Used or Rebuilt
02-24-2004, 07:03 PM
#21
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Re: Used or Rebuilt
As always, any additional clues to the current state of this engine would be
helpful.
It's either
A) a 1980 year used engine that was put into an 83 CJ7 in 1997 (absolutely
no idea of previous engine condition).
or
B) a rebuilt short block with a 1980 casting #.
There is about 40k miles that have been put on the engine using 32" tires so
It's probably about 10% more since this work so that would give me an idea
of what the engine should be like. Just a little.
You're right, the point is moot regarding warranty and I'm not looking for
any. This information could be useful should I like to upgrade to a 4.0L
head for instance (40k on a rebuild with good compression numbers says yes).
Plus, when you know what you got you know what you should expect like "Geez,
I only have 40k miles on this rebuild, this shouldn't be doing this".....
etc.
Given the compression, as Mike said, it's leaning towards B.
Thanks,
Bill
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:103nofcb48j23c9@corp.supernews.com...
> Personally, I think the pont is moot. The warranty, if there is one, is
not
> likely to extend to you.
>
> I would not be looking at what happened yesterday, I would only be
concerned
> with what I have to do to get to tomorrow. I understand the implications
to
> you, but those implications exist whether or not the warranty covers you.
> The warranty might make the pain slightly less, but I don't think you have
> any warranty protections here.
>
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:c1g2ll$1hnl4l$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on
my
> > web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> > regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a
used
> > engine.
> >
> > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
helpful.
It's either
A) a 1980 year used engine that was put into an 83 CJ7 in 1997 (absolutely
no idea of previous engine condition).
or
B) a rebuilt short block with a 1980 casting #.
There is about 40k miles that have been put on the engine using 32" tires so
It's probably about 10% more since this work so that would give me an idea
of what the engine should be like. Just a little.
You're right, the point is moot regarding warranty and I'm not looking for
any. This information could be useful should I like to upgrade to a 4.0L
head for instance (40k on a rebuild with good compression numbers says yes).
Plus, when you know what you got you know what you should expect like "Geez,
I only have 40k miles on this rebuild, this shouldn't be doing this".....
etc.
Given the compression, as Mike said, it's leaning towards B.
Thanks,
Bill
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:103nofcb48j23c9@corp.supernews.com...
> Personally, I think the pont is moot. The warranty, if there is one, is
not
> likely to extend to you.
>
> I would not be looking at what happened yesterday, I would only be
concerned
> with what I have to do to get to tomorrow. I understand the implications
to
> you, but those implications exist whether or not the warranty covers you.
> The warranty might make the pain slightly less, but I don't think you have
> any warranty protections here.
>
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:c1g2ll$1hnl4l$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on
my
> > web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> > regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a
used
> > engine.
> >
> > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
02-24-2004, 07:03 PM
#22
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Re: Used or Rebuilt
As always, any additional clues to the current state of this engine would be
helpful.
It's either
A) a 1980 year used engine that was put into an 83 CJ7 in 1997 (absolutely
no idea of previous engine condition).
or
B) a rebuilt short block with a 1980 casting #.
There is about 40k miles that have been put on the engine using 32" tires so
It's probably about 10% more since this work so that would give me an idea
of what the engine should be like. Just a little.
You're right, the point is moot regarding warranty and I'm not looking for
any. This information could be useful should I like to upgrade to a 4.0L
head for instance (40k on a rebuild with good compression numbers says yes).
Plus, when you know what you got you know what you should expect like "Geez,
I only have 40k miles on this rebuild, this shouldn't be doing this".....
etc.
Given the compression, as Mike said, it's leaning towards B.
Thanks,
Bill
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:103nofcb48j23c9@corp.supernews.com...
> Personally, I think the pont is moot. The warranty, if there is one, is
not
> likely to extend to you.
>
> I would not be looking at what happened yesterday, I would only be
concerned
> with what I have to do to get to tomorrow. I understand the implications
to
> you, but those implications exist whether or not the warranty covers you.
> The warranty might make the pain slightly less, but I don't think you have
> any warranty protections here.
