicle and then having a major issue and DC customer
> service offering no assistance whatsoever. My 98 TJ has been
> trouble-free since mile one, but both DC minivans I have purchased new
> have had a major issue at less than 1000 miles and DC customer service
> basically told me to pound sand. [My '96 GC broke a camshaft at 995
> miles necessitating a new engine - but the dealer gave me a new vehicle
> instead. My '05 GC came from the factory with faulty software in the
> body control electronics module that DC engineering had to re-write.]
> Fortunately both issues were eventually resolved by the respective
> dealers and I haven't had a single issue with either vehicle since.
>
> The greatest frustration is the feeling of having paid DC $25K for the
> priviledge of going through so much hassle. It just sours the new car
> ownership experience beyond belief. And then the Big Three wonder why
> people are willing to pay full retail price for a Toyota or Honda.
>
> Having formerly lived in Chandler and done thousands of miles of
> off-road Jeeping in Arizona, I would likewise be leery of another
> failure in the future. But with the advice offered here and normal
> safe off-road practices (never go alone) you've got thousands of miles
> of Jeep adventures ahead of you. One trip down Crown King road to
> Phoenix and you'll have forgotten about missing the gun show.
>
> mc
>