V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
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Thanks, Matt. I had never set this up before, but I think I've got a
killfile mechanism in place. That has been some of the craziest stuff I've
seen in a long time. Pathetic is right. Why he would waist so much time
responding to his atagonist, I'll never know. The guy has really hooked him
in.
Killfile engaged - onward......
-Fred
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your inbox
> will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his pathetic "if
> I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and anyone who
> disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp" (sic) response.
>
>
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>>comment.
>>
>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody see
>> the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and PERPETUATED?
>> I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this newsgroup for a
>> while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone that recently
>> returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of sorting through the
>> mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep topics?
>>
>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just simply
>> refuse to play.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>
>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and off
>>> road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this the last
>>> Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll see more
>>> folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a JK report in
>>> the same consensus.
>>>
>>> Other Stuff:
>>>
>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that there are
>>> a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing it, it ain't
>>> right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm starting to
>>> think he may have some valid points buried in his posts. And is there
>>> anyone else here that finds it interesting (and maybe as equally
>>> neurotic) that Bill feels a need to constantly respond to him?!?
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've owned six
>>>> Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em. The one I
>>>> traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a terrific
>>>> performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of them - off or on
>>>> road, but admitedly especially on road. With the six-speed transmission
>>>> and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and 2nd gears, it's a ball to
>>>> drive anywhere. And the torque and horsepower curves seem to sum up
>>>> everything very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
>>>>> you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
killfile mechanism in place. That has been some of the craziest stuff I've
seen in a long time. Pathetic is right. Why he would waist so much time
responding to his atagonist, I'll never know. The guy has really hooked him
in.
Killfile engaged - onward......
-Fred
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your inbox
> will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his pathetic "if
> I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and anyone who
> disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp" (sic) response.
>
>
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>>comment.
>>
>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody see
>> the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and PERPETUATED?
>> I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this newsgroup for a
>> while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone that recently
>> returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of sorting through the
>> mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep topics?
>>
>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just simply
>> refuse to play.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>
>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and off
>>> road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this the last
>>> Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll see more
>>> folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a JK report in
>>> the same consensus.
>>>
>>> Other Stuff:
>>>
>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that there are
>>> a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing it, it ain't
>>> right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm starting to
>>> think he may have some valid points buried in his posts. And is there
>>> anyone else here that finds it interesting (and maybe as equally
>>> neurotic) that Bill feels a need to constantly respond to him?!?
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've owned six
>>>> Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em. The one I
>>>> traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a terrific
>>>> performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of them - off or on
>>>> road, but admitedly especially on road. With the six-speed transmission
>>>> and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and 2nd gears, it's a ball to
>>>> drive anywhere. And the torque and horsepower curves seem to sum up
>>>> everything very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
>>>>> you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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Posts: n/a
I have him and his friends killfiled so I don't see 95% of what they do.
Sometimes I will see what was quoted in someone else's reply, and I see he
didn't fail to prove me right.
"Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
news:47234227$0$25664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Thanks, Matt. I had never set this up before, but I think I've got a
> killfile mechanism in place. That has been some of the craziest stuff
> I've seen in a long time. Pathetic is right. Why he would waist so much
> time responding to his atagonist, I'll never know. The guy has really
> hooked him in.
>
> Killfile engaged - onward......
>
> -Fred
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
>> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
>> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
>> (sic) response.
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>>>comment.
>>>
>>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody see
>>> the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>>> PERPETUATED? I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this
>>> newsgroup for a while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone
>>> that recently returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of
>>> sorting through the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep
>>> topics?
>>>
>>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just simply
>>> refuse to play.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and off
>>>> road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this the last
>>>> Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll see more
>>>> folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a JK report in
>>>> the same consensus.
>>>>
>>>> Other Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that there are
>>>> a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing it, it
>>>> ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm starting
>>>> to think he may have some valid points buried in his posts. And is
>>>> there anyone else here that finds it interesting (and maybe as equally
>>>> neurotic) that Bill feels a need to constantly respond to him?!?
>>>>
>>>> -Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've owned
>>>>> six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em. The one I
>>>>> traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a terrific
>>>>> performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of them - off or on
>>>>> road, but admitedly especially on road. With the six-speed
>>>>> transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and 2nd gears, it's
>>>>> a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and horsepower curves seem to
>>>>> sum up everything very well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
>>>>>> you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Sometimes I will see what was quoted in someone else's reply, and I see he
didn't fail to prove me right.
"Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
news:47234227$0$25664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Thanks, Matt. I had never set this up before, but I think I've got a
> killfile mechanism in place. That has been some of the craziest stuff
> I've seen in a long time. Pathetic is right. Why he would waist so much
> time responding to his atagonist, I'll never know. The guy has really
> hooked him in.
>
> Killfile engaged - onward......
>
> -Fred
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
>> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
>> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
>> (sic) response.
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>>>comment.
>>>
>>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody see
>>> the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>>> PERPETUATED? I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this
>>> newsgroup for a while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone
>>> that recently returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of
>>> sorting through the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep
>>> topics?
>>>
>>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just simply
>>> refuse to play.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and off
>>>> road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this the last
>>>> Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll see more
>>>> folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a JK report in
>>>> the same consensus.
>>>>
>>>> Other Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that there are
>>>> a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing it, it
>>>> ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm starting
>>>> to think he may have some valid points buried in his posts. And is
>>>> there anyone else here that finds it interesting (and maybe as equally
>>>> neurotic) that Bill feels a need to constantly respond to him?!?
>>>>
>>>> -Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've owned
>>>>> six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em. The one I
>>>>> traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a terrific
>>>>> performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of them - off or on
>>>>> road, but admitedly especially on road. With the six-speed
>>>>> transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and 2nd gears, it's
>>>>> a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and horsepower curves seem to
>>>>> sum up everything very well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
>>>>>> you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
I have him and his friends killfiled so I don't see 95% of what they do.
Sometimes I will see what was quoted in someone else's reply, and I see he
didn't fail to prove me right.
"Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
news:47234227$0$25664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Thanks, Matt. I had never set this up before, but I think I've got a
> killfile mechanism in place. That has been some of the craziest stuff
> I've seen in a long time. Pathetic is right. Why he would waist so much
> time responding to his atagonist, I'll never know. The guy has really
> hooked him in.
>
> Killfile engaged - onward......
>
> -Fred
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
>> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
>> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
>> (sic) response.
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>>>comment.
>>>
>>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody see
>>> the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>>> PERPETUATED? I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this
>>> newsgroup for a while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone
>>> that recently returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of
>>> sorting through the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep
>>> topics?
>>>
>>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just simply
>>> refuse to play.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and off
>>>> road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this the last
>>>> Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll see more
>>>> folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a JK report in
>>>> the same consensus.
>>>>
>>>> Other Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that there are
>>>> a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing it, it
>>>> ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm starting
>>>> to think he may have some valid points buried in his posts. And is
>>>> there anyone else here that finds it interesting (and maybe as equally
>>>> neurotic) that Bill feels a need to constantly respond to him?!?
>>>>
>>>> -Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've owned
>>>>> six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em. The one I
>>>>> traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a terrific
>>>>> performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of them - off or on
>>>>> road, but admitedly especially on road. With the six-speed
>>>>> transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and 2nd gears, it's
>>>>> a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and horsepower curves seem to
>>>>> sum up everything very well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
>>>>>> you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Sometimes I will see what was quoted in someone else's reply, and I see he
didn't fail to prove me right.
"Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
news:47234227$0$25664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Thanks, Matt. I had never set this up before, but I think I've got a
> killfile mechanism in place. That has been some of the craziest stuff
> I've seen in a long time. Pathetic is right. Why he would waist so much
> time responding to his atagonist, I'll never know. The guy has really
> hooked him in.
>
> Killfile engaged - onward......
>
> -Fred
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
>> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
>> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
>> (sic) response.
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>>>comment.
>>>
>>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody see
>>> the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>>> PERPETUATED? I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this
>>> newsgroup for a while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone
>>> that recently returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of
>>> sorting through the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep
>>> topics?
>>>
>>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just simply
>>> refuse to play.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and off
>>>> road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this the last
>>>> Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll see more
>>>> folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a JK report in
>>>> the same consensus.
>>>>
>>>> Other Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that there are
>>>> a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing it, it
>>>> ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm starting
>>>> to think he may have some valid points buried in his posts. And is
>>>> there anyone else here that finds it interesting (and maybe as equally
>>>> neurotic) that Bill feels a need to constantly respond to him?!?