>
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:c1g2ll$1hnl4l$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on
my
> > web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> > regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a
used
> > engine.
> >
> > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
helpful.
It's either
A) a 1980 year used engine that was put into an 83 CJ7 in 1997 (absolutely
no idea of previous engine condition).
or
B) a rebuilt short block with a 1980 casting #.
There is about 40k miles that have been put on the engine using 32" tires so
It's probably about 10% more since this work so that would give me an idea
of what the engine should be like. Just a little.
You're right, the point is moot regarding warranty and I'm not looking for
any. This information could be useful should I like to upgrade to a 4.0L
head for instance (40k on a rebuild with good compression numbers says yes).
Plus, when you know what you got you know what you should expect like "Geez,
I only have 40k miles on this rebuild, this shouldn't be doing this".....
etc.
Given the compression, as Mike said, it's leaning towards B.
Thanks,
Bill
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:103nofcb48j23c9@corp.supernews.com...
> Personally, I think the pont is moot. The warranty, if there is one, is
not
> likely to extend to you.
>
> I would not be looking at what happened yesterday, I would only be
concerned
> with what I have to do to get to tomorrow. I understand the implications
to
> you, but those implications exist whether or not the warranty covers you.
> The warranty might make the pain slightly less, but I don't think you have
> any warranty protections here.
>
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:c1g2ll$1hnl4l$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on
my
> > web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> > regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a
used
> > engine.
> >
> > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
02-24-2004, 08:32 PM
#23
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Re: Used or Rebuilt
Interesting invoices and they do say a lot Bill.
Sometimes problems happen because of work done in the past so it is good
to know what was done to give a better guess.
He paid $440 US for a 'complete' valve job, yet you find issues with
seals and valves. Has the engine been overheated since the valve job?
It 'sure' sounds like it to me...
That engine invoice looks like it 'could/should' be for a re and re
engine with things like new rings and bearings as needed using any block
made from 1974 to 1983 so I would expect a cast number to be within
those dates.
An R&R normally means new parts as needed and the list seems very
inclusive and normal for a 'used' R&R engine.
Too bad you got the 'light' block cast one, I have been told the older
one was stronger for some reason. I was at a Jeep machine shop today to
get my frame fixed and have to go back tomorrow. I will ask him the
difference, I meant to but forgot.
I did ask on the price for a head job and with new valve guides and
seals and a shave if needed it is $300.00 Canadian now.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
Sometimes problems happen because of work done in the past so it is good
to know what was done to give a better guess.
He paid $440 US for a 'complete' valve job, yet you find issues with
seals and valves. Has the engine been overheated since the valve job?
It 'sure' sounds like it to me...
That engine invoice looks like it 'could/should' be for a re and re
engine with things like new rings and bearings as needed using any block
made from 1974 to 1983 so I would expect a cast number to be within
those dates.
An R&R normally means new parts as needed and the list seems very
inclusive and normal for a 'used' R&R engine.
Too bad you got the 'light' block cast one, I have been told the older
one was stronger for some reason. I was at a Jeep machine shop today to
get my frame fixed and have to go back tomorrow. I will ask him the
difference, I meant to but forgot.
I did ask on the price for a head job and with new valve guides and
seals and a shave if needed it is $300.00 Canadian now.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
02-24-2004, 08:32 PM
#24
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Re: Used or Rebuilt
Interesting invoices and they do say a lot Bill.
Sometimes problems happen because of work done in the past so it is good
to know what was done to give a better guess.
He paid $440 US for a 'complete' valve job, yet you find issues with
seals and valves. Has the engine been overheated since the valve job?
It 'sure' sounds like it to me...
That engine invoice looks like it 'could/should' be for a re and re
engine with things like new rings and bearings as needed using any block
made from 1974 to 1983 so I would expect a cast number to be within
those dates.
An R&R normally means new parts as needed and the list seems very
inclusive and normal for a 'used' R&R engine.
Too bad you got the 'light' block cast one, I have been told the older
one was stronger for some reason. I was at a Jeep machine shop today to
get my frame fixed and have to go back tomorrow. I will ask him the
difference, I meant to but forgot.
