Mike Romain

Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
engines.....

I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....

So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
closed and want to fill it.......

Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
up...

OK, so you now have flushed it out.

You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
holds.

My system holds 12 US quarts.

So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
good for -35F to -38F or so, right.

I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.

When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
3 more quarts of water!

That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
core and block.

If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......

Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Rich

Agreed Mike. I'd use it as a handy bottle for topping off the coolant
overflow tank and that's about it.

--
Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a bunch
more fun stuff. To Reply; shave my hair.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:438E5D24.7E7B669F@sympatico.ca...
> Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> engines.....
>
> I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>
> So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> closed and want to fill it.......
>
> Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> up...
>
> OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>
> You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> holds.
>
> My system holds 12 US quarts.
>
> So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>
> I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>
> When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> 3 more quarts of water!
>
> That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> core and block.
>
> If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>
> Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Rich

Agreed Mike. I'd use it as a handy bottle for topping off the coolant
overflow tank and that's about it.

--
Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a bunch
more fun stuff. To Reply; shave my hair.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:438E5D24.7E7B669F@sympatico.ca...
> Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> engines.....
>
> I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>
> So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> closed and want to fill it.......
>
> Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> up...
>
> OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>
> You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> holds.
>
> My system holds 12 US quarts.
>
> So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>
> I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>
> When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> 3 more quarts of water!
>
> That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> core and block.
>
> If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>
> Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Rich

Agreed Mike. I'd use it as a handy bottle for topping off the coolant
overflow tank and that's about it.

--
Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a bunch
more fun stuff. To Reply; shave my hair.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:438E5D24.7E7B669F@sympatico.ca...
> Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> engines.....
>
> I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>
> So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> closed and want to fill it.......
>
> Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> up...
>
> OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>
> You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> holds.
>
> My system holds 12 US quarts.
>
> So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>
> I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>
> When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> 3 more quarts of water!
>
> That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> core and block.
>
> If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>
> Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Earle Horton

Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where we
discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as they
have already eroded our morals and our culture.

Earle

"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Hrtjf.3258$Yf2.2366@trndny04...
> Agreed Mike. I'd use it as a handy bottle for topping off the coolant
> overflow tank and that's about it.
>
> --
> Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
> head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a
bunch
> more fun stuff. To Reply; shave my hair.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:438E5D24.7E7B669F@sympatico.ca...
> > Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> > in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> > up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> > engines.....
> >
> > I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
> >
> > So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> > with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> > of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> > hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> > closed and want to fill it.......
> >
> > Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> > the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> > hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> > input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> > up...
> >
> > OK, so you now have flushed it out.
> >
> > You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> > holds.
> >
> > My system holds 12 US quarts.
> >
> > So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> > good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
> >
> > I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> > according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
> >
> > When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> > 3 more quarts of water!
> >
> > That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> > core and block.
> >
> > If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> > just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> > allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
> >
> > Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

Earle Horton

Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where we
discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as they
have already eroded our morals and our culture.

Earle

"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Hrtjf.3258$Yf2.2366@trndny04...
> Agreed Mike. I'd use it as a handy bottle for topping off the coolant
> overflow tank and that's about it.
>
> --
> Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
> head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a
bunch
> more fun stuff. To Reply; shave my hair.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:438E5D24.7E7B669F@sympatico.ca...
> > Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> > in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> > up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> > engines.....
> >
> > I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
> >
> > So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> > with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> > of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> > hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> > closed and want to fill it.......
> >
> > Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> > the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> > hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> > input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> > up...
> >
> > OK, so you now have flushed it out.
> >
> > You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> > holds.
> >
> > My system holds 12 US quarts.
> >
> > So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> > good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
> >
> > I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> > according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
> >
> > When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> > 3 more quarts of water!
> >
> > That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> > core and block.
> >
> > If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> > just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> > allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
> >
> > Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

Earle Horton

Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where we
discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as they
have already eroded our morals and our culture.

Earle

"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Hrtjf.3258$Yf2.2366@trndny04...
> Agreed Mike. I'd use it as a handy bottle for topping off the coolant
> overflow tank and that's about it.
>
> --
> Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
> head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a
bunch
> more fun stuff. To Reply; shave my hair.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:438E5D24.7E7B669F@sympatico.ca...
> > Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> > in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> > up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> > engines.....
> >
> > I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
> >
> > So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> > with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> > of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> > hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> > closed and want to fill it.......
> >
> > Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> > the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> > hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> > input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> > up...
> >
> > OK, so you now have flushed it out.
> >
> > You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> > holds.
> >
> > My system holds 12 US quarts.
> >
> > So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> > good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
> >
> > I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> > according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
> >
> > When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> > 3 more quarts of water!
> >
> > That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> > core and block.
> >
> > If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> > just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> > allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
> >
> > Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

yjarray

You see a lot of 'tree-hugger' comments in groups frequented by
outdoorsey types, always used derisively.

All the tree-huggers I know live in the big city, and don't own a
single tree. That must be what makes them experts on nature!

I guess that's the difference between a nature lover and an
environmentalist.

yjarray

You see a lot of 'tree-hugger' comments in groups frequented by
outdoorsey types, always used derisively.

All the tree-huggers I know live in the big city, and don't own a
single tree. That must be what makes them experts on nature!

I guess that's the difference between a nature lover and an
environmentalist.

yjarray

You see a lot of 'tree-hugger' comments in groups frequented by
outdoorsey types, always used derisively.

All the tree-huggers I know live in the big city, and don't own a
single tree. That must be what makes them experts on nature!

I guess that's the difference between a nature lover and an
environmentalist.