>>>>
>>>> -Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've owned
>>>>> six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em. The one I
>>>>> traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a terrific
>>>>> performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of them - off or on
>>>>> road, but admitedly especially on road. With the six-speed
>>>>> transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and 2nd gears, it's
>>>>> a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and horsepower curves seem to
>>>>> sum up everything very well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
>>>>>> you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
I have him and his friends killfiled so I don't see 95% of what they do.
Sometimes I will see what was quoted in someone else's reply, and I see he
didn't fail to prove me right.
"Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
news:47234227$0$25664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Thanks, Matt. I had never set this up before, but I think I've got a
> killfile mechanism in place. That has been some of the craziest stuff
> I've seen in a long time. Pathetic is right. Why he would waist so much
> time responding to his atagonist, I'll never know. The guy has really
> hooked him in.
>
> Killfile engaged - onward......
>
> -Fred
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
>> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
>> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
>> (sic) response.
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>>>comment.
>>>
>>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody see
>>> the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>>> PERPETUATED? I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this
>>> newsgroup for a while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone
>>> that recently returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of
>>> sorting through the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep
>>> topics?
>>>
>>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just simply
>>> refuse to play.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and off
>>>> road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this the last
>>>> Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll see more
>>>> folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a JK report in
>>>> the same consensus.
>>>>
>>>> Other Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that there are
>>>> a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing it, it
>>>> ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm starting
>>>> to think he may have some valid points buried in his posts. And is
>>>> there anyone else here that finds it interesting (and maybe as equally
>>>> neurotic) that Bill feels a need to constantly respond to him?!?
>>>>
>>>> -Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've owned
>>>>> six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em. The one I
>>>>> traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a terrific
>>>>> performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of them - off or on
>>>>> road, but admitedly especially on road. With the six-speed
>>>>> transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and 2nd gears, it's
>>>>> a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and horsepower curves seem to
>>>>> sum up everything very well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
>>>>>> you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Sometimes I will see what was quoted in someone else's reply, and I see he
didn't fail to prove me right.
"Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
news:47234227$0$25664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Thanks, Matt. I had never set this up before, but I think I've got a
> killfile mechanism in place. That has been some of the craziest stuff
> I've seen in a long time. Pathetic is right. Why he would waist so much
> time responding to his atagonist, I'll never know. The guy has really
> hooked him in.
>
> Killfile engaged - onward......
>
> -Fred
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
>> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
>> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
>> (sic) response.
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>>>comment.
>>>
>>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody see
>>> the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>>> PERPETUATED? I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this
>>> newsgroup for a while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone
>>> that recently returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of
>>> sorting through the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep
>>> topics?
>>>
>>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just simply
>>> refuse to play.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and off
>>>> road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this the last
>>>> Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll see more
>>>> folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a JK report in
>>>> the same consensus.
>>>>
>>>> Other Stuff:
>>>>
>>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that there are
>>>> a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing it, it
>>>> ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm starting
>>>> to think he may have some valid points buried in his posts. And is
>>>> there anyone else here that finds it interesting (and maybe as equally
>>>> neurotic) that Bill feels a need to constantly respond to him?!?
>>>>
>>>> -Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've owned
>>>>> six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em. The one I
>>>>> traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a terrific
>>>>> performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of them - off or on
>>>>> road, but admitedly especially on road. With the six-speed
>>>>> transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and 2nd gears, it's
>>>>> a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and horsepower curves seem to
>>>>> sum up everything very well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
>>>>>> you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
> (sic) response.
It helps to killfile replies to him as well, if you have a way to do
that.
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>> comment.
>>
>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody
>> see the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>> PERPETUATED?
>> I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this newsgroup for
>> a
>> while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone that
>> recently
>> returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of sorting
>> through
>> the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep topics?
>>
>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just
>> simply refuse to play.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>
>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and
>>> off road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this
>>> the
>>> last Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll
>>> see more folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a
>>> JK report in the same consensus.
>>>
>>> Other Stuff:
>>>
>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that
>>> there
>>> are a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing
>>> it,
>>> it ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm
>>> starting to think he may have some valid points buried in his
>>> posts. And is there anyone else here that finds it interesting
>>> (and maybe as equally neurotic) that Bill feels a need to
>>> constantly respond to him?!?
