Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
08-16-2004, 01:55 AM
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Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
I was in Madison. I came back from 'Nam in 70 and they sent me to
grad school at UW before I went to the AF Academy faculty. Fun times
with all the flower children and draft dodgers around - first order
they gave me when I reported in was that I was to wear no article of
the uniform on campus...
Bought a worn out 65 Scout 4-banger at a DNR auction with beefed up
springs to carry snowmobiles and an 8 ton PTO winch. Rebuilt the tc,
tranny and one diff then had all sorts of fun the first winter - snow
every couple of weeks (including one big record setter) and I still
had nearly 6' of it in the back yard on April Fool's day. The next
year was one of those cold as hell, dry gray winters with a couple of
record cold spells which was enough to make Colorado seem tropical
when I got there. I loved the Fall weather up there but what do you
do with the other ten months of the year???
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:28:04 UTC "Eric Shade" <augnero@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> What do you mean way up in Wisconsin? Depends where in Wisconsin, though I
> suppose. I was born and raised in the U.P. and am now trapped in Indiana,
> but I miss those cold winters (sounds funny), I also miss my dad's old IH
> Scout (65). Cranking out 90 HP but pushing an 8 1/2 foot snow plow. Those
> were the days. Where in Wisconsin were you? I lived in Wisconsin it was in
> Park Falls, WI. Born and raised in Escanaba, MI though.
>
> > Sounds good, but 'taint always that easy. I had an old Scout
> > (4-banger) when I was stationed up in Wisconsin that was a good case
> > in point. Now, the fancy multi-grade gear oils were hard to come by
> > in the late 60's so that bitchin cold winter saw a routine like this
> > when it hit 35 below a few times:
> >
> > Clutch in, hope to get the engine to fire without flooding (if it
> > floods, it's all over until you pull the plugs and defrost them).
> > Engine running, tranny in neutral, rev the engine up to a really fast
> > idle and left the clutch out SLOWLY. May have to feather it in and
> > out a few time to stir the tranny up enough to turn over. Sit there
> > until it idles with the clutch out in neutral.
> >
> > Clutch in, transfer case to neutral, shift to reverse (highest ratio
> > in the old 3-spd). Repeat the above step until it idles in reverse
> > with the tc in neutral. Then go thru the gears to sling some of the
> > gum off the rotating parts.
> >
> > Now comes the real fun. I was fortunate enough to have the twin stick
> > tc so I had 2wd low range available, which made it easier. Low range,
> > first gear or reverse (reverse was better) race hell out of the engine
> > and try to break the rear diff and wheels loose enough to move. Works
> > best if you head downhill. I had a block heater that actually worked,
> > but getting the gears to turn was a real challenge. I finally solved
> > the problem, tho: I moved to where it didn't get that cold.
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
--
Will Honea
grad school at UW before I went to the AF Academy faculty. Fun times
with all the flower children and draft dodgers around - first order
they gave me when I reported in was that I was to wear no article of
the uniform on campus...
Bought a worn out 65 Scout 4-banger at a DNR auction with beefed up
springs to carry snowmobiles and an 8 ton PTO winch. Rebuilt the tc,
tranny and one diff then had all sorts of fun the first winter - snow
every couple of weeks (including one big record setter) and I still
had nearly 6' of it in the back yard on April Fool's day. The next
year was one of those cold as hell, dry gray winters with a couple of
record cold spells which was enough to make Colorado seem tropical
when I got there. I loved the Fall weather up there but what do you
do with the other ten months of the year???
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:28:04 UTC "Eric Shade" <augnero@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> What do you mean way up in Wisconsin? Depends where in Wisconsin, though I
> suppose. I was born and raised in the U.P. and am now trapped in Indiana,
> but I miss those cold winters (sounds funny), I also miss my dad's old IH
> Scout (65). Cranking out 90 HP but pushing an 8 1/2 foot snow plow. Those
> were the days. Where in Wisconsin were you? I lived in Wisconsin it was in
> Park Falls, WI. Born and raised in Escanaba, MI though.
>
> > Sounds good, but 'taint always that easy. I had an old Scout
> > (4-banger) when I was stationed up in Wisconsin that was a good case
> > in point. Now, the fancy multi-grade gear oils were hard to come by
> > in the late 60's so that bitchin cold winter saw a routine like this
> > when it hit 35 below a few times:
> >
> > Clutch in, hope to get the engine to fire without flooding (if it
> > floods, it's all over until you pull the plugs and defrost them).
