Jeff Strickland

The jury is out, but as a general rule the V6 makes its power at speeds well
off of idle, but the old I6 makes 80% or 90% of its torque while idling. The
result is that the old I6 makes for better rock crawling because you can
select 1st in 4LO and have more than enough power to creep (crawl) over
stuff.

On the other hand, the V6 makes its power at speed, so it will make for a
far more pleasant commute -- where engine speeds are high, and thus noisey.

I can't say for certain, but the odds favor the new V6 to be a poor
performer for offroading. Having said that, the old 225 Even Fire (and, for
that matter the Odd Fire as well) were very desirable engines in the olden
days. But, when those motors were in production, they were essentially V8s
with two chopped off of one end. The point being, they had a long stroke,
which is where torque comes from. A motor with a short stroke will produce
torque further up on the RPM band, and offroaders (rock crawlers) prefer the
torque to be very low on the RPM band. It is far better to pull a stump at
idle than it is to yank it at 3000 RPM.





"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?
http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...dyno_chart.jpg
I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:
http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html
>





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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?
http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...dyno_chart.jpg
I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:
http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html
>





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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?
http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...dyno_chart.jpg
I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:
http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html
>





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=?iso-8859-1?q?Pink_Freud=A9=AE?=

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:06:17 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> but what is this name "Target"

You don't know what a target is?

And you claim to have a CCW? (temporarily, if at all)

Ask a child about 7-years-old what a target is, and they'll explain it to
you in language you'll almost be able to comprehend.

BTW, do you know what a 'barn-door' is? You should since you were whelped
behind one.

[phr gur erthyne ebhgvar]

--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."

-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer

=?iso-8859-1?q?Pink_Freud=A9=AE?=

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:06:17 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> but what is this name "Target"

You don't know what a target is?

And you claim to have a CCW? (temporarily, if at all)

Ask a child about 7-years-old what a target is, and they'll explain it to
you in language you'll almost be able to comprehend.

BTW, do you know what a 'barn-door' is? You should since you were whelped
behind one.

[phr gur erthyne ebhgvar]

--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."

-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer

=?iso-8859-1?q?Pink_Freud=A9=AE?=

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:06:17 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> but what is this name "Target"

You don't know what a target is?

And you claim to have a CCW? (temporarily, if at all)

Ask a child about 7-years-old what a target is, and they'll explain it to
you in language you'll almost be able to comprehend.

BTW, do you know what a 'barn-door' is? You should since you were whelped
behind one.

[phr gur erthyne ebhgvar]

--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."

-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer

nrs

On Oct 25, 5:06 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
> name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...+2007_jeep_wra...
> I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
> out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
> the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> > the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
> http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui...ep_wrangler_ru...
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

It could be lying but supposedly it is a chart that is not generally
made available to the public. Who knows? What I can say is that
some local guys who had Yjs and TJs and then bought JKs are pretty
happy with them. A shootout was organized locally to test the TJ
rubicon and the JK rubicon on the same day, same obstacles, etc and
the JK was declared to be the clear winner. Another shootout was
organized to compare the TJ rubicon with a Toyota FJ cruiser and the
cruiser had to abort because the control arms were getting bent just
from the flexing!

nrs

On Oct 25, 5:06 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
> name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...+2007_jeep_wra...
> I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
> out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
> the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> > the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
> http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui...ep_wrangler_ru...
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

It could be lying but supposedly it is a chart that is not generally
made available to the public. Who knows? What I can say is that
some local guys who had Yjs and TJs and then bought JKs are pretty
happy with them. A shootout was organized locally to test the TJ
rubicon and the JK rubicon on the same day, same obstacles, etc and
the JK was declared to be the clear winner. Another shootout was
organized to compare the TJ rubicon with a Toyota FJ cruiser and the
cruiser had to abort because the control arms were getting bent just
from the flexing!

nrs

On Oct 25, 5:06 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
> name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...+2007_jeep_wra...
> I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
> out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
> the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> > the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
> http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui...ep_wrangler_ru...
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

It could be lying but supposedly it is a chart that is not generally
made available to the public. Who knows? What I can say is that
some local guys who had Yjs and TJs and then bought JKs are pretty
happy with them. A shootout was organized locally to test the TJ
rubicon and the JK rubicon on the same day, same obstacles, etc and
the JK was declared to be the clear winner. Another shootout was
organized to compare the TJ rubicon with a Toyota FJ cruiser and the
cruiser had to abort because the control arms were getting bent just
from the flexing!