Wacky Clutch
12-17-2004, 07:26 PM
#21
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Re: Wacky Clutch
When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no leaks
and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
/Peter
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41C3481E.2F0B7E1B@***.net...
> Hi Peter,
> Sounds like the pressure plate or the dampener springs in the disk
> are coming apart and jamming their release, it may be a rock in there,
> but not if your luck is like mine. That's if the clutch pedal wouldn't
> go to the floor, if it does that's in the hydraulics.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
> >
> > /Peter
and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
/Peter
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41C3481E.2F0B7E1B@***.net...
> Hi Peter,
> Sounds like the pressure plate or the dampener springs in the disk
> are coming apart and jamming their release, it may be a rock in there,
> but not if your luck is like mine. That's if the clutch pedal wouldn't
> go to the floor, if it does that's in the hydraulics.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
> >
> > /Peter
12-17-2004, 07:26 PM
#22
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Re: Wacky Clutch
When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no leaks
and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
/Peter
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41C3481E.2F0B7E1B@***.net...
> Hi Peter,
> Sounds like the pressure plate or the dampener springs in the disk
> are coming apart and jamming their release, it may be a rock in there,
> but not if your luck is like mine. That's if the clutch pedal wouldn't
> go to the floor, if it does that's in the hydraulics.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
> >
> > /Peter
and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
/Peter
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41C3481E.2F0B7E1B@***.net...
> Hi Peter,
> Sounds like the pressure plate or the dampener springs in the disk
> are coming apart and jamming their release, it may be a rock in there,
> but not if your luck is like mine. That's if the clutch pedal wouldn't
> go to the floor, if it does that's in the hydraulics.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
> >
> > /Peter
12-17-2004, 07:32 PM
#23
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Re: Wacky Clutch
Would an air lock just magically disappear? And no, the dealer claims to
have heard nothing unusual. I suspect they didn't drive it enough to
experience the "thunk thunk thunk" business, since it only does that when
fully warmed up.
The NV3550 is known to be a noisy transmission. Mine always has been noisy
when idling in neutral. What's changed recently is that now it makes the
same noise when coasting in gear with the clutch pedal depressed, perhaps
even louder. It didn't do that for the three years I've owned it and now
it's just started. New sounds make me think _something_ is wrong, but it
seems the dealer does not concur.
/Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Wacky Clutch
> My first guess was... air lock in the hydraulic line. But you have
> rattle... that ain't right!. The $teeler not hear that? Mine don't do
that
> (different tranny, but still?)!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
> 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
> 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
> 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
> D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
>
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
> hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
> not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
>
>
have heard nothing unusual. I suspect they didn't drive it enough to
experience the "thunk thunk thunk" business, since it only does that when
fully warmed up.
The NV3550 is known to be a noisy transmission. Mine always has been noisy
when idling in neutral. What's changed recently is that now it makes the
same noise when coasting in gear with the clutch pedal depressed, perhaps
even louder. It didn't do that for the three years I've owned it and now
it's just started. New sounds make me think _something_ is wrong, but it
seems the dealer does not concur.
/Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Wacky Clutch
> My first guess was... air lock in the hydraulic line. But you have
> rattle... that ain't right!. The $teeler not hear that? Mine don't do
that
> (different tranny, but still?)!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
> 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
> 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
> 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
> D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
>
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
> hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
> not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
>
>
12-17-2004, 07:32 PM
#24
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Re: Wacky Clutch
Would an air lock just magically disappear? And no, the dealer claims to
have heard nothing unusual. I suspect they didn't drive it enough to
experience the "thunk thunk thunk" business, since it only does that when
fully warmed up.
The NV3550 is known to be a noisy transmission. Mine always has been noisy
when idling in neutral. What's changed recently is that now it makes the
same noise when coasting in gear with the clutch pedal depressed, perhaps
even louder. It didn't do that for the three years I've owned it and now
it's just started. New sounds make me think _something_ is wrong, but it
seems the dealer does not concur.
/Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Wacky Clutch
> My first guess was... air lock in the hydraulic line. But you have
> rattle... that ain't right!. The $teeler not hear that? Mine don't do
that
> (different tranny, but still?)!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
> 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
> 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
> 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
> D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
>
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
> hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
> not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
>
>
have heard nothing unusual. I suspect they didn't drive it enough to
experience the "thunk thunk thunk" business, since it only does that when
fully warmed up.