I did ask on the price for a head job and with new valve guides and
seals and a shave if needed it is $300.00 Canadian now.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
Sometimes problems happen because of work done in the past so it is good
to know what was done to give a better guess.
He paid $440 US for a 'complete' valve job, yet you find issues with
seals and valves. Has the engine been overheated since the valve job?
It 'sure' sounds like it to me...
That engine invoice looks like it 'could/should' be for a re and re
engine with things like new rings and bearings as needed using any block
made from 1974 to 1983 so I would expect a cast number to be within
those dates.
An R&R normally means new parts as needed and the list seems very
inclusive and normal for a 'used' R&R engine.
Too bad you got the 'light' block cast one, I have been told the older
one was stronger for some reason. I was at a Jeep machine shop today to
get my frame fixed and have to go back tomorrow. I will ask him the
difference, I meant to but forgot.
I did ask on the price for a head job and with new valve guides and
seals and a shave if needed it is $300.00 Canadian now.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
02-24-2004, 08:32 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Used or Rebuilt
Interesting invoices and they do say a lot Bill.
Sometimes problems happen because of work done in the past so it is good
to know what was done to give a better guess.
He paid $440 US for a 'complete' valve job, yet you find issues with
seals and valves. Has the engine been overheated since the valve job?
It 'sure' sounds like it to me...
That engine invoice looks like it 'could/should' be for a re and re
engine with things like new rings and bearings as needed using any block
made from 1974 to 1983 so I would expect a cast number to be within
those dates.
An R&R normally means new parts as needed and the list seems very
inclusive and normal for a 'used' R&R engine.
Too bad you got the 'light' block cast one, I have been told the older
one was stronger for some reason. I was at a Jeep machine shop today to
get my frame fixed and have to go back tomorrow. I will ask him the
difference, I meant to but forgot.
I did ask on the price for a head job and with new valve guides and
seals and a shave if needed it is $300.00 Canadian now.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
Sometimes problems happen because of work done in the past so it is good
to know what was done to give a better guess.
He paid $440 US for a 'complete' valve job, yet you find issues with
seals and valves. Has the engine been overheated since the valve job?
It 'sure' sounds like it to me...
That engine invoice looks like it 'could/should' be for a re and re
engine with things like new rings and bearings as needed using any block
made from 1974 to 1983 so I would expect a cast number to be within
those dates.
An R&R normally means new parts as needed and the list seems very
inclusive and normal for a 'used' R&R engine.
Too bad you got the 'light' block cast one, I have been told the older
one was stronger for some reason. I was at a Jeep machine shop today to
get my frame fixed and have to go back tomorrow. I will ask him the
difference, I meant to but forgot.
I did ask on the price for a head job and with new valve guides and
seals and a shave if needed it is $300.00 Canadian now.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
02-25-2004, 02:10 PM
#26
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Re: Used or Rebuilt
Looks like an INVOICE for a rebuilt head (and kinda expensive at
that!) and an ESTIMATE for a used engine.
William Oliveri wrote:
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
that!) and an ESTIMATE for a used engine.
William Oliveri wrote:
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
02-25-2004, 02:10 PM
#27
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Re: Used or Rebuilt
Looks like an INVOICE for a rebuilt head (and kinda expensive at
that!) and an ESTIMATE for a used engine.
William Oliveri wrote:
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
that!) and an ESTIMATE for a used engine.
William Oliveri wrote:
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
02-25-2004, 02:10 PM
#28
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Posts: n/a
Re: Used or Rebuilt
Looks like an INVOICE for a rebuilt head (and kinda expensive at
that!) and an ESTIMATE for a used engine.
William Oliveri wrote:
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
that!) and an ESTIMATE for a used engine.
William Oliveri wrote:
> Ok, I scanned in the reciepts the former owner gave me and posted it on my
> web site. The first page is regarding the head and the second page is
> regarding the block. Does this look like a rebuild on the block or a used
> engine.
>
> http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/258work.pdf
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
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