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've
>>>> owned six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em.
>>>> The one I traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a
>>>> terrific performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of
>>>> them
>>>> - off or on road, but admitedly especially on road. With the
>>>> six-speed transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and
>>>> 2nd gears, it's a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and
>>>> horsepower curves seem to sum up everything very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter"
>>>>> <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and
>>>>>> that it's
>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it?
>>>>> Especially if you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
> (sic) response.
It helps to killfile replies to him as well, if you have a way to do
that.
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>> comment.
>>
>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody
>> see the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>> PERPETUATED?
>> I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this newsgroup for
>> a
>> while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone that
>> recently
>> returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of sorting
>> through
>> the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep topics?
>>
>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just
>> simply refuse to play.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>
>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and
>>> off road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this
>>> the
>>> last Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll
>>> see more folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a
>>> JK report in the same consensus.
>>>
>>> Other Stuff:
>>>
>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that
>>> there
>>> are a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing
>>> it,
>>> it ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm
>>> starting to think he may have some valid points buried in his
>>> posts. And is there anyone else here that finds it interesting
>>> (and maybe as equally neurotic) that Bill feels a need to
>>> constantly respond to him?!?
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've
>>>> owned six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em.
>>>> The one I traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a
>>>> terrific performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of
>>>> them
>>>> - off or on road, but admitedly especially on road. With the
>>>> six-speed transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and
>>>> 2nd gears, it's a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and
>>>> horsepower curves seem to sum up everything very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter"
>>>>> <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and
>>>>>> that it's
>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it?
>>>>> Especially if you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Guest
Posts: n/a
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
> (sic) response.
It helps to killfile replies to him as well, if you have a way to do
that.
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>> comment.
>>
>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody
>> see the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>> PERPETUATED?
>> I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this newsgroup for
>> a
>> while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone that
>> recently
>> returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of sorting
>> through
>> the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep topics?
>>
>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just
>> simply refuse to play.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>
>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and
>>> off road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this
>>> the
>>> last Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll
>>> see more folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a
>>> JK report in the same consensus.
>>>
>>> Other Stuff:
>>>
>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that
>>> there
>>> are a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing
>>> it,
>>> it ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm
>>> starting to think he may have some valid points buried in his
>>> posts. And is there anyone else here that finds it interesting
>>> (and maybe as equally neurotic) that Bill feels a need to
>>> constantly respond to him?!?
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've
>>>> owned six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em.
>>>> The one I traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a
>>>> terrific performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of
>>>> them
>>>> - off or on road, but admitedly especially on road. With the
>>>> six-speed transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and
>>>> 2nd gears, it's a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and
>>>> horsepower curves seem to sum up everything very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter"
>>>>> <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and
>>>>>> that it's
>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it?
>>>>> Especially if you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
> (sic) response.
It helps to killfile replies to him as well, if you have a way to do
that.
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>> comment.
>>
>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody
>> see the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>> PERPETUATED?
>> I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this newsgroup for
>> a
>> while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone that
>> recently
>> returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of sorting
>> through
>> the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep topics?
>>
>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just
>> simply refuse to play.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>
>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and
>>> off road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this
>>> the
>>> last Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll
>>> see more folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a
>>> JK report in the same consensus.
>>>
>>> Other Stuff:
>>>
>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that
>>> there
>>> are a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing
>>> it,
>>> it ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm
>>> starting to think he may have some valid points buried in his
>>> posts. And is there anyone else here that finds it interesting
>>> (and maybe as equally neurotic) that Bill feels a need to
>>> constantly respond to him?!?
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've
>>>> owned six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em.
>>>> The one I traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a
>>>> terrific performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of
>>>> them
>>>> - off or on road, but admitedly especially on road. With the
>>>> six-speed transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and
>>>> 2nd gears, it's a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and
>>>> horsepower curves seem to sum up everything very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter"
>>>>> <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and
>>>>>> that it's
>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it?
>>>>> Especially if you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Guest
Posts: n/a
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
> (sic) response.
It helps to killfile replies to him as well, if you have a way to do
that.
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>> comment.
>>
>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody
>> see the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>> PERPETUATED?
>> I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this newsgroup for
>> a
>> while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone that
>> recently
>> returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of sorting
>> through
>> the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep topics?