The NV3550 is known to be a noisy transmission. Mine always has been noisy
when idling in neutral. What's changed recently is that now it makes the
same noise when coasting in gear with the clutch pedal depressed, perhaps
even louder. It didn't do that for the three years I've owned it and now
it's just started. New sounds make me think _something_ is wrong, but it
seems the dealer does not concur.
/Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Wacky Clutch
> My first guess was... air lock in the hydraulic line. But you have
> rattle... that ain't right!. The $teeler not hear that? Mine don't do
that
> (different tranny, but still?)!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
> 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
> 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
> 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
> D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
>
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
> hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
> not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
>
>
12-17-2004, 07:32 PM
#25
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Re: Wacky Clutch
Would an air lock just magically disappear? And no, the dealer claims to
have heard nothing unusual. I suspect they didn't drive it enough to
experience the "thunk thunk thunk" business, since it only does that when
fully warmed up.
The NV3550 is known to be a noisy transmission. Mine always has been noisy
when idling in neutral. What's changed recently is that now it makes the
same noise when coasting in gear with the clutch pedal depressed, perhaps
even louder. It didn't do that for the three years I've owned it and now
it's just started. New sounds make me think _something_ is wrong, but it
seems the dealer does not concur.
/Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Wacky Clutch
> My first guess was... air lock in the hydraulic line. But you have
> rattle... that ain't right!. The $teeler not hear that? Mine don't do
that
> (different tranny, but still?)!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
> 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
> 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
> 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
> D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
>
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
> hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
> not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
>
>
have heard nothing unusual. I suspect they didn't drive it enough to
experience the "thunk thunk thunk" business, since it only does that when
fully warmed up.
The NV3550 is known to be a noisy transmission. Mine always has been noisy
when idling in neutral. What's changed recently is that now it makes the
same noise when coasting in gear with the clutch pedal depressed, perhaps
even louder. It didn't do that for the three years I've owned it and now
it's just started. New sounds make me think _something_ is wrong, but it
seems the dealer does not concur.
/Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Wacky Clutch
> My first guess was... air lock in the hydraulic line. But you have
> rattle... that ain't right!. The $teeler not hear that? Mine don't do
that
> (different tranny, but still?)!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI
> 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp
> 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear
> 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys
> D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift
>
>
> "Peter Pontbriand" wrote in message ...
> > No, no puddles that I recall. They would have been frozen anyway. It
> hasn't
> > been offroaded since before freeze-up, so it's not like I just did some
> > fording or something.
> >
> > I can't say I've ever heard of a clutch being literally frozen before.
> >
> > So the intermittent warm idle "thunk thunk thunk" from the bellhousing
and
> > the new bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in
> > sounds are unlikely to be related to this disengagement anomaly? (The
new
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-coasting-with-clutch-in sound is
> not
> > the same as the old
> > bunch-of-marbles-rattling-in-a-can-when-in-neutral-with-clutch-out
sound.
> > The latter is standard NV3550 fare I gather.)
>
>
12-17-2004, 07:43 PM
#26
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Re: Wacky Clutch
Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no leaks
> and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
--
DougW
> When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no leaks
> and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
--
DougW
12-17-2004, 07:43 PM
#27
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Re: Wacky Clutch
Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no leaks
> and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
--
DougW
> When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no leaks
> and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
--
DougW
12-17-2004, 07:43 PM
#28
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Re: Wacky Clutch
Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no leaks
> and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
--
DougW
> When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no leaks
> and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
--
DougW
12-17-2004, 08:34 PM
#29
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Re: Wacky Clutch
I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
/Peter
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> > When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no
leaks
> > and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> > accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
>
> Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
/Peter
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:d3Lwd.379$2_4.184@okepread06...
> Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> > When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no
leaks
> > and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> > accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
>
> Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
12-17-2004, 08:34 PM
#30
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Re: Wacky Clutch
I'd be tearing it apart too, if I had a heated garage and a tranny jack.
That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
/Peter
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:d3Lwd.379$2_4.184@okepread06...
> Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> > When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no
leaks
> > and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> > accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
>
> Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
That's going to have to wait for spring I guess.
/Peter
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:d3Lwd.379$2_4.184@okepread06...
> Peter Pontbriand did pass the time by typing:
> > When it happened, the clutch pedal did go to the floor, yet there's no
leaks
> > and everything with the clutch action has gone back to normal of its own
> > accord. Only the odd sounds/vibrations remain.
>
> Just my 2c, but I'd be tearing it apart to look.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>