> > Engine running, tranny in neutral, rev the engine up to a really fast
> > idle and left the clutch out SLOWLY. May have to feather it in and
> > out a few time to stir the tranny up enough to turn over. Sit there
> > until it idles with the clutch out in neutral.
> >
> > Clutch in, transfer case to neutral, shift to reverse (highest ratio
> > in the old 3-spd). Repeat the above step until it idles in reverse
> > with the tc in neutral. Then go thru the gears to sling some of the
> > gum off the rotating parts.
> >
> > Now comes the real fun. I was fortunate enough to have the twin stick
> > tc so I had 2wd low range available, which made it easier. Low range,
> > first gear or reverse (reverse was better) race hell out of the engine
> > and try to break the rear diff and wheels loose enough to move. Works
> > best if you head downhill. I had a block heater that actually worked,
> > but getting the gears to turn was a real challenge. I finally solved
> > the problem, tho: I moved to where it didn't get that cold.
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
--
Will Honea
08-16-2004, 02:33 AM
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Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
Hi Lon,
Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Lon wrote:
>
> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
> fibreglass.
>
> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Lon wrote:
>
> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
> fibreglass.
>
> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
08-16-2004, 02:33 AM
#123
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Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
Hi Lon,
Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Lon wrote:
>
> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
> fibreglass.
>
> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Lon wrote:
>
> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
> fibreglass.
>
> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
08-16-2004, 02:33 AM
#124
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Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
Hi Lon,
Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Lon wrote:
>
> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
> fibreglass.
>
> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Lon wrote:
>
> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
> fibreglass.
>
> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
08-16-2004, 02:33 AM
#125
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Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
Hi Lon,
Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Lon wrote:
>
> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
> fibreglass.
>
> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Lon wrote:
>
> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
> fibreglass.
>
> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
08-16-2004, 08:24 PM
#126
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Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
I know. Had a set on a 66 Impala SS. Left them on for less than
6 months before removing them and putting on a set of Dunlop
"dog biscuit" 70 series radials.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
> tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
> Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
> G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Lon wrote:
>
>> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
>> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
>> fibreglass.
>>
>> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
>> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
6 months before removing them and putting on a set of Dunlop
"dog biscuit" 70 series radials.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
> tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
> Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
> G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Lon wrote:
>
>> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
>> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
>> fibreglass.
>>
>> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
>> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
08-16-2004, 08:24 PM
#127
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Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
I know. Had a set on a 66 Impala SS. Left them on for less than
6 months before removing them and putting on a set of Dunlop
"dog biscuit" 70 series radials.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
> tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
> Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
> G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Lon wrote:
>
>> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
>> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
>> fibreglass.
>>
>> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
>> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
6 months before removing them and putting on a set of Dunlop
"dog biscuit" 70 series radials.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
> tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
> Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
> G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Lon wrote:
>
>> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
>> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
>> fibreglass.
>>
>> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
>> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
08-16-2004, 08:24 PM
#128
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Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
I know. Had a set on a 66 Impala SS. Left them on for less than
6 months before removing them and putting on a set of Dunlop
"dog biscuit" 70 series radials.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
> tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
> Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
> G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Lon wrote:
>
>> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
>> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
>> fibreglass.
>>
>> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
>> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
6 months before removing them and putting on a set of Dunlop
"dog biscuit" 70 series radials.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
> tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
> Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
> G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Lon wrote:
>
>> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
>> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
>> fibreglass.
>>
>> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
>> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
08-16-2004, 08:24 PM
#129
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Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
I know. Had a set on a 66 Impala SS. Left them on for less than
6 months before removing them and putting on a set of Dunlop
"dog biscuit" 70 series radials.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
> tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
> Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
> G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Lon wrote:
>
>> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
>> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
>> fibreglass.
>>
>> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
>> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
6 months before removing them and putting on a set of Dunlop
"dog biscuit" 70 series radials.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Lon,
> Fiberglass was used in the the first belted bias, seventy series
> tires originally designed to for the muscles cars like '65 Pony and
> Goat. They used the red strip side wall. And a new nomenclature like
> G70X15 instead of 710X15: http://www.----------.com/redStripTire.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> Lon wrote:
>
>> I don't remember rayon flat spotting much, it just self destructed
>> with moisture. Nylon develops flat spots, as did some of the
>> fibreglass.
>>
>> Some of the Pirelli radials still nylon plys, but enough steel that
>> the flatspotting isn't as noticeable
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