>>
>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just
>> simply refuse to play.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>
>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and
>>> off road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this
>>> the
>>> last Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll
>>> see more folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a
>>> JK report in the same consensus.
>>>
>>> Other Stuff:
>>>
>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that
>>> there
>>> are a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing
>>> it,
>>> it ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm
>>> starting to think he may have some valid points buried in his
>>> posts. And is there anyone else here that finds it interesting
>>> (and maybe as equally neurotic) that Bill feels a need to
>>> constantly respond to him?!?
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've
>>>> owned six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em.
>>>> The one I traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a
>>>> terrific performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of
>>>> them
>>>> - off or on road, but admitedly especially on road. With the
>>>> six-speed transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and
>>>> 2nd gears, it's a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and
>>>> horsepower curves seem to sum up everything very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter"
>>>>> <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and
>>>>>> that it's
>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it?
>>>>> Especially if you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
> inbox will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his
> pathetic "if I don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and
> anyone who disagrees with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp"
> (sic) response.
It helps to killfile replies to him as well, if you have a way to do
that.
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4721f2c2$0$20585$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I don't want to waist too much time on this, but I want to further
>> comment.
>>
>> Because of Bill's need to constantly respond to Pink Freud, BILL is
>> spamming this newsgroup. How many messages has he posted that say
>> something "This from the biggest spammer of them all!"??? Anybody
>> see the irony? How many off topic messages have BILL posted and
>> PERPETUATED?
>> I'm thinking that everyone who's been monitoring this newsgroup for
>> a
>> while has gotten used to this craziness, but as someone that
>> recently
>> returned, I find it ridicules. Anybody else tired of sorting
>> through
>> the mess laid out by these two to get to real Jeep topics?
>>
>> This WILL be the last spam message I post about this. I'll just
>> simply refuse to play.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4721e369$0$16504$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Jeep Stuff:
>>>
>>> I agree. I own 3 TJs and a 08 JK. I really enjoy the JK, on and
>>> off road, better than the others. It's my plan is to make this
>>> the
>>> last Jeep I own, so I dig the Lifetime warranty. I believe we'll
>>> see more folks who *actually own* or have owned legacy Jeeps and a
>>> JK report in the same consensus.
>>>
>>> Other Stuff:
>>>
>>> I've been away from this group for a while, but it seems that
>>> there
>>> are a few crusty individuals that seem to say "if I'm not doing
>>> it,
>>> it ain't right." Pink Freud *seems* to be a crazy dude, but I'm
>>> starting to think he may have some valid points buried in his
>>> posts. And is there anyone else here that finds it interesting
>>> (and maybe as equally neurotic) that Bill feels a need to
>>> constantly respond to him?!?
>>>
>>> -Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xqidnS_DYPkSurzanZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> I'm not the least bit "worried" about it - just curious. I've
>>>> owned six Wranglers, starting with a CJ5. And I liked all of 'em.
>>>> The one I traded in on the new one was an '03 Sport. And it was a
>>>> terrific performer. But I like the '08 far better than any of
>>>> them
>>>> - off or on road, but admitedly especially on road. With the
>>>> six-speed transmission and a really down-in-the-basement 1st and
>>>> 2nd gears, it's a ball to drive anywhere. And the torque and
>>>> horsepower curves seem to sum up everything very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1193328132.195782.236980@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter"
>>>>> <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>>>>> Mitsubushi.
>>>>>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and
>>>>>> that it's
>>>>>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it?
>>>>> Especially if you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.
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--
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:34:39 -0400, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Fred, you're wasting your time, trying to be reasonable with Bill. He's gone
> off the deep end over the last few months. He got into a flame war in
> another group and it followed him here. Not to say his nemeses aren't
> responsible for crapping on the group as well, but he can't let it go.
> Really, he thinks if he doesn't respond to EVERY troll post, the terrorists
> will win! And they know he will respond, because they are playing him like a
> violin. Many regulars have begged him to continue his efforts in reporting
> these folks to their ISP's, but to cease posting every reply, and he has
> ignored us. He things he has to destroy the group to save it. If he just
> stops, the trolls will stop.
Very true.
>
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4722c7c7$0$32516$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Bill:
>>
>> For the record, I have not visited this group in a couple of years (until
>> recently).
>>
>> The fact that you keep responding to Pink Freud is bizarre. Pink Freud is
>> a nut case, but your behavior is no better. Take a look around, you're
>> not saving this group, you're spamming the hell out of it. It's
>> craziness - both of you. I really thought you were the saner of the two,
>> but now I'm not so sure.
>>
>> Also, it's funny - I have no association with the other crazy dude, but
>> because I make a point you don't like, you assume I'm part of his
>> attack?!? Nutty.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
>> news:47224fda$0$26403$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> You're the typical bleeding heart liberal wacko limp, coward. You may
>>> thank me later for saving this group.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>>>> inbox
>>>> will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his pathetic
>>>> "if
>>> I
>>>> don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and anyone who
>>>> disagrees
>>>> with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp" (sic) response.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer
> Fred, you're wasting your time, trying to be reasonable with Bill. He's gone
> off the deep end over the last few months. He got into a flame war in
> another group and it followed him here. Not to say his nemeses aren't
> responsible for crapping on the group as well, but he can't let it go.
> Really, he thinks if he doesn't respond to EVERY troll post, the terrorists
> will win! And they know he will respond, because they are playing him like a
> violin. Many regulars have begged him to continue his efforts in reporting
> these folks to their ISP's, but to cease posting every reply, and he has
> ignored us. He things he has to destroy the group to save it. If he just
> stops, the trolls will stop.
Very true.
>
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4722c7c7$0$32516$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Bill:
>>
>> For the record, I have not visited this group in a couple of years (until
>> recently).
>>
>> The fact that you keep responding to Pink Freud is bizarre. Pink Freud is
>> a nut case, but your behavior is no better. Take a look around, you're
>> not saving this group, you're spamming the hell out of it. It's
>> craziness - both of you. I really thought you were the saner of the two,
>> but now I'm not so sure.
>>
>> Also, it's funny - I have no association with the other crazy dude, but
>> because I make a point you don't like, you assume I'm part of his
>> attack?!? Nutty.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
>> news:47224fda$0$26403$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> You're the typical bleeding heart liberal wacko limp, coward. You may
>>> thank me later for saving this group.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>>>> inbox
>>>> will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his pathetic
>>>> "if
>>> I
>>>> don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and anyone who
>>>> disagrees
>>>> with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp" (sic) response.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:34:39 -0400, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Fred, you're wasting your time, trying to be reasonable with Bill. He's gone
> off the deep end over the last few months. He got into a flame war in
> another group and it followed him here. Not to say his nemeses aren't
> responsible for crapping on the group as well, but he can't let it go.
> Really, he thinks if he doesn't respond to EVERY troll post, the terrorists
> will win! And they know he will respond, because they are playing him like a
> violin. Many regulars have begged him to continue his efforts in reporting
> these folks to their ISP's, but to cease posting every reply, and he has
> ignored us. He things he has to destroy the group to save it. If he just
> stops, the trolls will stop.
Very true.
>
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4722c7c7$0$32516$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Bill:
>>
>> For the record, I have not visited this group in a couple of years (until
>> recently).
>>
>> The fact that you keep responding to Pink Freud is bizarre. Pink Freud is
>> a nut case, but your behavior is no better. Take a look around, you're
>> not saving this group, you're spamming the hell out of it. It's
>> craziness - both of you. I really thought you were the saner of the two,
>> but now I'm not so sure.
>>
>> Also, it's funny - I have no association with the other crazy dude, but
>> because I make a point you don't like, you assume I'm part of his
>> attack?!? Nutty.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
>> news:47224fda$0$26403$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> You're the typical bleeding heart liberal wacko limp, coward. You may
>>> thank me later for saving this group.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>>>> inbox
>>>> will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his pathetic
>>>> "if
>>> I
>>>> don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and anyone who
>>>> disagrees
>>>> with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp" (sic) response.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer
> Fred, you're wasting your time, trying to be reasonable with Bill. He's gone
> off the deep end over the last few months. He got into a flame war in
> another group and it followed him here. Not to say his nemeses aren't
> responsible for crapping on the group as well, but he can't let it go.
> Really, he thinks if he doesn't respond to EVERY troll post, the terrorists
> will win! And they know he will respond, because they are playing him like a
> violin. Many regulars have begged him to continue his efforts in reporting
> these folks to their ISP's, but to cease posting every reply, and he has
> ignored us. He things he has to destroy the group to save it. If he just
> stops, the trolls will stop.
Very true.
>
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4722c7c7$0$32516$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Bill:
>>
>> For the record, I have not visited this group in a couple of years (until
>> recently).
>>
>> The fact that you keep responding to Pink Freud is bizarre. Pink Freud is
>> a nut case, but your behavior is no better. Take a look around, you're
>> not saving this group, you're spamming the hell out of it. It's
>> craziness - both of you. I really thought you were the saner of the two,
>> but now I'm not so sure.
>>
>> Also, it's funny - I have no association with the other crazy dude, but
>> because I make a point you don't like, you assume I'm part of his
>> attack?!? Nutty.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
>> news:47224fda$0$26403$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> You're the typical bleeding heart liberal wacko limp, coward. You may
>>> thank me later for saving this group.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>>>> inbox
>>>> will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his pathetic
>>>> "if
>>> I
>>>> don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and anyone who
>>>> disagrees
>>>> with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp" (sic) response.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:34:39 -0400, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Fred, you're wasting your time, trying to be reasonable with Bill. He's gone
> off the deep end over the last few months. He got into a flame war in
> another group and it followed him here. Not to say his nemeses aren't
> responsible for crapping on the group as well, but he can't let it go.
> Really, he thinks if he doesn't respond to EVERY troll post, the terrorists
> will win! And they know he will respond, because they are playing him like a
> violin. Many regulars have begged him to continue his efforts in reporting
> these folks to their ISP's, but to cease posting every reply, and he has
> ignored us. He things he has to destroy the group to save it. If he just
> stops, the trolls will stop.
Very true.
>
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4722c7c7$0$32516$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Bill:
>>
>> For the record, I have not visited this group in a couple of years (until
>> recently).
>>
>> The fact that you keep responding to Pink Freud is bizarre. Pink Freud is
>> a nut case, but your behavior is no better. Take a look around, you're
>> not saving this group, you're spamming the hell out of it. It's
>> craziness - both of you. I really thought you were the saner of the two,
>> but now I'm not so sure.
>>
>> Also, it's funny - I have no association with the other crazy dude, but
>> because I make a point you don't like, you assume I'm part of his
>> attack?!? Nutty.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
>> news:47224fda$0$26403$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> You're the typical bleeding heart liberal wacko limp, coward. You may
>>> thank me later for saving this group.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>>>> inbox
>>>> will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his pathetic
>>>> "if
>>> I
>>>> don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and anyone who
>>>> disagrees
>>>> with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp" (sic) response.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer
> Fred, you're wasting your time, trying to be reasonable with Bill. He's gone
> off the deep end over the last few months. He got into a flame war in
> another group and it followed him here. Not to say his nemeses aren't
> responsible for crapping on the group as well, but he can't let it go.
> Really, he thinks if he doesn't respond to EVERY troll post, the terrorists
> will win! And they know he will respond, because they are playing him like a
> violin. Many regulars have begged him to continue his efforts in reporting
> these folks to their ISP's, but to cease posting every reply, and he has
> ignored us. He things he has to destroy the group to save it. If he just
> stops, the trolls will stop.
Very true.
>
> "Fred Garvin" <fgarvin@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4722c7c7$0$32516$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Bill:
>>
>> For the record, I have not visited this group in a couple of years (until
>> recently).
>>
>> The fact that you keep responding to Pink Freud is bizarre. Pink Freud is
>> a nut case, but your behavior is no better. Take a look around, you're
>> not saving this group, you're spamming the hell out of it. It's
>> craziness - both of you. I really thought you were the saner of the two,
>> but now I'm not so sure.
>>
>> Also, it's funny - I have no association with the other crazy dude, but
>> because I make a point you don't like, you assume I'm part of his
>> attack?!? Nutty.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
>> news:47224fda$0$26403$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> You're the typical bleeding heart liberal wacko limp, coward. You may
>>> thank me later for saving this group.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4IWdnfcatctty7_anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Bill is simply unable to control himself. Just killfile him and your
>>>> inbox
>>>> will be clean. Thank God I did so, so I won't have to see his pathetic
>>>> "if
>>> I
>>>> don't respond to every troll, the terrorists win, and anyone who
>>>> disagrees
>>>> with me is a bleeding heart liberal wacko limp" (sic) response.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer


